mind boggling stat number 10,000 about SU's passing

[Millhouse]

You don't want to be ranked high here

since 2000, we have the most games where the qb has thrown for under 50% with 15 or more attempts and 100 or less yards.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...00&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_att

GERG era tied with UConn at 2nd with 9 of those games(one game behind missippi state)

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...00&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_att

Shafer era tied for first

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...00&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_att

P 2000-2004 8th

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...00&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_att

Marrone only had one game like this, thankfully, which is good for 85th

 

[KaiserUEO]

cusian tells me that since Cuse got 1 win out of it and and emu didnt, that they are 1st and we are 2nd.

thats progress and shows hope.

and the 1 win was under lester.

2 more years...lock em down now before SS and lester take their show to the SEC.

 

[Millhouse]

I just made the query worse. Under 50%, 15 or more passes, 80 or fewer yards. How the do you throw 15 or more times for 80 or fewer yards?

we're in 1st since 2000. WE HAVE 33% more games (5 games) than the next sh!ttiest

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...80&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_att

it ain't just gerg. we're 11th in that stat from 2000-2004, and 2nd in that stat the last two years.

my kingdom for an AD who knows what the hell a decent college passing offense looks like

 

[rosconey]

its a dam shame when offensive futility stats are so easy to come by for syracuse

in todays world of scoring every 30 seconds by throwing the ball down field- how does a team with a dome look so bad for a stretch this long - we have a curse

 

[TheCusian]

cusian tells me that since Cuse got 1 win out of it and and emu didnt, that they are 1st and we are 2nd.

thats progress and shows hope.

and the 1 win was under lester.

2 more years...lock em down now before SS and lester take their show to the SEC.

I've literally no idea what you're talking about.

I will say this again: We've not seen a snap of Lester's system at Syracuse. Shafer has hitched his wagon to Lester. If Lester fails and we don't get much, much better - we will have a new HC.

 

[Millhouse]

its a dam shame when offensive futility stats are so easy to come by for syracuse

in todays world of scoring every 30 seconds by throwing the ball down field- how does a team with a dome look so bad for a stretch this long - we have a curse

defensive head coach - stupid passing offense
defensive head coach- stupid passing offense
offensive head coach - much better passing offense
defensive head coach - stupid passing offense

what will they do when Shafer goes

 

[OttoinGrotto]

in todays world of scoring every 30 seconds by throwing the ball down field- how does a team with a dome look so bad for a stretch this long - we have a curse

Curse implies we're not in control. That's not accurate. We've made these choices.

 

[TheCusian]

defensive head coach - stupid passing offense
defensive head coach- stupid passing offense
offensive head coach - much better passing offense
defensive head coach - stupid passing offense

what will they do when Shafer goes

This is very fair. And Marrone had the guts to get a great DC in Shafer (that carried his arse for while).

 

[SUFan44]

What's even more mindboggling is we are the only FBS team in the country that plays in a controlled environment for home games! You would think by shear luck that we would stumble upon a coordinator who understands this and can sell that to a QB.

"Hey, how would you like to play in a place where you don't have to deal with wind or rain or cold weather for 6-7 games per year?"

Ridiculous that this has not happened yet.

 

[Millhouse]

This is very fair. And Marrone had the guts to get a great DC in Shafer.

first shafer tried a proven offense with an incompetent idiot coach

now he's trying a more competent coach (mcdonald couldn't run a d3 intramural program) with a totally unknown offense

i think they should try getting a competent coach with a proven offense.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What's even more mindboggling is we are the only FBS team in the country that plays in a controlled environment for home games! You would think by shear luck that we would stumble upon a coordinator who understands this and can sell that to a QB.

"Hey, how would you like to play in a place where you don't have to deal with wind or rain or cold weather for 6-7 games per year?"

Ridiculous that this has not happened yet.

Well, I mean, when you put it that way, yeah, it sounds bad.

 

[TheCusian]

first shafer tried a proven offense with an incompetent idiot coach

now he's trying a more competent coach (mcdonald couldn't run a d3 intramural program) with a totally unknown offense

i think they should try getting a competent coach with a proven offense.

