McCords season

[sufandu]

You make a good argument for McNabb as our best all-time QB but that’s not exactly the exercise. McNabb was a generation ago. Unless you lived through it, it’s history. Today’s students and many fans weren’t alive to see McNabb play, and that was an entirely different era. I’ve lived through a lot of different SU QB’s too, and think McCord may well be our best pure passer. He may well do great things as our QB and eclipse what other QB’s have done in orange, but that doesn’t diminish what they did in their era. I’m not sure a one year QB could ever have the impact of a multiple year McNabb, but think it’s unlikely we’ll ever have a multiple year great QB again. Times change.

The claim in post #5 wasn't best pure passer. It was best QB in our lifetime. Most on this board were alive to see McNabb. McNabb in today's offenses would be Caleb Williams.

 

[sufandu]

McCord has bench players from the 90s around him and making them look like all Americans.

I don't know that he's working with less with regards to pass catchers than McNabb. One WR from McNabb's senior year was drafted. Sure Konrad was too, but McNabb made a lot of guys look good, including his offensive line.

 

[dan7800]

This could be the best SU quarterback we see in our lifetime, let's enjoy this season.

You seem to be forgetting about a Mr. Dixon. Even as a holder he was a HOF Qb

 

[sufandu]

It's still wild to me that we had a passer that was that good, with multiple future NFL guys at WR and TE to throw to, and we were like "we're gonna hand the ball off a bunch to Malcom Thomas and Kyle McIntosh."

And don't get me wrong, Malcolm Thomas and Kyle McIntosh were good players. But they weren't NFL guys.

I think some context is missing here. Only three recievers that played with McNabb were drafted in the NFL. Obviously we know Harrison was a HOFer but McNabb was only a freshman his one year with him. It took KJ until his junior year to hit his stride since he converted from QB. Jim Turner was taken in the 7th round. His special teams versatility gave him a shot as much or more than his recieving ability. Even though Roland Williams was a 4th rounder, that's when the NFL valued blocking TE's. He was a dependable guy but not really a recieving weapon. If you count Quinton Spotwood before he got hurt, McNabb had 3 elite level WRs in 4 years. That's not really that many.

I would argue that Graves had more pass catchers around him throughout his career given that he had Rob Carpenter for a year, Qadry Ismail for 3 years (really only 2 at WR), Chris Gedney for 3 years, and Marvin Harrison for a year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I think some context is missing here. Only three recievers that played with McNabb were drafted in the NFL. Obviously we know Harrison was a HOFer but McNabb was only a freshman his one year with him. It took KJ until his junior year to hit his stride since he converted from QB. Jim Turner was taken in the 7th round. His special teams versatility gave him a shot as much or more than his recieving ability. Even though Roland Williams was a 4th rounder, that's when the NFL valued blocking TE's. He was a dependable guy but not really a recieving weapon. If you count Quinton Spotwood before he got hurt, McNabb had 3 elite level WRs in 4 years. That's not really that many.

I would argue the Graves had more pass catchers around him throughout his career given that he had Rob Carpenter for a year, Qadry Ismail for 3 years (really only 2 at WR), Chris Gedney for 3 years, and Marvin Harrison for a year.

Kaseem Sinceno also played in the NFL as a TE. I don't think Thomas or McIntosh ever made it beyond a practice squad.

I wasn't drawing a comparison to other eras of pass catchers, but if you want to make the case that we had good WRs and TEs and could have thrown to them more too, I'll concede the point.

 

[690West]

Awesome interview from yesterday

Episode 440: Orange Crush w/ Syracuse QB1 Kyle McCord!

Podcast Episode · Gramlich and Mac Lain · 10/09/2024 · 32m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[Orangepace]

if McCord goes top 3 in the NFL draft we can all agree he had one helluva season here.
right now would i rate him above Mcnabb , McPherson , Graves for best SU qb ever... no.
his sample size is too small. he's got a lot more to prove.

McCord has absolutely ZERO shot at being a Day 1 pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. Most likely a mid- to late- Day 2 pick, but he still has work to do to land there. I'm not sure why everyone on this board thinks stats matter. Potential Day 1 picks won't change from here to the draft:
- Sanders
- Beck
- Ward
- Ewers
- Milroe

Nothing wrong with being a Day 2, or hell even Day 3 pick. But some on this message board need to put the pipe down.

