Mike Vick tweet

[OrangePA]

Changes Everything.

 

[SmilinBob]

My question is, how much would Vicks life have changed if he went to SU instead of VT? A buddy of mine told me his mom wanted him to get away from the area and go to SU but things changed and we all know the story from there.

 

[suloyalfan]

It just shows people and how they react. Look i love dogs. Had one for 11 years. They are not humans. Raping a girl is worse. So is assault. So is attempted murder. So is child ography. So is drug trafficking. I could go on. I actually had a conversation with a client once who tried to say with a straight face that what vick did was worse than what ted bundy did. On my mothers soul. I was speechless. When i attempted to rebuttal he said "dogs are human beings too...you must not be a pet lover." Speechless

Exactly... and I AM a pet lover (I have a dog and 2 cats right now). And there is no way I condone what Mike Vick did (and many other continue to do). Cruelty is cruelty, and abuse is abuse, regardless of the victim.

However, I read "Endurance" about Earnest Shackleton's attempt to cross Antarctica... they had sled dogs with them to cross the continent when they landed, but got stranded in the ice. For awhile they kept the dogs for companionship, but eventually when food ran short... when it comes down to it (base survival), animals are food (and they look at you the same way). Luckily, most of us never need to make that choice.

 

[All4SU]

Mike Vick ‏@MikeVick 2h
Have to watch the Syracuse Orangeman play. Didn't know they were undefeated. #NCAA

Well at least he knows to call us the Orangemen. I now despise him only 99%.

So apparently he didn't watch us play his alma mater a week ago.

 

[FAL]

Back to football: I was a life-long Eagles fan until they they picked up Vick (ultimately dumping McNabb ,no less, to add insult to injury) and made him their starting QB. Couldn't bear to watch any games with him at the head. Creeping back into the fold now that Foles seems to be the man, but the feeling is not the same as it was pre-Vick. I even gave my brother-in-law my Eagles flag that I used to fly on game day and told him I was now officially a Giants fan. He was floored!

 

[SU2NASA]

Unfortunately, this picture reminds me that we should have won that game were it not for Nunes the Magician. He managed to make a win disappear by passing the ball to the wrong team.

Or how about when he made a safety appear from snapping the ball at the 20.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Or how about when he made a safety appear from snapping the ball at the 20.

You. Just. Had. To. Go. There. As if the recall I had wasn't bad enough. :bang:

Ugh, what a maddening game that was. We wasted all of Freeney's tremendous defensive plays on Vick. Oh Lord

 

[sufandu]

Mike Vick ‏@MikeVick 2h
When I think of Dwight Freeney, I shitt in my fridge. #Orangemen

That pic is my avatar.

 

[sufandu]

Pure hypothetical: if Vick goes to SU, how does that change the last 15 years of SU football?

I think it changes for both sides. Syracuse has it's successor, that learns for one year under McNabb. Kevin Rogers sticks around to coach the most physically gifted quarterback he's ever known. Syracuse is able to recruit in successive years because of the continued notoriety Vick provides. Vick matures into a better man because he isn't around his friends back home. He stays for more than two years because coach P instills that nobody is bigger than the team. A Vick led offense combined with a Freeney (who is never injured in 2000 because he isn't sacking Vick against VaTech) led defense leads us in 2001 to a victory over a Miami team that may be the most talented ever assembled. We move from #2 in the country to #1 and win the national championship...
... Lebron James teams with Carmelo Anthony to lead us to a second consecutive basketball national championship in 2004 (I have no idea how Vick influences this, but he does).

 

[Chip]

My question is, how much would Vicks life have changed if he went to SU instead of VT? A buddy of mine told me his mom wanted him to get away from the area and go to SU but things changed and we all know the story from there.

Agree. Not that we didn't have some off the field problems back then, but getting him away from the Newport News group might have been a good thing for him.

Another benefit could have been landing Marcus. Might sound bad now given that Marcus is well...Marcus, but maybe he also gets that behavior benefit when you get him out of Virginia.

He wasn't quite as talented as his older brother, but certainly would have been a top shelf QB in our system.

Oh well...would have been a nice twofer, and Greg Robinson would be a defensive coordinator somewhere that I wouldn't think twice about.

 

[anomander]

Anyone have any idea whether he has true remorse for what he did?

obviously i don't know him personally, but i think he has been the ideal citizen since his relief from Federal Prison. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance he paid a huge penalty. You have to look at the environment he grew up in, to him it was probably just like gambling illegally, everyone does it.

and I say this as a dog owner

 

[JDubbin]

I actually feel bad for the posters who think a human being doesn't deserve a second chance... People can and do change, yet you discredit and bind individuals to some arbitrary and subjective "too heinous a crime" situation, that you made up based on your personal passions. Vick paid his dues to society and has stayed out of trouble, what else do you want? Have you eaten a steak before? How could you?! You literally ate the flesh of an animal that may have been tortured and killed in horrible circumstances, you should NEVER be given another chance or a shot at change. Sounds stupid now doesn't it?

 

[tep624]

I actually feel bad for the posters who think a human being doesn't deserve a second chance... People can and do change, yet you discredit and bind individuals to some arbitrary and subjective "too heinous a crime" situation, that you made up based on your personal passions. Vick paid his dues to society and has stayed out of trouble, what else do you want? Have you eaten a steak before? How could you?! You literally ate the flesh of an animal that may have been tortured and killed in horrible circumstances, you should NEVER be given another chance or a shot at change. Sounds stupid now doesn't it?

You're really going to draw a parallel between consuming an animal bred for human consumption that may or may not have been abused before death to knowingly abusing and killing animals that you personally bred to injure and maim either themselves or other animals, including some that you killed with your own hands? Really? The only thing that sounds stupid to me is you.

 

[JDubbin]

You're really going to draw a parallel between consuming an animal bred for human consumption that may or may not have been abused before death to knowingly abusing and killing animals that you personally bred to injure and maim either themselves or other animals, including some that you killed with your own hands? Really? The only thing that sounds stupid to me is you.

I want for you to draw me a DEFINITIVE line for human beings who deserve a second chance and those who don't. Go!