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[orangefog]

Same way you know he will excel and go higher.

You're both wrong, he will stay the same.

 

[Cappy3]

Why is that "likely?"

Not that Miami was a stalwart defense, but he performed well against the highest rated program we played.

Said “equally likely”. How can you guarantee he’ll duplicate his performance with all the toughest games on the road?

 

[cali315phan]

Said “equally likely”. How can you guarantee he’ll duplicate his performance with all the toughest games on the road?

There's no guarantee of anything. However, if he DOES duplicate this year's success (while making closing to $3 million at Syracuse), he will 100% be a 1st round draft pick next year. He may go 5th round this year, and if he does he will not make as much in the NFL as he would in college. If he has a mediocre year next year, he's still a 5th rounder to UDFA and has the same opportunity, but at least he made that $2.5 to $3 million in college.

 

[RF2044]

Said “equally likely”. How can you guarantee he’ll duplicate his performance with all the toughest games on the road?

I can't. That's why they play the games, because predetermined expectations don't have any bearing on how things play out on the field.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Which is around 200K post-tax and agent fees.

Aw man, don't be that guy.

 

[djcon57]

Aw man, don't be that guy.

 

[baggerbob]

I think you proved my point more than yours. Throw out those non P5 teams. Then the rest of those defenses really aren’t scaring anyone. I assume next year we’ll face 4-5 top 25 and a few top 10 defenses.

You have absolutely no idea how next year's teams will be. And you used a word that makes an ass out of you and me. You can never assume anything about next year's teams.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Let him cook on being the "yeahbutthetaxes!" guy?

 

[007]

Kyle is a kid who will bet on himself. Except I don’t know what that means here: betting that he can make it in the NFL now as a projected middle round pick or betting that he can improve his draft stock after another year at SU..

This seems like the most likely assumption relative to Kyle's thought process. I would add that if he is getting middle round projections now, he could also be thinking/betting that his performances at East-West Shrine Bowl together with how well he does during the combine and interview process (slam dunk here, I think) will push him further up some boards.

 

[NKR1978]

You have absolutely no idea how next year's teams will be. And you used a word that makes an ass out of you and me. You can never assume anything about next year's teams.

One of the best teams this year was picked to finish last in the Big 12. Other than Notre Dame, Clemson and probably Tennessee, we don't really know how good anyone will be next year. But I think ND is going to be a top 3 team and Clemson will have it's best team since 2020. They'll feel like Clemson again.

 

[CbusCuse]

My thoughts on Kyle deciding to go pro or stay are, if he is being told by the people in the know that he is likely to go in the 4th round or better well then go pro young man. And I don't mean a few people have you as a 3rd or 4th round grade, i mean many have to have you as a 3rd or 4th round grade. For you to get drafted in those rounds, a team needs to have QB as a need and they have to like you better than the other players that are still on the table that they have graded at least that high. Heck, some of the players still available may be graded as second rounders on their board. He may actually be maximizing his money by coming to SU for another year. You don't know how things are going to work out with the NFL and that is in regards to many things out of his control.

If not come back to Syracuse. You are in a great situation. He is having the time of his life, loves his coaches and his teammates and the whole thing he has going on. This will be his second year in the same system with the same coordinator. You are going to bring in a great deal of NIL. The NFL will be there next year. Try to improve some things. No he isn't going to improve arm strength but I think his arm strength is pretty good. Can we give him even more time so he can display some more deep throws in 2025. Improve your TD/Int percentage. He is a very accurate passer and he has to show he makes good decisions nearly all the time. I don't think his 34:12 ratio accurately portrays his accuracy and decision making. He will be playing more high profile games in 2025 to put him in the spotlight and show what he can do.

For those thinking we won't have the weapons I say that's nonsense. Yes we lose Meeks. He was great. OG was very good as well but I do think he wasn't quite yet back to his old 2023 self yet, still very good though. But this is college ball and every program loses production from one year to the next. Someone else gets better, has an opportunity and steps up. Heck, going into last year we had solid known production in just OG coming off an injury and Lequint in the backfield, and that is about it. Zeed had zero experience and Meeks had very little. JRS was coming in with an injury. Pena was coming off injury and had never proved to be very productive yet.

I think we have more known talent going into 2025 than we had going into 2024. We have an excellent Pena returning. We have an emerging Gill returning. We will have Hatcher back eventually in the summer/fall who is getting better and better. Both Gill and Hatcher are getting stronger. We hopefully have Zeed coming back who was probably our #1 WR going into the season but we didn't really get to see it happen. We should have JRS coming back healthy, who has been productive elsewhere and productive in spurts last year fighting through not being 100%. It sounded like he had to be convinced to even playing a 5th game this past season. He will be much better. And I wouldn't discount us bringing in another very solid WR if McCord returns. I mean who wouldn't want to have McCord throwing to them. He is without a doubt one of the top 5 returning QB's and has proven to be able to throw it a lot here. We have talent but if the right guy is available to be a starter than bring him in. Also we have E Ross and Hornsby who are ready to emerge and the two additions we already made at WR. That doesn't even mention any contributions we could get from a solid freshman haul. Then at TE we have Tremble, who is hopefully adding more weight to get closer in size to his bigger pro TE brother. I think he's really going to bust out and from the little nuggets we get on this site, the staff seems very high on him. He just didn't have the opportunity due to the logjam of experienced players at TE this year. We have some other younger developing pieces at TE as well. At RB Nixon is a very solid pass catcher and runner and Willis he has some ability as a receiver as well.

