McCord

[sutomcat]

I think you proved my point more than yours. Throw out those non P5 teams. Then the rest of those defenses really aren’t scaring anyone. I assume next year we’ll face 4-5 top ,

The point of my post was Syracuse played 6 top 50 defenses in 2024. Not the zero you were thinking.

But I think it is interesting to see how the defenses we face in 2025 compare with who we faced in 2024.

So I looked at the data and this is what I found. The defense ranks come from total defense for 2024 from the link I have already provided. I ignored Holy Cross and Colgate as both are not FBS. Considering those two a wash.

I will point out that at least two schools on the schedule, Miami and Clemson, have already replaced their DC for 2025. That usually results in some short term setbacks as teams adjust to a new system/new terminology.

2024 Schedule/Total Defense Rank
Ohio (10)
GT (42)
Stanford (107)
Holy Cross
@UNLV (49)
@NC State (88)
@Pitt (81)
VT (57)
@BC (55)
@Cal (36)
UConn (46)
Miami (27)
Washington State (neutral) (119)

Total 717/12 = average rank of 59.75

2025 Schedule/Total Defense Rank
Tennessee (neutral) (7)
UConn (46)
Colgate
Clemson (69)
@GT (42)
@Miami (27)
@SMU (26)
BC (55)
Duke (58)
UNC (72)
Pitt (81)
@ND (8)

Total 491/11 = average rank of 44.63

So you are wrong about SU facing 4-5 top 25 defenses based on the 2024 data. But UM and SMU were not far from that level.

Bottom line, if the defenses perform in 2025 like they did in 2024, it should be tougher for Syracuse to score and move the ball. There is no really awful defense on the schedule and UT and ND, if they perform to the same level as 2024, are going to be really tough.

The toughest thing to me is that all four gams against top 30 defenses are going to be on the road UT technically is a neutral site but we all know they are going to take over that stadium in Atlanta. It will be louder and more nasty than playing at SMU or UM for sure.

 

[SuFTW]

but...you do realize how many 23 year old professional athletes making millions went broke ?
riches to rags. tale as old as time.

Do you think Kyle would waste his money? I don’t.

 

[Red2003]

The point of my post was Syracuse played 6 top 50 defenses in 2024. Not the zero you were thinking.

But I think it is interesting to see how the defenses we face in 2025 compare with who we faced in 2024.

So I looked at the data and this is what I found. The defense ranks come from total defense for 2024 from the link I have already provided. I ignored Holy Cross and Colgate as both are not FBS. Considering those two a wash.

I will point out that at least two schools on the schedule, Miami and Clemson, have already replaced their DC for 2025. That usually results in some short term setbacks as teams adjust to a new system/new terminology.

2024 Schedule/Total Defense Rank
Ohio (10)
GT (42)
Stanford (107)
Holy Cross
@UNLV (49)
@NC State (88)
@Pitt (81)
VT (57)
@BC (55)
@Cal (36)
UConn (46)
Miami (27)
Washington State (neutral) (119)

Total 717/12 = average rank of 59.75

2025 Schedule/Total Defense Rank
Tennessee (neutral) (7)
UConn (46)
Colgate
Clemson (69)
@GT (42)
@Miami (27)
@SMU (26)
BC (55)
Duke (58)
UNC (72)
Pitt (81)
@ND (8)

Total 491/11 = average rank of 44.63

So you are wrong about SU facing 4-5 top 25 defenses based on the 2024 data. But UM and SMU were not far from that level.

Bottom line, if the defenses perform in 2025 like they did in 2024, it should be tougher for Syracuse to score and move the ball. There is no really awful defense on the schedule and UT and ND, if they perform to the same level as 2024, are going to be really tough.

The toughest thing to me is that all four gams against top 30 defenses are going to be on the road UT technically is a neutral site but we all know they are going to take over that stadium in Atlanta. It will be louder and more nasty than playing at SMU or UM for sure.

Thanks for this. I would Take out Ohio at 10. They are not playing P4 schedule. Figured ND and Tenn would be up there in top 10.

 

[ChrisCourt]

The point of my post was Syracuse played 6 top 50 defenses in 2024. Not the zero you were thinking.

But I think it is interesting to see how the defenses we face in 2025 compare with who we faced in 2024.

So I looked at the data and this is what I found. The defense ranks come from total defense for 2024 from the link I have already provided. I ignored Holy Cross and Colgate as both are not FBS. Considering those two a wash.

I will point out that at least two schools on the schedule, Miami and Clemson, have already replaced their DC for 2025. That usually results in some short term setbacks as teams adjust to a new system/new terminology.

2024 Schedule/Total Defense Rank
Ohio (10)
GT (42)
Stanford (107)
Holy Cross
@UNLV (49)
@NC State (88)
@Pitt (81)
VT (57)
@BC (55)
@Cal (36)
UConn (46)
Miami (27)
Washington State (neutral) (119)

Total 717/12 = average rank of 59.75

2025 Schedule/Total Defense Rank
Tennessee (neutral) (7)
UConn (46)
Colgate
Clemson (69)
@GT (42)
@Miami (27)
@SMU (26)
BC (55)
Duke (58)
UNC (72)
Pitt (81)
@ND (8)

Total 491/11 = average rank of 44.63

So you are wrong about SU facing 4-5 top 25 defenses based on the 2024 data. But UM and SMU were not far from that level.

