McDermott suspended at Creighton

[orangecuse]

Sticks and stones...words carry the amount of weight from the amount of attention that one freely & voluntarily chooses to give it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Sticks and stones...words carry the amount of weight from the amount of attention that one freely & voluntarily chooses to give it.

Eh, that falls short to me.

There are certain things that are useful for an individual to believe as it pertains to their own life, but that should never be advised from one individual to another.

It's one thing to say sticks and stones but words will never hurt me as a personal choice in the face of a personal circumstance. I just don't buy saying it directed toward another person. It's too easy. Let's too much off the hook.

 

[UpstateSM]

Sticks and stones...words carry the amount of weight from the amount of attention that one freely & voluntarily chooses to give it.

lmfao

 

[Eric15]

Sticks and stones...words carry the amount of weight from the amount of attention that one freely & voluntarily chooses to give it.

I would argue that words are WAY more powerful than "sticks and stones."

 

[Charbroil]

Seriously? That's what you took from my post?

My point was about the absolutes being posted, knowing exactly what he meant and what he didn't mean.

Silly.

Can you provide any examples of the initial comments in this thread that strongly assert what McDermott meant?

One post maybe, and even that person suggested later in the comment that McDermott used a “poor choice of words” and should become more educated on how his words can hurt people. Seems reasonable...

I don’t see absolutes. I see a lot of “IMOs” or “I doubt...”. I said “it appears...”

But whatever, you’ll see what you want to see in order to fit your narrative.

 

[orangefog]

If Creighton wants to give me some cash, I will say something REALLY offensive to take the heat off of Doogie.

 

[NateW]

I would argue that words are WAY more powerful than "sticks and stones."

I have to call Hot Take on this...

Sticks? Ok maybe

But stones? Catch one in the teeth, temple, or god forbid, the nether regions and you’re gonna be suffering in a way that is more uncomfortable than any words could ever inflict.

 

[orangefog]

I have to call Hot Take on this...

Sticks? Ok maybe

But stones? Catch one in the teeth, temple or, god forbid, the nether regions and you’re gonna be suffering in a way that is more uncomfortable than any words could ever inflict.

I cut a frog clear in half with a thrown rock. That was after shouting at it for an hour with no physical damage.

 

[kirbivore]

Seriously? That's what you took from my post?

My point was about the absolutes being posted, knowing exactly what he meant and what he didn't mean.

Silly.

 

[orangecuse]

Eh, that falls short to me.

There are certain things that are useful for an individual to believe as it pertains to their own life, but that should never be advised from one individual to another.

It's one thing to say sticks and stones but words will never hurt me as a personal choice in the face of a personal circumstance. I just don't buy saying it directed toward another person. It's too easy. Let's too much off the hook.

I presumed I might get some push back on my comment, especially with today's climate, cancel culture, etc.

Most of us heard the stick and stones reference from our parents when we were children, right, wrong or indifferent...it's just a saying. Perhaps, I should've left it out and just wrote what I stated afterwards, which is really the crux of my point. And, that holds true from a universal standpoint. That words only carry the weight that one allows it to have by the amount of attention one chooses to freely and voluntarily give it. It's the individual's choice, they possess the power and their own free will to discharge whatever energy they desire.

I would argue that words are WAY more powerful than "sticks and stones."

You are free to do so. As you are also just as free to let those words not carry the weight/burden which seemingly (based upon your sentiment) you allow/choose them to do so in your own life.

 

[Eric15]

But stones? Catch one in the teeth, temple, or god forbid, the nether regions and you’re gonna be suffering in a way that is more uncomfortable than any words could ever inflict.

I meant more in the sense of how words can be used to dehumanize entire groups of people over the course of history.

 

[NateW]

I cut a frog clear in half with a thrown rock. That was after shouting at it for an hour with no physical damage.

I’m about to have my annual shouting match with the peepers that fornicate in the puddles of water on top of my, yet to be removed, pool cover.

They are loud partiers. But they know how to party so you gotta respect that.

 

[OrangeDW]

I’m about to have my annual shouting match with the peepers that fornicate in the puddles of water on top of my, yet to be removed, pool cover.

They are loud partiers. But they know how to party so you gotta respect that.

I love the sound of peepers. Wish I had them at my house, personally.

 

[NateW]

I love the sound of peepers. Wish I had them at my house, personally.

Awesome from a distance... but when a few of them are right up on you ...the noise is so damn loud that you can’t concentrate on anything else.

My wife and I will go out spotlighting them and collecting them with the long pool skimmer and give them the old heave ho.

But they just come back.

 

[FrancoPizza]

He didnt mean anything negative. Poor choice on his part but lets get real. Focus on and punish individuals and events that are intentionally wrong. Educate and correct those that are unintentional.

Waiting for Kent to educate JB that being short is not correlated to intellect or basketball acumen.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Did you really just compare over-speeding by 2 miles to a white coach yelling at his black players to "stay in the plantation"? Seriously?

I'm a minority and it is tough to speak up when this type of incident happens because of this type of behavior/mentality from the 'majority'. Happened to me in the workforce more than a handful of times. Then after you speak up, you have the folks telling you:

- I don't have one racist bone in my body!
- I have a black friend so I can't be racist!
- Let's not overreact to one comment, it was just a 'slip of the tongue'
- etc. etc. etc.

We're better than this guys.

Words have consequences. He needs to be suspended for what he said. And yes, apology accepted and he should get back to his job with no issues. But damn, to say that a suspension is "too much" is absolutely ridiculous in this case.

