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Luke Carney

I haven't and won't watch Carney's high school highlights, but if he looks of the secondary even once or does a check down in even one clip...I want him on the field as our QB1.
he sure does, pump fakes, look offs, scans the field in the pocket and when scrambling, hitting secondary and tertiary receiving options. I finally had to watch them and see what the hype was. It seems legit. Again the only concern is can he do it vs. power 4 teams. I think so.
 
he sure does, pump fakes, look offs, scans the field in the pocket and when scrambling, hitting secondary and tertiary receiving options. I finally had to watch them and see what the hype was. It seems legit. Again the only concern is can he do it vs. power 4 teams. I think so.
Obviously a different level, but definitely skills Rickie doesn’t possess or maybe he just isn’t comfortable yet. Either way, I’d love to see what Carney has.
 
It is a highlight tape though. Not seeing the interceptions, incomplete passes, or sacks. Let's see some whole game tapes for Carney.

Collins has had a few nice passes. Mix in a few nice runs and you can start to put together his highlight tape. Would be kind of misleading without all the other bad plays. Edit: One Exists:

OMG
 
I think people take fran's 'loyalty' remarks as he's a little too locked in on Rickie, or was locked in on Steve

Fran is loyal, but he's also no dummy. He wants to win football games. If Luke Carney gives him a better chance to win than Rickie, he's going to play Luke.

The fact that we haven't seen Luke should tell you he's not ready.
Yeah he has a great HS track record, but this is D1 Football. Rickie is likely further along and has a better grasp on our playbook than Luke does. That doesn't mean I love what I see from Rickie... but the back up QB is at their most popular when the starter underperforms

How many of us called for Rickie when Angeli struggled against UConn? Would you make those same comments with hindsight?

I think Luke has the tools to be a great QB.. but that doesn't mean he's our best option right now

Establish the run, design quick and winnable throws, don't turn the ball over, and prevent redzone trips. There's a lot we can improve on no matter who the QB is, that will make their life easier

I say all this as someone who wanted to see Luke during the Duke and SMU games.
Sorry, this is wishful thinking, speculation and rationalization. We really don’t know how limited Fran is by his “loyalty” or what his decision making process is.
We don’t know if Carney is ready or not, but we have seen enough of Collins to know he is not the answer.
 
All I can say is if Carney "isn't ready" and yet he beat out Jakhari, then what the heck is going on with QB room? Someone shat the bed something fierce
To be fair, QB is the most important position in sports and until about 23 months ago, it was "impossible" to recruit effectively to Syracuse.

We could only get guys that most P4 schools were at best ambivalent about. For instance, we were really excited about CDRW, because he was 4 stars out of high school, but he had already washed out at a peer school. Same thing with Schrader, who worked out really well, but had a similar recruiting pedigree.

It might be that Williams has similar problems reading the defense, delivering passes, etc. We don't really know what we have, because we don't get to see the team practice. This is why we have to put some trust in the coaching staff that they understand what they have.

As has been pointed out numerous times... We went out and recruited Angeli for a reason. Brown seems like a miracle worker in recruiting, but QBs are super hard to predict.

On the positive side of Brown's QB recruiting ledger, he has McCord and Angeli, on the negative side Collins, and then a bunch of freshman incompletes. He inherited Williams and then recruited over him two seasons in a row.
 
On the positive side of Brown's QB recruiting ledger, he has McCord and Angeli, on the negative side Collins, and then a bunch of freshman incompletes. He inherited Williams and then recruited over him two seasons in a row.

Great perspective. Fran has gone 2 out of 3 on QBs (and I'm not giving up on Rickie) and we recruit at a different level now. This is how far we've come in my mind - Would I be shocked next year to hear Arch Manning is thinking about transferring to SU to play for Fran/Nixon after he's run out of Austin? Not at all.

This is just a bump in the road.
 
Great perspective. Fran has gone 2 out of 3 on QBs (and I'm not giving up on Rickie) and we recruit at a different level now. This is how far we've come in my mind - Would I be shocked next year to hear Arch Manning is thinking about transferring to SU to play for Fran/Nixon after he's run out of Austin? Not at all.

This is just a bump in the road.
For real. Fran has our 1st 5 Star player in this century coming to Cuse next year. Guess what position.

Ding ding ding. Wide Receiver. That's the guy that catches the ball thrown by the Quarterback for all the experts here.

Goes to HS down the road from Miami and had offers from every CFP likely team next year and from every team that is expected to have every likely Heisman candidate next year.

Why Syracuse then? because they trust the Fran Brown / Nixon Offense. They know they're going to get on the field with a QB that can sling it and they'll catch a ton of balls and have a shot at the league.
 
