McCords season

[Cuse181]

So, by your criteria, last nights game took McCord from a Day 1 pick to undraftable, right?

Did I miss something during the game? Did he not throw for 2400 yards through 7 games with 19 TDs? What an unclever comment

 

[kcsu]

Re Kyle and the NFL, I still think he can get a look as a late round draft pick or UDFA and stick. One game doesn't ruin a career, but it definitely didn't help.

However, he's averaging almost 50 attempts per game. My personal feelings on that much imbalance in an offense notwithstanding, what it means is as we progress to some teams that will be primed is that it's 50 attempts for a defense to get a shot on Kyle.

We aren't switching to a balanced O, and I'm not sure what the % of plays that are passes are McCord checking into something he sees at the line and out of the original play call, but McCord has to:

1) Get better at moving in the pocket (climbing the ladder, slide left and right, etc)... he's getting cement feet at times in conjunction with locking in on a single WR. His eyes are connected to his feet in the wrong way at times. I get it, we don't have Jeremiah Smith at WR or OSU's OL, but he has to move better in the pocket for his own safety and his potential draft appeal.

2) Building off that -- he has to stop reversing out. Has to. He is going to get blindsided as he reverses out one time and going to get crushed and injured/concussed.

The one part of having a gun for hire (and believe me, I would do the Kyle signing 100 times out of a 100) is that there has to be a fast forward on trusting his WRs and OL versus building over years. The latter which are average in the best of times.

I would love if we had Zeed back, if Hatcher was more consistent, etc. I would love if our OL would level up. But it's not happening this year. McCord has to do better in the pocket because we aren't improving our offensive positions as a whole during this year.

The pros understand his strengths and weaknesses. Last night is probably a throw away for them. He is a pocket passer who didn't get time. I think he is a late round pick at this point.

 

[Orangepace]

Did I miss something during the game? Did he not throw for 2400 yards through 7 games with 19 TDs? What an unclever comment

Let’s see.. An unclever poster calls my reaction to him as unclever. Does that actually make me quite clever?

Checkmate.

 

[CuseCPT]

People need to rewatch the 1998 Tennessee game. Ignore the final result and just pay attention to the magic McNabb created in that game to put into perspective how great he was. The play where he shrugs off an unblocked blitzing LB before completing a pass. Then another where he scrambled and hurdled a guy on his way to turning a negative play into a gain. And he completed something like 75% of his passes for 300 yards.

Yes. Against eventual national champion Tennessee. Not 2024 UNLV.

Again, not trying to bash him at all. He is the best QB we've had in a long, long time and the main reason for our current winning record, but people were ready to put him all-time #1 here, and it's wild.

 

[anomander]

Yes. Against eventual national champion Tennessee. Not 2024 UNLV.

Again, not trying to bash him at all. He is the best QB we've had in a long, long time and the main reason for our current winning record, but people were ready to put him all-time #1 here, and it's wild.

Yea Donovan is certainly ahead of him on the all-time list. You can argue Graves, and McPherson because of the magical 1987 team, but those were different era’s so hard to compare stat wise. I think Graves would be special in today’s football.

This game will totally take Kyle of the map when all the different sites do their heisman and top 5 QB rankings. People must not go on social media because i’ve seen Kyle as #5 in some peoples heisman rankings and in almost every single top 5 QB ranking this season. The arguments in the comments for insert posters Qb was look at Stanford. That Pitt game will be a stain that hurts his brand for the rest of the year.

 

[sufandu]

Yes. Against eventual national champion Tennessee. Not 2024 UNLV.

Again, not trying to bash him at all. He is the best QB we've had in a long, long time and the main reason for our current winning record, but people were ready to put him all-time #1 here, and it's wild.

Yep. People just need to avoid going overboard. He has been great for us. He's not on the pedestal some wanted to put him on after the first few weeks. And he's not the loser some want to make him out to be after the Pitt game. Every game we win the rest of the season will be because of him more than any other player.

If the oline were decent, not even great, just decent, I think we beat Pitt. An average running game takes the pressure off of McCord to feel like he has to make a play on every snap and and just a little more time allows him to go through progressions.

 

[Millhouse]

Yes. Against eventual national champion Tennessee. Not 2024 UNLV.

Again, not trying to bash him at all. He is the best QB we've had in a long, long time and the main reason for our current winning record, but people were ready to put him all-time #1 here, and it's wild.

