Marrone or Petrino?

[MaxwellCuse]

Been to the Mid-East a few times...so, yes I know that is almost the norm for the culture there.

So, are their any hot coaching prospects in Dubai?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I really hope we don't have to go down the road of a coaching change. But if we do, hiring the right guy won't necessarily mean as long of a road as you describe. Just look at the team we played on Saturday. He's in his 2nd year, look at the positive change already.

Yup, there are certain things this board believes -

1. You have to have two running backs, one of which is a big lumbering guy and the other of which is a smaller fast guy.
2. You can only score lots of points in video games, not real life.
3. All head coaching changes are a disaster.

Let's look at the variables. If recruiting has improved we don't need to fear turnover so much . We seem to be in agreement that we're finally running the right offensive system for the Dome. We seem to be in agreement that we're running the right type of system on defense.

So if those things are going right, but we have the wrong coaches and we hire better ones, hopefully they're smart enough to keep those things going right and smarter, better coaching pays off. Doesn't sound like nearly the disaster some people portray it as.

 

[Louie&Bouie]

people make mistakes. lets be part of his redemption story. its the american way.

Let's not. Bobby Petrino is scum. And his behavior has been repeated at multiple stops. No, I take that back...his behavior continues to worsen at each stop he makes.

 

[SWC75]

I could handle Tressell but not Petrino. And I haven't given up on Marrone yet.

 

[AirForceOrange]

So, are their any hot coaching prospects in Dubai?

Can't speak for Dubai...only been to Saudi Arabia and Qatar. In those two places, I would say NO!

 

[dollarbill44]

Yup, there are certain things this board believes -

1. You have to have two running backs, one of which is a big lumbering guy and the other of which is a smaller fast guy.
2. You can only score lots of points in video games, not real life.
3. All head coaching changes are a disaster.

Let's look at the variables. If recruiting has improved we don't need to fear turnover so much . We seem to be in agreement that we're finally running the right offensive system for the Dome. We seem to be in agreement that we're running the right type of system on defense.

So if those things are going right, but we have the wrong coaches and we hire better ones, hopefully they're smart enough to keep those things going right and smarter, better coaching pays off. Doesn't sound like nearly the disaster some people portray it as.

Let's play this game a little bit. When you hire a new HC, he will fire most, if not all of the current coaching staff, which also causes players to transfer - the exact number varies, but there will be attrition. We will invariably get new systems on offense and defense. He likely will have a different outlook on recruiting, i.e. not focusing on the NYC/LI area where our focus has been the last 3 years, which could jeopardize the commitments of the big recruits in this class. For example, if it's Tressel, he will likely not target NYC/LI right away, but will go with what he knows - Ohio. The new coaching staff will also need to get acquainted with the HS coaches in our recruiting focus region.I emphasize "staff" because the HC is a small part in the recruiting.

It's not as simple as just upgrading the coaching staff while continuing with what is in place. It's not an SEC school where coaches are more interchangeable because there is so much talent everywhere. There is a large amount of upheaval inherent in a HC change at a school like SU.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

There is a large amount of upheaval inherent in a HC change at a school like SU.

We can agree to disagree. I'm not convinced a change necessitates upheaval, or that upheaval is inherently bad.

 

[dollarbill44]

We can agree to disagree. I'm not convinced a change necessitates upheaval, or that upheaval is inherently bad.

I will definitely agree with you that upheaval can be a good thing, such as when things are very bad and stagnant. But in a case where a significant amount of positive progress has been made, I think it is bad.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

who the cares about baggage. what, do you guys think no SU coach has ever slammed a co-ed? Please. get over yourselves.

Your hiring petrino because he runs great offenses and wins. Dougie Marrone can stay on and teach petrino life skills all day. Problem solved.

We are investing millions of dollars into the program. We deserve better than this.

if dougie were a stock, we'd all be shorting him right now.

You are 100% right.

Screw the fact that the primary goal of college is to prepare people for the rest of their lives.

Screw integrity or teaching people to do things the right way.

Doug Marrone? Who's He?
New Coach cheats and lies about it? Who cares?
New coach is married and hired a girl he was banging? So What?
New coach is all of the above? Big Deal! Big !

Just win football games baby 'cause that is what college life is all about and 'cause Tristan deserves better.

Tristan, I haven't seen your name go up on the side of any of the new athletic facilities.

What exactly are they doing with the millions that you have "invested into the program" that makes you feel the program "owes" you so much?

 

[billorange44]

who the cares about baggage. what, do you guys think no SU coach has ever slammed a co-ed? Please. get over yourselves.

Your hiring petrino because he runs great offenses and wins. Dougie Marrone can stay on and teach petrino life skills all day. Problem solved.

We are investing millions of dollars into the program. We deserve better than this.

if dougie were a stock, we'd all be shorting him right now.

As long as you don't care about baggage, why don't we just hire last years Penn State coaching staff. We may even be able to get Jerry Sandusky to do some consulting by phone from crowbar hotel. What do you think?