Hence my assertion that race is indeed the 3rd rail in American society.
No, I did not frivolously compare a speeding ticket to a coach “yelling at his players to stay in the plantation”- thats ridiculous. Where in my post do you see me say that they’re one & the same? That’s a false equivalence that you’re assuming, and frankly it’s unfair.
What i did say was that in the CONTEXT of “letter of the law” vs “spirit of the law”, an analogy can be made using the speeding ticket as an example.
McDermott was wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it. And if your point is that I’m somehow diminishing that aspect of it, then you’re mistaken.
My point is that if you take everything in context, I’m of the opinion the suspension was overkill. Intelligent and well-intentioned minds can differ, that’s why we have debates. But just as everyone in the “minority” is not monolithic in their thinking, I submit that it’s the same w/ the “majority” as well. There’s more then enough folks on either side of the spectrum who’ll agree or disagree with me, and/or you as well, no?
My intention was to do nothing more than give my POV on the punishment, not the crime. JMHO

 

[Grbac]

"I immediately recognized my egregious mistake and quickly addressed my use of such insensitive words with the team. I have never used that analogy and it is not indicative of who I am as a person or as a coach."

"I am deeply sorry. I have apologized to our student-athletes and to our staff, as well as to President Hendrickson and Director of Athletics Bruce Rasmussen."

What else could you possibly want from a person that admits to their mistake and sincerely apologizes for it?
The need to punish people for mistakes doesn’t help. If anything it keeps people from admitting the truth. It’s one thing if he had a track record of this or didn’t immediately acknowledge his wrong doing. Leave the guy alone. He offered to resign over this. I believe his guilt alone is punishment enough.

 

[jgeorge322]

"I immediately recognized my egregious mistake and quickly addressed my use of such insensitive words with the team. I have never used that analogy and it is not indicative of who I am as a person or as a coach."

"I am deeply sorry. I have apologized to our student-athletes and to our staff, as well as to President Hendrickson and Director of Athletics Bruce Rasmussen."

What else could you possibly want from a person that admits to their mistake and sincerely apologizes for it?
The need to punish people for mistakes doesn’t help. If anything it keeps people from admitting the truth. It’s one thing if he had a track record of this or didn’t immediately acknowledge his wrong doing. Leave the guy alone. He offered to resign over this. I believe his guilt alone is punishment enough.

It is silly, but its where were at right now in society.

 

[orange79]

Can you provide any examples of the initial comments in this thread that strongly assert what McDermott meant?

One post maybe, and even that person suggested later in the comment that McDermott used a “poor choice of words” and should become more educated on how his words can hurt people. Seems reasonable...

I don’t see absolutes. I see a lot of “IMOs” or “I doubt...”. I said “it appears...”

But whatever, you’ll see what you want to see in order to fit your narrative.

Here's one. But I just want to see what fits my narrative.

"He didnt mean anything negative."

 

[imdevo]

Hence my assertion that race is indeed the 3rd rail in American society.
No, I did not frivolously compare a speeding ticket to a coach “yelling at his players to stay in the plantation”- thats ridiculous. Where in my post do you see me say that they’re one & the same? That’s a false equivalence that you’re assuming, and frankly it’s unfair.
What i did say was that in the CONTEXT of “letter of the law” vs “spirit of the law”, an analogy can be made using the speeding ticket as an example.
McDermott was wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it. And if your point is that I’m somehow diminishing that aspect of it, then you’re mistaken.
My point is that if you take everything in context, I’m of the opinion the suspension was overkill. Intelligent and well-intentioned minds can differ, that’s why we have debates. But just as everyone in the “minority” is not monolithic in their thinking, I submit that it’s the same w/ the “majority” as well. There’s more then enough folks on either side of the spectrum who’ll agree or disagree with me, and/or you as well, no?
My intention was to do nothing more than give my POV on the punishment, not the crime. JMHO

How can you engage in a conversation about the punishment without taking the crime into context. Context is critical, as you highlighted above.

Since you're into analogies, let me give you one from someone in the minority:

The way I see it, a plantation was like a concentration camp. JMHO.

Then imagine a German coach telling his Jewish players the exact same line McDermott used - just switching plantation with concentration camp.

Would you still say the suspension is "overkill"?

 

[imdevo]

It is silly, but its where were at right now in society.

Come on guys.

I understand the apology but at what point do you take action?

There needs to be zero tolerance for comments like this. It's exhausting that it keeps happening.

 

[DoctorBombay]

How can you engage in a conversation about the punishment without taking the crime into context. Context is critical, as you highlighted above.

Since you're into analogies, let me give you one from someone in the minority:

The way I see it, a plantation was like a concentration camp. JMHO.

Then imagine a German coach telling his Jewish players the exact same line McDermott used - just switching plantation with concentration camp.

Would you still say the suspension is "overkill"?

That’s fair. Put into that context I can definitely see why the punishment was as it was. I stand corrected.

As a wise man once said: “The road to hell, is paved with good intentions”.

And I do appreciate that we could go back & forth without any presumed rancor or conflict. That’s the part that's often missing these days. All good.

 

[orangefog]

Come on guys.

I understand the apology but at what point do you take action?

There needs to be zero tolerance for comments like this. It's exhausting that it keeps happening.

I disagree. If the intent was to demean, harass, intimidate or hurt a person or group of people, I would totally agree. In this instance, I believe the coach. He should have discussions with any of his players or staff that were hurt. But, severe punishment for an unintentional yet stupid remark is pointless. We have plenty of true racists out there to target, let’s focus on them.

 

[jgeorge322]

Here's one. But I just want to see what fits my narrative.

"He didnt mean anything negative."

yea but how do you know he meant that?

 

[orange79]

yea but how do you know he meant that?

lol