Bottom line, if the defenses perform in 2025 like they did in 2024, it should be tougher for Syracuse to score and move the ball. There is no really awful defense on the schedule and UT and ND, if they perform to the same level as 2024, are going to be really tough.

The toughest thing to me is that all four gams against top 30 defenses are going to be on the road UT technically is a neutral site but we all know they are going to take over that stadium in Atlanta. It will be louder and more nasty than playing at SMU or UM for sure.

TomCat with the knowledge drop!!!

 

[bnoro]

There's no guarantee of anything. However, if he DOES duplicate this year's success (while making closing to $3 million at Syracuse), he will 100% be a 1st round draft pick next year. He may go 5th round this year, and if he does he will not make as much in the NFL as he would in college. If he has a mediocre year next year, he's still a 5th rounder to UDFA and has the same opportunity, but at least he made that $2.5 to $3 million in college.

Now he's making $3m here? Crazy that we're able to pay him more the more pages this thread has.

 

[vegasnick]

Now he's making $3m here? Crazy that we're able to pay him more the more pages this thread has.

I've heard his NIL deal will be worth between $2-$3m for over a month now and not from this page. That is aligned with other quarterbacks if not less

 

[David321]

Now he's making $3m here? Crazy that we're able to pay him more the more pages this thread has.

Well you have him moving up to the second round possibly if he does well in the combine and interviews so it's only fair!

 

[bnoro]

Well you have him moving up to the second round possibly if he does well in the combine and interviews so it's only fair!

Because I rate him as highly as everyone else on here.

For some reason he's a Heisman candidate if he comes back next season, but he "won't start" or even make a roster in the NFL according to some.

 

[tptcuse]

My thoughts on Kyle deciding to go pro or stay are, if he is being told by the people in the know that he is likely to go in the 4th round or better well then go pro young man. And I don't mean a few people have you as a 3rd or 4th round grade, i mean many have to have you as a 3rd or 4th round grade. For you to get drafted in those rounds, a team needs to have QB as a need and they have to like you better than the other players that are still on the table that they have graded at least that high. Heck, some of the players still available may be graded as second rounders on their board. He may actually be maximizing his money by coming to SU for another year. You don't know how things are going to work out with the NFL and that is in regards to many things out of his control.

If not come back to Syracuse. You are in a great situation. He is having the time of his life, loves his coaches and his teammates and the whole thing he has going on. This will be his second year in the same system with the same coordinator. You are going to bring in a great deal of NIL. The NFL will be there next year. Try to improve some things. No he isn't going to improve arm strength but I think his arm strength is pretty good. Can we give him even more time so he can display some more deep throws in 2025. Improve your TD/Int percentage. He is a very accurate passer and he has to show he makes good decisions nearly all the time. I don't think his 34:12 ratio accurately portrays his accuracy and decision making. He will be playing more high profile games in 2025 to put him in the spotlight and show what he can do.

For those thinking we won't have the weapons I say that's nonsense. Yes we lose Meeks. He was great. OG was very good as well but I do think he wasn't quite yet back to his old 2023 self yet, still very good though. But this is college ball and every program loses production from one year to the next. Someone else gets better, has an opportunity and steps up. Heck, going into last year we had solid known production in just OG coming off an injury and Lequint in the backfield, and that is about it. Zeed had zero experience and Meeks had very little. JRS was coming in with an injury. Pena was coming off injury and had never proved to be very productive yet.

I think we have more known talent going into 2025 than we had going into 2024. We have an excellent Pena returning. We have an emerging Gill returning. We will have Hatcher back eventually in the summer/fall who is getting better and better. Both Gill and Hatcher are getting stronger. We hopefully have Zeed coming back who was probably our #1 WR going into the season but we didn't really get to see it happen. We should have JRS coming back healthy, who has been productive elsewhere and productive in spurts last year fighting through not being 100%. It sounded like he had to be convinced to even play this past season. He will be much better. And I wouldn't discount us bringing in another very solid WR if McCord returns. I mean who wouldn't want to have McCord throwing to them. He is without a doubt one of the top 5 returning QB's and has proven to be able to throw it a lot here. We have talent but if the right guy is available to be a starter than bring him in. Also we have E Ross and Hornsby who are ready to emerge and the two additions we already made at WR. That doesn't even mention any contributions we could get from a solid freshman haul. Then at TE we have Tremble, who is hopefully adding more weight to get closer in size to his bigger pro TE brother. I think he's really going to bust out and from the little nuggets we get on this site, the staff seems very high on him. He just didn't have the opportunity due to the logjam of experienced players at TE this year. We have some other younger developing pieces at TE as well. At RB Nixon is a very solid pass catcher and runner and Willis he has some ability as a receiver as well.

With the Juco rule we should have a pretty solid OL returning and a bunch of improving depth behind them. And with McCord coming back why would we not be able to add a good Tackle and a Center here. I think things are looking really nice and i'm optomistic.