Yep. I agree. But he didn't.

So we are where we always end up in this conversation: waiting for the season to see if Lester's offense is any good.

 

[JrodCuse]

first shafer tried a proven offense with an incompetent idiot coach

now he's trying a more competent coach (mcdonald couldn't run a d3 intramural program) with a totally unknown offense

i think they should try getting a competent coach with a proven offense.

I love all your statistics but I think you're beating Lester down more than he deserves. Can we actually see him run his offense for at least 15 minutes in a game environment before we doom him?

We all can agree McDonald was a bad OC. No ifs ands or buts. His decision making was awful. His play calling was atrocious. His not using the strengths of a team is just dumb.

What do we have on our current team? We have some good RBs, good WRs, big TEs and big WRs. So Lester is going to an offense that will feature those players. I think people are getting too caught up in the "11 personnel" statement. That just means we'll have TE's and the big WR's used in different ways to create mismatches and attack the middle of the field.

Hunt is truthfully his only option at QB. Why is that? Last years QB class looks promising but they aren't ready. The year before wasn't very good. And the last 2 years of Marrone were god awful in bringing in position offensive players. So we are at this current state of affairs because Marrone couldn't really recruit solid O players, or at least didn't in the time he was here.

Bottom line is we need to see how the year plays out. Hunt could have a banner year, 3000+ yards passing with 500+ yards rushing and look like our own version of Donte Culpepper. I see pictures of him and he is jacked beyond belief right now.

 

[Millhouse]

I love all your statistics but I think you're beating Lester down more than he deserves. Can we actually see him run his offense for at least 15 minutes in a game environment before we doom him?

We all can agree McDonald was a bad OC. No ifs ands or buts. His decision making was awful. His play calling was atrocious. His not using the strengths of a team is just dumb.

What do we have on our current team? We have some good RBs, good WRs, big TEs and big WRs. So Lester is going to an offense that will feature those players. I think people are getting too caught up in the "11 personnel" statement. That just means we'll have TE's and the big WR's used in different ways to create mismatches and attack the middle of the field.

Hunt is truthfully his only option at QB. Why is that? Last years QB class looks promising but they aren't ready. The year before wasn't very good. And the last 2 years of Marrone were god awful in bringing in position offensive players. So we are at this current state of affairs because Marrone couldn't really recruit solid O players, or at least didn't in the time he was here.

Bottom line is we need to see how the year plays out. Hunt could have a banner year, 3000+ yards passing with 500+ yards rushing and look like our own version of Donte Culpepper. I see pictures of him and he is jacked beyond belief right now.

if we haven't seen his offense for 15 minutes, i think that qualifies as unknown and unproven

 

[KaiserUEO]

if we haven't seen his offense for 15 minutes, i think that qualifies as unknown and unproven

gamut between that and calling hunt...daunte culpepper impressive.

 

[retro44]

Another great thread to scare off recruits.
How's this for a novel idea,why don't we let the opposing fan bases come up with stuff like this to use as negative recruiting tools instead of this fan base making it much easier for them.
I guess everyone wants to be like Bud.

 

[rosconey]

Another great thread to scare off recruits.
How's this for a novel idea,why don't we let the opposing fan bases come up with stuff like this to use as negative recruiting tools instead of this fan base making it much easier for them.
I guess everyone wants to be like Bud.

should do just the opposite - man they havent had a passing game in 20 years- i am the one who will change that

recruits are scared away from bad staffs more than previous stats

 

[RoatanCuse]

Rosco, yes, a good mindset will accept the challenge and try to become the next best receiver. That is the type we want. The only hurdle in his mind would be the coaching staff and the game plan our recruiting staff presents to him. Better receivers would likely want to see a pass oriented offense....although a run-first team would often open up 10-15 opportunities per game for a solid receiver. Most would be called upon to block downfield.

