LSU Swamp Thread

[wfschrec]

LOL. He has arguably the best OC in college football in Will Stein. He had Kenny Dillingham at ASU now before that. I would take either over Joe Brady, you apparently don't watch the Buffalo Bills very much.

His D Coordinator has been same since the day he was hired but that's Lanning's side of the ball.

Yeah his coordinators aren't top shelf? Please

Lanning was the D Coordinator under Kirby Smart as well.

Will Stein is still early in his career and is an up and comer but the best OC in football is debatable. Before Brady took over for the 2019 squad LSU's offense wasn't nearly as capable and the numbers prove it. Brady won a Broyles award where is Stein's? As for Brady's stint in the NFL:

"The Bills promoted Brady to full-time offensive coordinator following the season. Brady further refined his philosophy from the previous year, which he dubbed "Everybody Eats," resulting in a league-record 13 offensive players scored receiving touchdowns en route to the Bills' 13–4 record and an AFC Championship Game appearance in 2024. He was named a finalist for the AP NFL Assistant Coach of the Year Award that year, coming in fourth place."

Maybe you should watch more. I'm well aware of Lanning working under Smart and Smart worked under Saban ... again Smart had a great defensive mind in Lanning for his 2022 title you are giving me examples that further my point. UGA had Monken on the offensive side leave for the NFL and the offense has taken a few steps back under Bobo assistants are massive for success. I also never said Eddie O was better I said his assistants were .. the trophy case backs that up.

 

[HtownOrange]

After Woodward put the taxpayer on the line, Landry should ensure that than any large contract affecting the State budget is reviewed. I imagine top leaders in the legislature will be kept in the loop.

This whole scenario is one reason PE in college sports is not likely to be effective over time. While money flows into coffers, no one has an issue. When money has to be aid out of the coffers, everyone has a problem and wants to shift liability to someone else.

 

[FloridaCuse]

After Woodward put the taxpayer on the line, Landry should ensure that than any large contract affecting the State budget is reviewed. I imagine top leaders in the legislature will be kept in the loop.

This whole scenario is one reason PE in college sports is not likely to be effective over time. While money flows into coffers, no one has an issue. When money has to be aid out of the coffers, everyone has a problem and wants to shift liability to someone else.

PE?

 

[Ttk.gman2]

so then Gene Chizik is a great coach then too?

I am talking about coach O.

 

[Libero2]

Just out of curiosity how much total money would it take to hire Kirby Smart away from Georgia?

Both in terms of what you would have to pay Kirby and Georgia for a buyout? Because to me, that’s the kind of move this quote is calling for. And I would just like to see some real crazy happen in SEC chaos

 

[HtownOrange]

PE?

Private equity. PE likes to move fast and without oversight, the quick buck. Government is slow and ominous. Taxpayers should NOT be responsible for exorbitant and ridiculous contracts the HCs are getting with golden parachutes for unreal expectations. If boosters want to fund the exorbitant contract and ridiculous buyouts, that is on them, not the taxpayer.

PE would demand whatever will make them a buck, whereas government spending usually has many guidelines they must follow. Kind of like oil and water, they don't mix well.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Private equity. PE likes to move fast and without oversight, the quick buck. Government is slow and ominous. Taxpayers should NOT be responsible for exorbitant and ridiculous contracts the HCs are getting with golden parachutes for unreal expectations. If boosters want to fund the exorbitant contract and ridiculous buyouts, that is on them, not the taxpayer.

PE would demand whatever will make them a buck, whereas government spending usually has many guidelines they must follow. Kind of like oil and water, they don't mix well.

Oh yeah. Thanks. I had a brain lock for a moment. Should have known that.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

"Kelly's buyout was negotiated down to $27 million, about half of what he was owed. This was done through the violation of morality clauses in his contract.

"Louisiana governor Jeff Landry met with the LSU Board of Supervisors before Kelly's firing. Landry did not invite LSU athletic director Scott Woodward to this meeting."

Per SI article. It will be crazy if another school hires him. He doesn’t know what moral is

Gotta be more than having a girlfriend. Did he kill anyone else? Also, I would think that he would have enough dirt in the athletic program to burn it down, if he wanted to retaliate.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Interesting article on CNN about the LSU situation...

LSU Buyout

I was operating under the assumption that, prior to agreeing to these massive buyouts for coaches, there were formal agreements in place with the boosters and that it was boosters who would be footing the bill for all these buyouts.

IF the article is accurate, I was clearly mistaken.

If, in fact, the taxpayers are on the hook for this, that is criminal.

As an aside, when I bought my son his student season tix for hoops and football this year, I noticed that, in addition to the price of the ticket, there was a donation of $50.

I honestly don't know if that was there in prior years or not.

 

[Oakland]

Interesting article on CNN about the LSU situation...

LSU Buyout

I was operating under the assumption that, prior to agreeing to these massive buyouts for coaches, there were formal agreements in place with the boosters and that it was boosters who would be footing the bill for all these buyouts.

IF the article is accurate, I was clearly mistaken.

