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Poor choice of words to be sure, but contextually no racial intent, IMO. He has seemed very contrite, and I thought I read that he offered to resign, but team said no. ( I could have mis-heard the story.).
Not sure how I feel about suspension. (Not that I think it was right or wrong, just not sure how I feel.)
I do wonder about his ability to recruit going forward or get a job in the industry going forward.
I also wonder if any former players have spoken out on his behalf?
 
I dont know. It was a bad slip of the tongue. He mixed metaphors. Did he mean anything hurtful by it? I doubt it. Do we not judge intent anymore. This is the type of behavior by society that is crossing the line. I am fine with people getting canceled for doing stupid things. But I just don’t get this. This is punitive and accomplishes nothing.

You can cancel me but i also take issue with that assistant that made that public statement. How hurt could he really be? He said the coach has never given off racist energy. It seems people are brainwashed nowadays to feel offended.
 
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Did McDermott say something dumb? Absolutely. But this appears more of a slip of tongue than anything malicious.

In today’s society the context, intent, and nuances of these situations is completely ignored. Look at McDermott’s body of work.

Has he said or done anything racist (or racially insensitive) in the past? Doesn’t seem like it. Do his players (most of which are African Americans) support him? Yes. And they know him better than anyone.

The guy apologized, his team forgave him. Creighton should move on. Now if something like this happens again, I’m all for reevaluating and handing down a punishment.
 
Charbroil said:
Did McDermott say something dumb? Absolutely. But this appears more of a slip of tongue than anything malicious.

In today’s society the context, intent, and nuances of these situations is completely ignored. Look at McDermott’s body of work.

Has he said or done anything racist (or racially insensitive) in the past? Doesn’t seem like it. Do his players (most of which are African Americans) support him? Yes. And they know him better than anyone.

The guy apologized, his team forgave him. Creighton should move on. Now if something like this happens again, I’m all for reevaluating and handing down a punishment.
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I agree with most of what you wrote but I wouldn’t classify it as a slip of the tongue. I imagine it more of a statement without much thought as to the proper context. Unfortunately, many people do that everyday. I think the fact that the team forgave him means a lot. But taking a class or seminar might be a good thing for him before he gets back to coaching.
 
Based on the information that is publicly available, I personally wouldn't have suspended McDermott. It seems like an overreach.

As Charbroil said above, if a year from now this happens again, then the benefit of the doubt becomes much smaller.
 
The 3rd Rail of American society has always been the R-word: Race. It’s so very delicate and polarized, but people do make mistakes and intent should definitely be part of the equation.
This is an illustration of the difference between letter of the law, vs spirit of the law. If I’m going 2 miles over the speed limit, factually I’m guilty of speeding. But does it serve anything to give me a ticket because i “broke the law”?
He misspoke, immediately apologized, and maybe i missed it, but I have yet to see any POC stand up and call for McDermott to be punished further. This smacks of overkill, imo.
 
Word is that what was released publicly is a lot more “cleaned up and edited” than what actually was said the locker room
 
crv1728 said:
I agree with most of what you wrote but I wouldn’t classify it as a slip of the tongue. I imagine it more of a statement without much thought as to the proper context. Unfortunately, many people do that everyday. I think the fact that the team forgave him means a lot. But taking a class or seminar might be a good thing for him before he gets back to coaching.
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Fair point. “Slip of tongue” wasn’t a good descriptor on my part.
 
Also, as a general rule of thumb, I wouldn't put a ton of stock into "players not being offended" or "players accepting his apology."

It is extraordinarily difficult for college athletes to publicly criticize their coach even if they really wanted to out of fear of retaliation, loss of playing time, public harassment, etc. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but just that I would always take that with a grain of salt.
 
jdubs30 said:
Word is that what was released publicly is a lot more “cleaned up and edited” than what actually was said the locker room
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Lived in Omaha and did lots with the economic dev group. Had 2000 employees there. Im close to the Creighton program and im not hearing that. Doesnt mean its not true but my friends are not hearing that.
 
jdubs30 said:
Word is that what was released publicly is a lot more “cleaned up and edited” than what actually was said the locker room
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So more curse words in there?
 
crv1728 said:
I agree with most of what you wrote but I wouldn’t classify it as a slip of the tongue. I imagine it more of a statement without much thought as to the proper context. Unfortunately, many people do that everyday. I think the fact that the team forgave him means a lot. But taking a class or seminar might be a good thing for him before he gets back to coaching.
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But it is a statement in the heat of trying to hold a team together. Had he taken the time to write it out, review it, and edit it, I am sure it would have been more don’t abandon the ship, type of metaphor.

Now, how the team felt about it, and AA kids in particular, I could not say, but things need to be judged wholly in context.

Very few things are ALWAYS wrong: rape, sexual assault, DV, etc.

Somethings can have graduations of wrong: stealing food to feed self/child,

Killing someone,in general, bad. Killing Hitler, okay.
 