 

[Upstate]

 

[IthacaMatt]

I really hope we don't have to go down the road of a coaching change. But if we do, hiring the right guy won't necessarily mean as long of a road as you describe. Just look at the team we played on Saturday. He's in his 2nd year, look at the positive change already.

I hope the positives from the first couple games show their face again starting next Friday. And the negatives from those games are fixed, in some cases just to the point of not being a disaster (like punt return coverage). And that it means the wins start now. But if this season spirals out of control and we have to make the move, we really need to get the next hire right. It's a much more attractive job than it was in the past given conference affiliation, $, etc.

Chip, I totally agree. We see other teams hire a new coach and start winning games within a year or two. I don't get the major overhaul that people think is "required". Yes, our facilities are not that great compared to elite BCS programs, and we need our football version the Melo Center, but come on, MAC teams replace their best coaches every year or two, and those teams plug in a new guy and keep on winning. Why the hell can't we at least hire a coach who can teach guys how to block and tackle? I understand a deficit at skills positions, where elite players make the most difference. But you can plug a lot of big beefy guys into an offensive or defensive line and teach them to block and tackle.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Let's not. Bobby Petrino is scum. And his behavior has been repeated at multiple stops. No, I take that back...his behavior continues to worsen at each stop he makes.

Because he cheated on his wife with a cute woman at work? Really, that makes him "scum"? You realize that half of all marriages end in divorce, right? That seems like a pretty harsh judgment. I look at what the person does at work, not on their leisure hours.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You are 100% right.

Screw the fact that the primary goal of college is to prepare people for the rest of their lives.

Screw integrity or teaching people to do things the right way.

Doug Marrone? Who's He?
New Coach cheats and lies about it? Who cares?
New coach is married and hired a girl he was banging? So What?
New coach is all of the above? Big Deal! Big !

Just win football games baby 'cause that is what college life is all about and 'cause Tristan deserves better.

Tristan, I haven't seen your name go up on the side of any of the new athletic facilities.

What exactly are they doing with the millions that you have "invested into the program" that makes you feel the program "owes" you so much?

Sorry, Forza, but we should be in the Ivy league and forget about the ACC if you think that development of people for life is the primary goal of a football program like ours.

 

[Chip]

Chip, I totally agree. We see other teams hire a new coach and start winning games within a year or two. I don't get the major overhaul that people think is "required". Yes, our facilities are not that great compared to elite BCS programs, and we need our football version the Melo Center, but come on, MAC teams replace their best coaches every year or two, and those teams plug in a new guy and keep on winning. Why the hell can't we at least hire a coach who can teach guys how to block and tackle? I understand a deficit at skills positions, where elite players make the most difference. But you can plug a lot of big beefy guys into an offensive or defensive line and teach them to block and tackle.

And if our talent level, size, athleticism, depth really have improved as everyone seems to agree with, it would just make it easier on the next coach. Provided we hire someone who knows what he's doing.

Again, I hope we don't have to fire Marrone. We'll know a lot more in 4 weeks.

 

[Louie&Bouie]

Because he cheated on his wife with a cute woman at work? Really, that makes him "scum"? You realize that half of all marriages end in divorce, right? That seems like a pretty harsh judgment. I look at what the person does at work, not on their leisure hours.

Oh please. Give me a break. I could care less about who he bangs, where, or why.

He has left three "programs" an absolute mess. One of them in the middle of the year. One of them 7 months after signing a 10-year, $25 million contract. And the mess at Arkansas. He's a self-serving jerk-off. I wouldn't want my son learning how to make it through life on either the field or in the workplace from him.

Sorry.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Sorry, Forza, but we should be in the Ivy league and forget about the ACC if you think that development of people for life is the primary goal of a football program like ours.

I'm not expecting Moses but Petrino and Tressel are the worst of the worst.

No amount of winning is worth selling your soul to hire one of those two guys, especially Petrino.

The rest was really about Tristan.

As far as I know, there is only one board member who has really donated enough to the university to merit "deserving" anything and it ain't Tristan.

I am still waiting for him to be named top 40 under 40...

 

[orange79]

Because he cheated on his wife with a cute woman at work? Really, that makes him "scum"? You realize that half of all marriages end in divorce, right? That seems like a pretty harsh judgment. I look at what the person does at work, not on their leisure hours.

Then you'd be OK hiring Jerry Sandusky? Silly, silly statement. Apparently, you can be a total as long as you win games.

 

[SWC75]

I will definitely agree with you that upheaval can be a good thing, such as when things are very bad and stagnant. But in a case where a significant amount of positive progress has been made, I think it is bad.

A coaching change is a heart transplant. You don't have one unless you really need it.

 

[javadoc]

I guess all you guys would never ever hire Rick Pitino if he was every available and the only job he'd want is to follow Jimmy as HC of the Orange. Moral police, please go away.

Immoral (or amoral) shells, please go away.

I would stop watching and supporting the football team/program tomorrow if they hired Petrino.