That’s a lot of thoughts.

 

[David321]

Because I rate him as highly as everyone else on here.

For some reason he's a Heisman candidate if he comes back next season, but he "won't start" or even make a roster in the NFL according to some.

I think a lot of that has to do with media attention. I don't pretend to know how much he can improve his draft ranking next year like others do, but I do know that he will get plenty of attention. Media bias is a real thing.

 

[Red2003]

Well you have him moving up to the second round possibly if he does well in the combine and interviews so it's only fair!

2nd round ain’t happening.

Interviews are all good and great but if an NFL team wants a dual threat QB which most do he’s gonna be behind the 8 ball already.

Then if you do find that NFL team looking for a proven gunslinger pocket passer with all the great qualities Kyle has he’s not gonna be fighting for playing time with guys his age. He’s up against a lot of other QBs that are gonna be anywhere from 22-40 year old that have been all over the league already.

 

[orangepassion]

Because I rate him as highly as everyone else on here.

For some reason he's a Heisman candidate if he comes back next season, but he "won't start" or even make a roster in the NFL according to some.

I don't think most, if any, are saying he won't make a roster, but how often does a 4th rounder come in and start in the NFL? It's hard enough as a second rounder or even a first rounder.

 

[Timonen]

He won't start and he'll make less money, so he should stay.

Eh, it’s not just money. He might want to live in a city like an adult and get rolling on a dream career, while also starting the clock towards first free agency. None of us know and there’s not a right/wrong answer. I went to grad school right after undergrad and couldn’t wait to separate from that lifestyle by the time it was done. It’s not just a business decision.

 

[djorange1989]

I don't think most, if any, are saying he won't make a roster, but how often does a 4th rounder come in and start in the NFL? It's hard enough as a second rounder or even a first rounder.

Exactly, he certainly should make a roster if he goes in round 4 but no way in hell he starts

 

[bnoro]

Stuff like this would get him moving up the draft boards...

 

[721Comstock]

View attachment 248497

Stuff like this would get him moving up the draft boards...

LOL. D Jones.

Of course the GMen burned a high pick on him.

Of course.

 

[Toga]

I mean one way to look at it is- he's better than Tommy Cutlets.

 

[Red2003]

LOL. D Jones.

Of course the GMen burned a high pick on him.

Of course.

Not just Burned a pick. More like spent an absurd amount of money on him and set the franchise back years.

 

[richmondcuse03]

View attachment 248497

Stuff like this would get him moving up the draft boards...

Since we're likely going another day here...can you explain what I'm looking at? Anything with mac Jones in the top right just instantly throws me for a loop.

 

[djorange1989]

Not just Burned a pick. More like spent an absurd amount of money on him and set the franchise back years.

First round QBs either get a coach and GM phat raises or get them canned

 

[CbusCuse]

View attachment 248497

Stuff like this would get him moving up the draft boards...

For anyone wondering what EPA means.

Expected Points Added (EPA) is a commonly used advanced statistic in football. In short, this stat measures how well a team performs compared to their expectation on a play-by-play basis. EPA and EPA per Play, along with other stats using EPA, can help us evaluate team and player performance.

 

[cali315phan]

Now he's making $3m here? Crazy that we're able to pay him more the more pages this thread has.

I said he will make $2.5 to $3 here if he comes back. Do you disagree or just your usual schtick?

 

[dasher]

I said he will make $2.5 to $3 here if he comes back. Do you disagree or just your usual schtick?

I would think that would be a bit high for us. Other schools , yes. But what do you suppose out whole NiL budget is?

 

[richmondcuse03]

I would think that would be a bit high for us. Other schools , yes. But what do you suppose out whole NiL budget is?

Probably hard to know for sure as he can get deals from a variety of companies. I was told 2M for next year but suspect that’s the floor from official collectives This past year he was 600k (half of what Nebraska offered) as the base. That likely went up with what he got as other deals were added on top.

 

[0.2 YNdeeR]

LOL.

here is 2-3 million for next yr to postpone that thing that you've dreamt of your entire life (getting drafted and playing in the NFL) another season, and hopefully you don't get hurt or have a rough season and then have no opportunity of that dream at all.

come work for us (at the top level of the industry), we might hire you full time (you'll be on a roster for two/three years minimum and get a chance to win the top job since you're a top 5 college QB), we might hire you for minimum wage (not really minimum wage, its actually almost $1m a year)

That may well be his dream. The question is, is the dream being offered? That is up for debate and nowhere near as one-sided as your post suggests (not criticizing you personally). Draft selections are unpredictable even for those in the know. Given the QB's in front of him in most mocks, and considering his strengths and weaknesses (at the pro level), there's an argument that $2M in NIL is far more certain than rolling the dice in the draft. We know what the pay structure is for rounds 4-7: there's no guaranteed money; there is a signing bonus but the annual compensation is likely less, and perhaps considerably less, than college NIL. Injury risks are co-egual. Indeed, by most analyses, the only thing guaranteed by the NFL is that he will be relegated to the bench. That will include practice and learning opportunities, but also the prospect of being a groomsman but not a groom -- and a couple million dollars poorer for the privilege.