 

[Orangepace]

I disagree, love mcnabb and nothing against him but I remember a ton of throws at peoples feet. his scrambling got him out of a lot of jambs. McCord is the best passer we have ever had here, he has a super high football iq and can read defenses better also.

If McNabb played in the era of RPO, his stats would be far different.

 

[Cuse181]

McCord has absolutely ZERO shot at being a Day 1 pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. Most likely a mid- to late- Day 2 pick, but he still has work to do to land there. I'm not sure why everyone on this board thinks stats matter. Potential Day 1 picks won't change from here to the draft:
- Sanders
- Beck
- Ward
- Ewers
- Milroe

Nothing wrong with being a Day 2, or hell even Day 3 pick. But some on this message board need to put the pipe down.

If he was at OSU dropping 4K yards I’m sure he’s looked at as a fringe day 1 pick. Sanders is there because of his name, while everyone else is on a top 10 team.

 

[elimunelson]

McCord has absolutely ZERO shot at being a Day 1 pick in the 2024 NFL Draft. Most likely a mid- to late- Day 2 pick, but he still has work to do to land there. I'm not sure why everyone on this board thinks stats matter. Potential Day 1 picks won't change from here to the draft:
- Sanders
- Beck
- Ward
- Ewers
- Milroe

Nothing wrong with being a Day 2, or hell even Day 3 pick. But some on this message board need to put the pipe down.

I think McCord will impress the heck out of the intelligent front offices who want someone similar to Mac Jones. McCord will be a darling when he does interviews with front offices. Does it get him into the first round, who knows. I never thought McCarthy was a first rounder and he caught lightening.

I think jury is out on McCord NFL wise. We can all agree he's getting drafted

 

[Orangepace]

If he was at OSU dropping 4K yards I’m sure he’s looked at as a fringe day 1 pick. Sanders is there because of his name, while everyone else is on a top 10 team.

No sir. Not sure what planet you live on, but the NFL could give a rats ass about stats. He already played at OSU and NFL Scouts are very aware of his talent levels. Sanders is not there based on his name. He has very impressive talents, but will need ALOT of coaching at the next level (high ceiling/low floor).

 

[Orangepace]

I think McCord will impress the heck out of the intelligent front offices who want someone similar to Mac Jones. McCord will be a darling when he does interviews with front offices. Does it get him into the first round, who knows. I never thought McCarthy was a first rounder and he caught lightening.

I think jury is out on McCord NFL wise. We can all agree he's getting drafted

I don't like Kiper, but he has a pretty decent pulse to at least check gauges on players. As mentioned above, McCord isn't a player that flew under the radar. He had loads of exposure at OSU. While he's improved, as of 6 days ago, Kiper didn't even have him in his Top 10 QBs. Everyone knows him, so this isn't an oversight.

 

[kcsu]

I think that Kyle is top 5 for sure at SU since i have been watching.

 

[upperdeck]

I don't like Kiper, but he has a pretty decent pulse to at least check gauges on players. As mentioned above, McCord isn't a player that flew under the radar. He had loads of exposure at OSU. While he's improved, as of 6 days ago, Kiper didn't even have him in his Top 10 QBs. Everyone knows him, so this isn't an oversight.

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so basically he went with all the top 10 teams that have real good WR talent.. I wonder why those QBs look good.

 

[Cuse181]

No sir. Not sure what planet you live on, but the NFL could give a rats ass about stats. He already played at OSU and NFL Scouts are very aware of his talent levels. Sanders is not there based on his name. He has very impressive talents, but will need ALOT of coaching at the next level (high ceiling/low floor).

Scouts definitely look at stats and competition. How do you think people like Jamarcus Russel, Dwayne Haskins, and Brady Quinn become day 1 picks? they of course have high tier criteria, but you’d be hard pressed to see a guy dropping 4K yards against NFL level DBs, even with NFL level receivers, and saying this kid can’t play at the next level.