If, in fact, the taxpayers are on the hook for this, that is criminal.

As an aside, when I bought my son his student season tix for hoops and football this year, I noticed that, in addition to the price of the ticket, there was a donation of $50.

I honestly don't know if that was there in prior years or not.

I thought schools only fire coaches with big buyouts if boosters cover the cost.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I thought schools only fire coaches with big buyouts if boosters cover the cost.

That is what I thought also.

However, if you read the article and if the article is accurate, that is clearly not the case, at least in the LSU situation.

 

[domedog]

Here's the real deal from my LSU season ticket nephew who is very well informed after I told what is going on there is crazy:

Not so much crazy, but uncomfortable due to a coaching change, yes. Anytime that happens there is uneasiness to be expected, but Governor Elmer Fudd took it to the next level, when he should have handled it behind closed doors. But he's a coonass, and this is what they do, they pontificate and speak very loudly, and when they get emotional, they are unable to read the room, it just comes out.

A little context that is being undersold in the national media.

The prior LSU President took the same role at Rutgers and he left around June of this year to take that role, so LSU is currently without a President. Given that the State-run University Presidents for each of the 5 to 7 Louisiana System Universities are appointed by a committee, it takes about 1/2 year to run the gamut of identifying candidates, vetting, interviewing, and subsequently hiring a candidate. The new President will be announced on November 4 and will officially take seat on January 1, 2026. It's not a coincidence that all of this is taking place at this time (I don't think anyone saw the season tanking this bad, but there were signs last year that Kelly was not a good fit and was not going to get LSU to any type of Championship. He was the right guy to stabilize the Program, given what Ed Orgeron left it as, but has simply phoned it in somewhere around year 2).

Nonetheless, when there is no University President, the Governor acts as said President until there is one. The chain of command is Governor -> University President -> Board of Supervisors -> Athletic Director -> Football (or any sport) Coach.

So AD Scoot Woodward is canned last night. So, they now need a President, an AD, and a Football Coach.

It's been widely known that the McNeese State President will get the LSU President job so that will be one domino. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like they were going to can the AD first, and let the new President hire an AD (sounds like they have it down to a short list, so there were some backdoor things happening already, and then they would tell Kelly to make staff changes on offense (essentially giving him one last chance), but that display Saturday night in Tiger Stadium pushed the Kelly firing to Nuclear ASAP. BTW, Kelly was verry confrontational and typically egotistic, in that Sunday morning meeting, so they ejected him. LSU will not be paying the full $52M buyout that is being mentioned. They are exercising a morality clause in the contract and will probably settle for around 1/2 that with BK. Kelly had some "other" LSU specific issues outside the ones from Notre Dame.

As far as AD (I've heard the McNeese State AD, and the UGA AD (who is from Hammond, La.).

There will be a committee that will hire the new football coach, with the President involved as well. The Governor will not be involved moving forward. And if they want to pay $150M, they will pay that, so as, to be competitive. This is just a bunch of pontificating by the Governor.

Now, I do agree with the Governor, that when it comes to buyouts, his position is the taxpayer should not foot the bill for a State Institution. But that has never happened in any of the fired coaches in the past. Either a private donor(s) or the Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF is a private entity) foots that bill. So, the Governor jumped the shark, basically all he wants is verbiage put into the contract that protects the University and the State (there was none of that in the BK contract, Woodward screwed up). I do agree with him that coach's contracts are absurd and getting worse, but as you say, it's the price of doing business and trying to field a competitive team.

Long story short, LSU is getting blasted in the media right now, but this will pass in a week or so. They will have a President on November 4, a coach sometime in early to mid-December (depends on who and if they are in the Playoffs), and an AD somewhere around then or slightly after.

Am sorry to hear about Collins, he's a good kid, but maybe he maxed out his ability in high school (it happens) and would benefit from going to a smaller school. LSU and Syracuse may compete for the fewest wins this year.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Will Stein is still early in his career and is an up and comer but the best OC in football is debatable. Before Brady took over for the 2019 squad LSU's offense wasn't nearly as capable and the numbers prove it. Brady won a Broyles award where is Stein's? As for Brady's stint in the NFL:

"The Bills promoted Brady to full-time offensive coordinator following the season. Brady further refined his philosophy from the previous year, which he dubbed "Everybody Eats," resulting in a league-record 13 offensive players scored receiving touchdowns en route to the Bills' 13–4 record and an AFC Championship Game appearance in 2024. He was named a finalist for the AP NFL Assistant Coach of the Year Award that year, coming in fourth place."

Maybe you should watch more. I'm well aware of Lanning working under Smart and Smart worked under Saban ... again Smart had a great defensive mind in Lanning for his 2022 title you are giving me examples that further my point. UGA had Monken on the offensive side leave for the NFL and the offense has taken a few steps back under Bobo assistants are massive for success. I also never said Eddie O was better I said his assistants were .. the trophy case backs that up.

How was Brady's offense in Carolina? I will wait for your response. Think Josh Allen and probably the best O line on football last year may have helped.