Capt. Tuttle said:
But it is a statement in the heat of trying to hold a team together. Had he taken the time to write it out, review it, and edit it, I am sure it would have been more don’t abandon the ship, type of metaphor.

Now, how the team felt about it, and AA kids in particular, I could not say, but things need to be judged wholly in context.

Very few things are ALWAYS wrong: rape, s e xual assault, DV, etc.

Somethings can have graduations of wrong: stealing food to feed self/child,

Killing someone,in general, bad. Killing Hitler, okay.
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I'm not sure how you interpreted what I said to come up with that response. Of course there are degrees to most things.
Look at your first paragraph - I completely agree with that. Seems to me that reviewing, editing some ideas is what thoughtful people do before they speak. He didn't, and that caused him to be a dumb a$$. Learning to be more considerate, empathetic and thoughtful is not a harsh punishment for being a dumb a$$, it is appropriate.
 
DoctorBombay said:
The 3rd Rail of American society has always been the R-word: Race. It’s so very delicate and polarized, but people do make mistakes and intent should definitely be part of the equation.
This is an illustration of the difference between letter of the law, vs spirit of the law. If I’m going 2 miles over the speed limit, factually I’m guilty of speeding. But does it serve anything to give me a ticket because i “broke the law”?
He misspoke, immediately apologized, and maybe i missed it, but I have yet to see any POC stand up and call for McDermott to be punished further. This smacks of overkill, imo.
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Did you really just compare over-speeding by 2 miles to a white coach yelling at his black players to "stay in the plantation"? Seriously?

I'm a minority and it is tough to speak up when this type of incident happens because of this type of behavior/mentality from the 'majority'. Happened to me in the workforce more than a handful of times. Then after you speak up, you have the folks telling you:

- I don't have one racist bone in my body!
- I have a black friend so I can't be racist!
- Let's not overreact to one comment, it was just a 'slip of the tongue'
- etc. etc. etc.

We're better than this guys.

Words have consequences. He needs to be suspended for what he said. And yes, apology accepted and he should get back to his job with no issues. But damn, to say that a suspension is "too much" is absolutely ridiculous in this case.
 
He deserved a penalty for those comments.
If his players forgive him then I can see why he keeps his job but you can’t say what he did.

Just awful comments.
It will be interesting to see if he can recruit now.
MCW defended him on Twitter.
 
imdevo said:
I'm a minority and it is tough to speak up when this type of incident happens because of this type of behavior/mentality from the 'majority'. Happened to me in the workforce more than a handful of times. Then after you speak up, you have the folks telling you:

- I don't have one racist bone in my body!
- I have a black friend so I can't be racist!
- Let's not overreact to one comment, it was just a 'slip of the tongue'
- etc. etc. etc.
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I appreciate you sharing this perspective.
 
orange79 said:
lol at people in this thread knowing what he meant and what he didn't.
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We gave our opinion on the subject based on the information we have. If evidence comes forward that he’s used insensitive language before I’d imagine the folks on this board would adjust their stance accordingly. For instance, I hope that the Iowa football coach who led a disgusting culture never gets a job in football (or any real type of leadership position) again.

What would you prefer us to do? Should we find him guilty until proven innocent and assume he is a terrible bigot? Should we call for an FBI investigation where 40 federal agents come to Creighton to seek the truth?

Since your first comment didn’t add anything to the conversation, here’s a second opportunity to provide an intelligent thought.
 
imdevo said:
Did you really just compare over-speeding by 2 miles to a white coach yelling at his black players to "stay in the plantation"? Seriously?

I'm a minority and it is tough to speak up when this type of incident happens because of this type of behavior/mentality from the 'majority'. Happened to me in the workforce more than a handful of times. Then after you speak up, you have the folks telling you:

- I don't have one racist bone in my body!
- I have a black friend so I can't be racist!
- Let's not overreact to one comment, it was just a 'slip of the tongue'
- etc. etc. etc.

We're better than this guys.

Words have consequences. He needs to be suspended for what he said. And yes, apology accepted and he should get back to his job with no issues. But damn, to say that a suspension is "too much" is absolutely ridiculous in this case.
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i mean, to say he shouldnt be suspended is not absolutely ridiculous. Im fine with an opposing opinion but its certainly not absolutely ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
 
Charbroil said:
We gave our opinion on the subject based on the information we have. If evidence comes forward that he’s used insensitive language before I’d imagine the folks on this board would adjust their stance accordingly. For instance, I hope that the Iowa football coach who led a disgusting culture never gets a job in football (or any real type of leadership position) again.

What would you prefer us to do? Should we find him guilty until proven innocent and assume he is a terrible bigot? Should we call for an FBI investigation where 40 federal agents come to Creighton to seek the truth?

Since your first comment didn’t add anything to the conversation, here’s a second opportunity to provide an intelligent thought.
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Seriously? That's what you took from my post? :rolleyes:

My point was about the absolutes being posted, knowing exactly what he meant and what he didn't mean.

Silly.
 
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