They didn’t know if dungey was ready or not… ( he was ).
Anyone’s first start. Whether they are highly rated freshman, a junior that’s been in your system, you truly don’t know if anyone is ready until you give them their first start
 
Sorry, this is wishful thinking, speculation and rationalization. We really don’t know how limited Fran is by his “loyalty” or what his decision making process is.
We don’t know if Carney is ready or not, but we have seen enough of Collins to know he is not the answer.

okay so to your point... WE don't know if Carney is ready or not. The staff knows. Let's say he's not and let's say he's behind Rickie... what's the answer? You don't play Carney for the hell of it. You can't tank for draft picks.

NIL money plays a role I am sure... but I trust Fran that he's playing the best QB possible at this moment. I just hope Rickie turns it around... but I am not opposed to Carney if it makes sense
 
At this point I hope Fran starts Carney at QB the last three games of the season to get him some experience and save his redshirt year.

Collins will leave if he is benched and Carney can battle Angeli for the starting job in 2026. If Angeli wins the job we will have an experienced backup QB for two years and then Carneyntakes the reigns in 2028.
 
Best QB room in years


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At this point I hope Fran starts Carney at QB the last three games of the season to get him some experience and save his redshirt year.

Collins will leave if he is benched and Carney can battle Angeli for the starting job in 2026. If Angeli wins the job we will have an experienced backup QB for two years and then Carneyntakes the reigns in 2028.
Feels like Collins is leaving anyway unless he performs a miracle and turns his game around.
 
Feels like Collins is leaving anyway unless he performs a miracle and turns his game around.

I'd expect Jakhari Williams to depart, as well.

Given how some of these guys enroll early / complete coursework over the summer, it wouldn't be unprecedented for a guy like Williams to graduate [or be close to it] after two full years, and a couple of summers. Take his degree and years of eligibility to greener pastures for an opportunity to play, probably down south, at a lower level.
 
I keep repeating this, but seems relevant again here. Recruiting QBs is a crapshoot -- even at blue chip factories. That's because QB prospects are often evaluted based upon attributes, projecting what they COULD turn into. These guys are often the best athletes on the field in HS, so they dominate, and that's why they are rated highly.

But what the "measureables" don't measure are things like how quickly the QB processes information on the field, whether they get rattled when facing live pass rush, refinement in terms of how they use their eyes / pump fakes to manipulate the secondary, instincts for playmaking, etc. Instead, what often gets talked about is arm strength, athleticism, etc. That's how a guy like DJ Uaigileilei was rated a 5-star, when he had a poor feel for the game. He had all the tools, but not the intangibles.

Even at factories, it's a crapshoot. Teams like Ohio State get highly rated 4- and 5-star QB recruits EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Most of them don't pan out meaningfully. Some of that is attributable to opportunity, but even when some of those guys transfer, they don't do much. For every Joe Burrow, there are a bunch of examples of guys who don't do much at the new school.

A guy like Collins isn't a "bad" QB prospect, and he was a good gamble for us to roll the dice on. He's a smart, hardworking kid. He was the 10th highest rated pocket passing QB in his class. He committed to Purdue, before shifting to LSU. He has a lot of the right tools / attributes, but is lacking in other ways. His footwork and mechanics are unrefined. He locks onto his primary receiver and doesn't go through progressions, enabling defenses to jump throws [and resulting in higher number of interceptions]. He's a good athlete and can run, but his lack of instincts / feel for the QB position inhibit him here, as well, since it seems like he's a beat late when he elects to take off.

Players like Dungey and Shrader were instinctive playmakers, but lacked some important measureables relative to arm talent. But they made up for it by making plays in other ways -- extending a play on the move to create a throwing lane or allow a receiver to get open, being elusive as hell, being such strong running threats, etc. THAT'S why they were exceptional college QBs, despite not necessarily having NFL-caliber throwing talent. Collins lacks that type of playmaking apptitude -- as a passer OR as a runner.

I don't know if we've seen "enough" to fully write Collins off -- although I think that we probably have seen enough to not expect significant improvement. I think he is what he is at this stage. That doesn't mean that he won't improve with more experience, or be a viable starter somewhere else [a la Morgan / CDRW]. But I don't expect him to magically turn things around this year, he just lacks the instincts to be a high end P4 starter.

I also have no idea whether Carney's readiness means that he'd be an upgrade, or would similarly struggle. Just have to trust the coaches here. I don't necessarily resonate with the "it can't get any worse" sentiment -- it absolutely could, if Carney is a downgrade from Collins, at this point on his developmental curve. Maybe that's why the coaches aren't talking about a change.

But if they do make the change, it probably means that they think he is at least on par with Collins, and that they know Collins won't give the team the best chance to be successful.
There’s a reason the nfl spends so much time testing the brains of qbs as much as arm strength
 
I'd expect Jakhari Williams to depart, as well.

Given how some of these guys enroll early / complete coursework over the summer, it wouldn't be unprecedented for a guy like Williams to graduate [or be close to it] after two full years, and a couple of summers. Take his degree and years of eligibility to greener pastures for an opportunity to play, probably down south, at a lower level.
Makes sense. Plenty of FBS schools in Georgia for Williams to land at.
 

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