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Micron - Let’s try this again

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Jake said:
Capital costs of light commuter rail are about $60M per linear mile. It’s about 90 miles between Utica and Oswego.

My calculator doesn’t go that high.
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Do you think the freight line that runs from Syracuse directly to the Micron campus can also be used for commuter traffic? Does this make sense?
 
sutomcat said:
Do you think the freight line that runs from Syracuse directly to the Micron campus can also be used for commuter traffic? Does this make sense?
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Probably not. The Rail Passenger Service Act of 1970 prioritizes freight traffic over passenger rail, and the freight carriers operate in a way which make passenger rail (Amtrak) a guaranteed money loser. It’s unlikely passenger rail to Micron would be reliable or profitable.

We’ve legislated in so many perverse incentives into transportation in the last century, figuring out how to improve it is going to be really tough. Continuing to have freight and passenger sharing lines is not ideal since giving greater priority to passenger service on existing lines would drive up freight costs - potentially (likely) pushing more freight transportation to trucking (which we shouldn’t want). But building dedicated passenger lines is crazy expensive, and would need larger ridership than we can reasonably forecast in most places to be a viable use of limited resources.
 
bnoro said:
Stop allowing corporations to purchase single family homes with the intentions of flipping them for more money. This is far and away the main issue facing those of us looking to become first time homeowners, as a property that was purchased a year ago for 300k gets a fresh coat of paint and is back on the market at 550k. It's disgusting.
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Corporations is a broad brush. Even small investors should be doing it through corporations or LLCs.
 
Cusefan95 said:
Probably not. The Rail Passenger Service Act of 1970 prioritizes freight traffic over passenger rail, and the freight carriers operate in a way which make passenger rail (Amtrak) a guaranteed money loser. It’s unlikely passenger rail to Micron would be reliable or profitable.

We’ve legislated in so many perverse incentives into transportation in the last century, figuring out how to improve it is going to be really tough. Continuing to have freight and passenger sharing lines is not ideal since giving greater priority to passenger service on existing lines would drive up freight costs - potentially (likely) pushing more freight transportation to trucking (which we shouldn’t want). But building dedicated passenger lines is crazy expensive, and would need larger ridership than we can reasonably forecast in most places to be a viable use of limited resources.
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With the scale of the future workforce, I hope the state will be willing to engage with CSX to allow the lightly used line in question to be also used for passenger service.

Hopefully Amtrak is not involved.
 
bnoro said:
Stop allowing corporations to purchase single family homes with the intentions of flipping them for more money. This is far and away the main issue facing those of us looking to become first time homeowners, as a property that was purchased a year ago for 300k gets a fresh coat of paint and is back on the market at 550k. It's disgusting.
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The issue is bigger than what you believe, and your solution won’t work. The root cause is the way GDP is calculated, it’s a terrible metric of economic health. GDP is the sum of consumer, industrial, and government spending (+exports-imports). Every President now manipulates this - Obama did by massively increasing government spending, Trump did by radically reducing imports. Nobody looks for long term growth, they look to see a positive change in GDP quarter over quarter so the news doesn’t report we’re in a recession.

When a house is flipped for more than it sold for a few years earlier (accounting for inflation), that difference is counted as economic growth in GDP. (Ultimately at least - some will argue I massively oversimplified here, but it’s accurate enough for my point). As asset inflation is a significant enough contributor to GDP now, neither party is going to have any interest in slowing that down. If the government prevented large corporations from buying up numerous houses, they’d find a way to make it even easier to start LLCs so we can keep the asset inflation going - even though politicians will sell it to folks like you that they “did something” to fix the problem.

We badly need to dump GDP as an economic metric…although I don’t have any recommendations on what would replace it.
 
Cusefan95 said:
Probably not. The Rail Passenger Service Act of 1970 prioritizes freight traffic over passenger rail, and the freight carriers operate in a way which make passenger rail (Amtrak) a guaranteed money loser. It’s unlikely passenger rail to Micron would be reliable or profitable.

We’ve legislated in so many perverse incentives into transportation in the last century, figuring out how to improve it is going to be really tough. Continuing to have freight and passenger sharing lines is not ideal since giving greater priority to passenger service on existing lines would drive up freight costs - potentially (likely) pushing more freight transportation to trucking (which we shouldn’t want). But building dedicated passenger lines is crazy expensive, and would need larger ridership than we can reasonably forecast in most places to be a viable use of limited resources.
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Winner winner chicken dinner.
 
sutomcat said:
Gang, please stay focused and limit talk on this thread to the Micron project.

The other stuff is good fodder for the Off Topic Board.

Thanks.
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How about this? Micron should install a small modular nuclear reactor to supply the massive amounts of power it will need. They should also work with Onondaga County to create a light rail system that will serve Micron and other portions of the county.
 
sutomcat said:
With the scale of the future workforce, I hope the state will be willing to engage with CSX to allow the lightly used line in question to be also used for passenger service.

Hopefully Amtrak is not involved.
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cusefan88 said:
Imagine if we had high-speed rail across 90? Cuse to Buffalo in 90mins. Could do a Bills 1pm kick and back home for dinner.
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it only takes a little over 2 hrs as it is.. by the time you park and figure how to get from the rail line to the bills game it would have faster to just drive.
 
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