With the Juco rule we should have a pretty solid OL returning and a bunch of improving depth behind them. And with McCord coming back why would we not be able to add a good Tackle and a Center here. I think things are looking really nice and i'm optomistic.

 

[djcon57]

Let him cook on being the "yeahbutthetaxes!" guy?

YES! Think of the responses. Throw in the agents...we might even circle back to the "valueofeducationshouldbegoodenough" guy

 

[orangefog]

Let him cook on being the "yeahbutthetaxes!" guy?

Oh man, he’s gonna get ALL the chicks.

 

[vegasnick]

If Kyle went in the fourth round, his signing bonus which would be about $500,000 is guaranteed.

Add his signing bonus to the 1.2 and that is still less than he will make in NIL...

 

[Irishsecra1]

I think Lequint leaving could have a negative impact on Kyle coming back.
The team will look much better to Kyle if Lequint comes back.
His leadership and blocking ability - not even counting his running/catching - will be hard to replace.
Now, I don't even know if that is a possibility but worth wondering.

 

[vegasnick]

There's no guarantee of anything. However, if he DOES duplicate this year's success (while making closing to $3 million at Syracuse), he will 100% be a 1st round draft pick next year. He may go 5th round this year, and if he does he will not make as much in the NFL as he would in college. If he has a mediocre year next year, he's still a 5th rounder to UDFA and has the same opportunity, but at least he made that $2.5 to $3 million in college.

THIS 100%

 

[SuFTW]

Add his signing bonus to the 1.2 and that is still less than he will make in NIL...

Yes, we know, but it is not zero guaranteed as you said.

 

[vegasnick]

Yes, we know, but it is not zero guaranteed as you said.

I meant the contract wasn't guaranteed. Which its NOT! If you think the signing bonus is going to sway his decision your kidding yourself. That doesn't even make sense to bring up.

 

[Sudano]

He should go because his stock wont be any higher than it is right now.

He won't start and he'll make less money, so he should stay.

 

[newmexicuse]

There's no guarantee of anything. However, if he DOES duplicate this year's success (while making closing to $3 million at Syracuse), he will 100% be a 1st round draft pick next year. He may go 5th round this year, and if he does he will not make as much in the NFL as he would in college. If he has a mediocre year next year, he's still a 5th rounder to UDFA and has the same opportunity, but at least he made that $2.5 to $3 million in college.

I love Kyle, and I agree with most of your post. However, I do not see Kyle moving into Round 1 no matter what he does.

His lack of scrambling ability and perceived lack of escapability will preclude Round 1 draft status.

I think his upside is Round 2, and that is a real shame because I think his accuracy and ability to get rid of the ball quickly are as good as anybody else's at the collegiate level. He is also the best I have ever seen at the college level in executing the back shoulder pass.

Scouts have their check lists and to get into Round 1 as a QB all the boxes need checking and Kyle is missing one or two of those boxes and one year will not change that.

 

[SuFTW]

I meant the contract wasn't guaranteed. Which its NOT! If you think the signing bonus is going to sway his decision you’re kidding yourself. That doesn't even make sense to bring up.

This is exactly what you said “That contract is work approx. $4.8M spread out over 4 years (AGAIN NO GUARANTEE).”
The signing bonus is part of the contract and is $500k for the fourth round. It is part of the equation.

 

[CuseCPT]

That's why I think it's going to start to make sense for guys to come back in a lot of cases. If they have limited prospects at the next level they can now spend an extra year or two making real bank and being big man on campus.

 

[Yegorange]

I love Kyle, and I agree with most of your post. However, I do not see Kyle moving into Round 1 no matter what he does.

His lack of scrambling ability and perceived lack of escapability will preclude Round 1 draft status.

I think his upside is Round 2, and that is a real shame because I think his accuracy and ability to get rid of the ball quickly are as good as anybody else's at the collegiate level. He is also the best I have ever seen at the college level in executing the back shoulder pass.

Scouts have their check lists and to get into Round 1 as a QB all the boxes need checking and Kyle is missing one or two of those boxes and one year will not change that.

Returning will give him a chance to prove those perceptions wrong, which will elevate him to Rd 2 or 1. He didn’t run often, but that was because he was looking to pass til the last moment - and most of the times someone would get open. And he was effective when he did run - the spike against GT comes to mind. As for elusiveness, he wasn’t fast, but was slippery in the pocket. Recall quite a few tightropes before releasing the pass. With proper dedication to strength and conditioning… umm, footwork … he certainly can improve the Little League Kyle to a bigger league level.

 

[Toga]

I love Kyle, and I agree with most of your post. However, I do not see Kyle moving into Round 1 no matter what he does.

His lack of scrambling ability and perceived lack of escapability will preclude Round 1 draft status.

I think his upside is Round 2, and that is a real shame because I think his accuracy and ability to get rid of the ball quickly are as good as anybody else's at the collegiate level. He is also the best I have ever seen at the college level in executing the back shoulder pass.

Scouts have their check lists and to get into Round 1 as a QB all the boxes need checking and Kyle is missing one or two of those boxes and one year will not change that.

Excels at back shoulder passes. That pass works well at the next level .

 

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