 

[rosconey]

lester had what 8 games to show some kind of life- not talking a total revamp-
just some kind of glimpse of life - mars has shown more life than lesters offense did last year -

my biggest fear is we add 1.5 points a game over last year and you guys start to cheer

 

[OttoinGrotto]

my biggest fear is we add 1.5 points a game over last year and you guys start to cheer

People here sometimes bash on you for being negative, but this is a fair point.

I remember in 2011 we got off to a good start but we weren't scoring a whole lot, and there was a lot of chest thumping about how 24 points a game was good enough and the way we played that was what we needed. We know how that turned out. Winning covers a lot of ills, until it doesn't anymore.

We're not really going to make a move until we're averaging 30+ a game, at least. I feel like, in the Dome, that shouldn't be impossible.

 

[TheCusian]

People here sometimes bash on you for being negative, but this is a fair point. I remember in 2011 we got off to a good start but we weren't scoring a whole lot, and there was a lot of chest thumping about how 24 points a game was good enough and the way we played that was what we needed. We know how that turned out. Winning covers a lot of ills, until it doesn't anymore. We're not really going to make a move until we're averaging 30+ a game, at least. I feel like, in the Dome, that shouldn't be impossible.

To me it will be did we improve enough and is is something we can build on (identity, consistency, etc.) - I think that's what hurt when Marrone left. It was just the beginning of having an identity.

I just don't want modest improvement in numbers.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

To me it will be did we improve enough and is is something we can build on (identity, consistency, etc.) - I think that's what hurt when Marrone left. It was just the beginning of having an identity.

I just don't want modest improvement in numbers.

At this point, we need more than can we build on it. We need it to actually be the thing. When you're in an unprecedented era of football offense and you're the outlier on the wrong side, we need to figure it out by bignleaps, not small increments. We'll never catch up otherwise.

 

[TheCusian]

At this point, we need more than can we build on it. We need it to actually be the thing. When you're in an unprecedented era of football offense and you're the outlier on the wrong side, we need to figure it out by bignleaps, not small increments. We'll never catch up otherwise.

I disagree somewhat. Defense periodically catches up with "new offenses" all the time. Shafer shutdown Holgerson pretty much every time he faced him. Shafer's really made a living doing this here and at Stanford. I think we sometimes forget how good he is.

I think Lester is familiar with the concepts you love to espouse and is trying to employ a modern college offense (I know you disagree - no use in rehashing all that). I'd love to wake up in 2016 knowing that we took some steps that looked very promising concept-wise, even if the numbers were only middle of the road (which compared to last half of last year WOULD be a gigantic leap).

I know I'm on a ledge hoping this could be - but hope springs eternal this time of year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I disagree somewhat. Defense periodically catches up with "new offenses" all the time. Shafer shutdown Holgerson pretty much every time he faced him. Shafer's really made a living doing this here and at Stanford. I think we sometimes forget how good he is.

I think Lester is familiar with the concepts you love to espouse and is trying to employ a modern college offense (I know you disagree - no use in rehashing all that). I'd love to wake up in 2016 knowing that we took some steps that looked very promising concept-wise, even if the numbers were only middle of the road (which compared to last half of last year WOULD be a gigantic leap).

I know I'm on a ledge hoping this could be - but hope springs eternal this time of year.

Shafer's success against Holgerson is part of all of the cases that make up the general trend. More power to him, and it is a great accomplishment, but the trend in offense remains. Our offense is what stands as the outlier to the trend, not Shafer's ability to slow a good offense down from time to time.

I really hope Lester can do it, but he has to do it. We'll continue to drown if we're looking for scraps to convince us that things are getting better. We can't completely write off last season. Guys got reps, Hunt was in the booth, starters came back, Lester learned on the job. It has to happen.

Washington and Culpepper (fingers crossed) are going to get us there, but the framework has to be in place and prove it can be successful so we're not just spinning our wheels with new kids.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Another great thread to scare off recruits.
How's this for a novel idea,why don't we let the opposing fan bases come up with stuff like this to use as negative recruiting tools instead of this fan base making it much easier for them.
I guess everyone wants to be like Bud.

Is this serious?