 

[DoctorBombay]

If he was at OSU dropping 4K yards I’m sure he’s looked at as a fringe day 1 pick. Sanders is there because of his name, while everyone else is on a top 10 team.

Disagree. I think you're selling him short and not giving the devil his just due.
Sanders is actually a good QB, not just some Bronny-like nepo baby.
Not a huge fan of his dad, but even if his last name was Jones, he'd likely get a NFL look.

 

[cali315phan]

Y’all are out of your minds.

Let’s just use McNabb as one example.

4x 1st team All BE
3x BE OPOY

I promise you, we would trade McCord for college McNabb in a heart beat. It would be the easiest decision ever. And that’s just McNabb.

People here need to do some soul-searching.

Maybe find some old YouTube clips. I dunno.

But McCord is not and will not be the best qb here in any way, shape or form.

Yes and no. Mcnabbs era is around the time I became obsessed with Syracuse football as a young kid. However, I don't think his style fits as well with today's game. We probably would be better off with McCord.

 

[sufandu]

Kaseem Sinceno also played in the NFL as a TE. I don't think Thomas or McIntosh ever made it beyond a practice squad.

I wasn't drawing a comparison to other eras of pass catchers, but if you want to make the case that we had good WRs and TEs and could have thrown to them more too, I'll concede the point.

My second point was more of an aside that I hadn't really thought about until I started looking at who we actually had during the McNabb era. My main point was that we weren't as loaded on offense during that time as we sometimes think. Sinceno did make the NFL but it's really the same point as Williams, the NFL valued blocking TE's more back then, he wasn't really a pass catching weapon. We were more talented on defense, if you go by draft picks and NFL success.

 

[Doc5120]

I don't like Kiper, but he has a pretty decent pulse to at least check gauges on players. As mentioned above, McCord isn't a player that flew under the radar. He had loads of exposure at OSU. While he's improved, as of 6 days ago, Kiper didn't even have him in his Top 10 QBs. Everyone knows him, so this isn't an oversight.

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Will Howard over Kyle McCord. Give me a break. Miller Moss, Nussmeier? Where the "Come On Man" GIF? It's needed here.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

My second point was more of an aside that I hadn't really thought about until I started looking at who we actually had during the McNabb era. My main point was that we weren't as loaded on offense during that time as we sometimes think. Sinceno did make the NFL but it's really the same point as Williams, the NFL valued blocking TE's more back then, he wasn't really a pass catching weapon. We were more talented on defense, if you go by draft picks and NFL success.

I get it. I'm also saying perhaps at the college level Williams and Sinceno had the talent to be much more viable passing game threats than our offense at the time was designed to feature.

 

[two3zone]

I think McCord will impress the heck out of the intelligent front offices who want someone similar to Mac Jones. McCord will be a darling when he does interviews with front offices. Does it get him into the first round, who knows. I never thought McCarthy was a first rounder and he caught lightening.

I think jury is out on McCord NFL wise. We can all agree he's getting drafted

The composure he has time after time, whether it's after a rare mistake, a defensive or ST and marches down the field with a stone face making big play after big play is something you don't often. Trevor Lawrence was a top pick not long ago, not everyone that plays QB runs, if McCord can keep this up then a GM should be fired if they're not looking at him lead their team. This kid gets the job done, and he has a resume before Syracuse.

 

[721Comstock]

Will Howard over Kyle McCord. Give me a break. Miller Moss, Nussmeier? Where the "Come On Man" GIF? It's needed here.

This gif works well for this too:

 

[sufandu]

I get it. I'm also saying perhaps at the college level Williams and Sinceno had the talent to be much more viable passing game threats than our offense at the time was designed to feature.

It's hard to say. Maybe they had that talent, or maybe in an era of pass catching TEs they wouldn't have been TE's. You don't tend to see guys built like them at the position anymore or if you do, they're situational run blockers like Mang, so I tend to lean toward the latter. I think Konrad with his speed and hands would've been a TE in today's game.

 

[David321]

Let's pump the brakes a little. 2 of the 5 games in your sample are home against Ohio and Holy Cross.

5 game sample? I'm also looking at the entire last season at Ohio State.

 

[MGDCuse]

He’s better than McNab

But, is he better than McNabb?