Damien Rhodes has better total yards and TD than Ernie Davis

Per play is apples to apples

 

[swish7]

If the oline were decent, not even great, just decent, I think we beat Pitt. An average running game takes the pressure off of McCord to feel like he has to make a play on every snap and and just a little more time allows him to go through prprogressions.

Pitt still wins. Maybe it's a tinch closer.
Kyle still throws 3ish interceptions. Still forces soft passes at keyholes behind blanketed receivers and at DBs who (gasp!) looked back for the ball.
Our receivers still don't get open & give up on balls slightly overthrown.
We still get outcoached by Nardz.

Nice hypothetical, but hats off to Pitt, they absolutely and completely dominated us. What their O did or didn't do didn't matter after Q1 & Kyle's 3rd int.

 

[orangecuse]

Pitt still wins. Maybe it's a tinch closer.
Kyle still throws 3ish interceptions. Still forces soft passes at keyholes behind blanketed receivers and at DBs who (gasp!) looked back for the ball.
Our receivers still don't get open & give up on balls slightly overthrown.
We still get outcoached by Nardz.

Nice hypothetical, but hats off to Pitt, they absolutely and completely dominated us. What their O did or didn't do didn't matter after Q1 & Kyle's 3rd int.

Completely agree.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that McCord is a "loser" as that same poster sensationally spewed in a subsequent post, but he clearly was exposed to one of his major weaknesses, which is staring down receivers, and rolling the dice on risky throws to blanketed receivers with tight or absolutely zero windows. This was a trait of his at OSU (as a couple of my Ohio relatives) heckled me about in various texts during Thursday's absolute horror show.

Up until now, SU hasn't faced any opponent worth a darn, especially defensively. So, McCord's significant shortcoming wasn't blatantly exposed, at least no where near the manner in which it was the other night.

As another posted alluded to, with McCord being at OSU for three years prior to SU, he clearly wasn't under the radar, etc. and a reason why prior to Thursday's nightmare performance (even with those impressive passing yards stats, etc.) why he wasn't in Kiper's Top 10, etc. That being the case, and as others have stated, he most likely will go in the later rounds of the draft or gather solid interest from several teams as an undrafted free agent.

 

[KaiserUEO]

after reading the board, im convinced Kyle's problem on thursday was the Special Teams Coach's fault...

 

[swish7]

Completely agree.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that McCord is a "loser" as that same poster sensationally spewed in a subsequent post, but he clearly was exposed to one of his major weaknesses, which is staring down receivers, and rolling the dice on risky throws to blanketed receivers with tight or absolutely zero windows. This was a trait of his at OSU (as a couple of my Ohio relatives) heckled me about in various texts during Thursday's absolute horror show.

Up until now, SU hasn't faced any opponent worth a darn, especially defensively. So, McCord's significant shortcoming wasn't blatantly exposed, at least no where near the manner in which it was the other night.

As another posted alluded to, with McCord being at OSU for three years prior to SU, he clearly wasn't under the radar, etc. and a reason why prior to Thursday's nightmare performance (even with those impressive passing yards stats, etc.) why he wasn't in Kiper's Top 10, etc. That being the case, and as others have stated, he most likely will go in the later rounds of the draft or gather solid interest but from several teams as an undrafted free agent.

100% agree.
Dude is a winner, but has flaws & in this case, did not mask them well.

There is an argument that these throws are who he is and you live / die by them. I don't buy it. He needs to be smarter & understand better when the probabilities are really low that he should throw it away.

 

[sufandu]

Pitt still wins. Maybe it's a tinch closer.
Kyle still throws 3ish interceptions. Still forces soft passes at keyholes behind blanketed receivers and at DBs who (gasp!) looked back for the ball.
Our receivers still don't get open & give up on balls slightly overthrown.
We still get outcoached by Nardz.

Nice hypothetical, but hats off to Pitt, they absolutely and completely dominated us. What their O did or didn't do didn't matter after Q1 & Kyle's 3rd int.

Yeah, the recievers having a hard time getting open would still be an issue, but with a legit run game threat a competent oline would provide, it would change what the defense has to focus on and maybe give them a bit more room, and I don't think much more would be needed. McCord has shown he doesn't need much. The problem was he had even less than that. I'm not sure he still throws 3 ints because he doesn't feel the need to force it as much with an even average run game.