 

[wfschrec]

How was Brady's offense in Carolina? I will wait for your response. Think Josh Allen and probably the best O line on football last year may have helped.

A.) you brought up the Bills
B.) Carolina has no talent at all no one has won there in a decade so that is your gotcha LOL
C.) Brady won a Broyles and was considered for a coordinator of the year award in the NFL so I don't know what to tell you.
D.) I never said Eddie O was better than Lanning I said he had better coordinators

You can continue down this road knock yourself out but the turnaround at LSU spoke for itself. Ryan Day literally brought in Kelly and Knowles to win a title, Dabo hasn't won a title since he lost Venables ... they are the cog that makes the wheel turn. Fun fact Teddy Bridgewater had the best year of his career under Brady, dude must really be a bad coach and he is doing wonders for James Cook too ..

 

[Oakland]

That is what I thought also.

However, if you read the article and if the article is accurate, that is clearly not the case, at least in the LSU situation.

The funny, ironic thing about these firings and subsequent huge buyouts is that it triggers a wave of new gigantic contracts (Rhule, Cignetti, etc.) that set the stage for the next round of huge buyouts.

BTW, I saw that LSU is also on the hook for $6 mil owned to Woodward. Remember when $6 mil was a lot of money - got to luv it!

 

[orangeinohio]

Gotta be more than having a girlfriend. Did he kill anyone else? Also, I would think that he would have enough dirt in the athletic program to burn it down, if he wanted to retaliate.

Seems like a pretty big penalty for an LSU affair.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Here's the real deal from my LSU season ticket nephew who is very well informed after I told what is going on there is crazy:

Not so much crazy, but uncomfortable due to a coaching change, yes. Anytime that happens there is uneasiness to be expected, but Governor Elmer Fudd took it to the next level, when he should have handled it behind closed doors. But he's a coonass, and this is what they do, they pontificate and speak very loudly, and when they get emotional, they are unable to read the room, it just comes out.

A little context that is being undersold in the national media.

The prior LSU President took the same role at Rutgers and he left around June of this year to take that role, so LSU is currently without a President. Given that the State-run University Presidents for each of the 5 to 7 Louisiana System Universities are appointed by a committee, it takes about 1/2 year to run the gamut of identifying candidates, vetting, interviewing, and subsequently hiring a candidate. The new President will be announced on November 4 and will officially take seat on January 1, 2026. It's not a coincidence that all of this is taking place at this time (I don't think anyone saw the season tanking this bad, but there were signs last year that Kelly was not a good fit and was not going to get LSU to any type of Championship. He was the right guy to stabilize the Program, given what Ed Orgeron left it as, but has simply phoned it in somewhere around year 2).

Nonetheless, when there is no University President, the Governor acts as said President until there is one. The chain of command is Governor -> University President -> Board of Supervisors -> Athletic Director -> Football (or any sport) Coach.

So AD Scoot Woodward is canned last night. So, they now need a President, an AD, and a Football Coach.

It's been widely known that the McNeese State President will get the LSU President job so that will be one domino. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like they were going to can the AD first, and let the new President hire an AD (sounds like they have it down to a short list, so there were some backdoor things happening already, and then they would tell Kelly to make staff changes on offense (essentially giving him one last chance), but that display Saturday night in Tiger Stadium pushed the Kelly firing to Nuclear ASAP. BTW, Kelly was verry confrontational and typically egotistic, in that Sunday morning meeting, so they ejected him. LSU will not be paying the full $52M buyout that is being mentioned. They are exercising a morality clause in the contract and will probably settle for around 1/2 that with BK. Kelly had some "other" LSU specific issues outside the ones from Notre Dame.

As far as AD (I've heard the McNeese State AD, and the UGA AD (who is from Hammond, La.).

There will be a committee that will hire the new football coach, with the President involved as well. The Governor will not be involved moving forward. And if they want to pay $150M, they will pay that, so as, to be competitive. This is just a bunch of pontificating by the Governor.

Now, I do agree with the Governor, that when it comes to buyouts, his position is the taxpayer should not foot the bill for a State Institution. But that has never happened in any of the fired coaches in the past. Either a private donor(s) or the Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF is a private entity) foots that bill. So, the Governor jumped the shark, basically all he wants is verbiage put into the contract that protects the University and the State (there was none of that in the BK contract, Woodward screwed up). I do agree with him that coach's contracts are absurd and getting worse, but as you say, it's the price of doing business and trying to field a competitive team.

Long story short, LSU is getting blasted in the media right now, but this will pass in a week or so. They will have a President on November 4, a coach sometime in early to mid-December (depends on who and if they are in the Playoffs), and an AD somewhere around then or slightly after.

Am sorry to hear about Collins, he's a good kid, but maybe he maxed out his ability in high school (it happens) and would benefit from going to a smaller school. LSU and Syracuse may compete for the fewest wins this year.

Appreciate the context and the alternate POV but my favorite part of the post is “coona$$”.

That was a new word for me.