mind boggling stat number 10,000 about SU's passing

[Millhouse]

You might be projecting your weak opinion of Lester onto Shafer. He was attempting to lure Mc. . . . it from a SEC job. Position, title and money were needed. I think he took a chance he didn't need to take. I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away?

it's not a projection. shafer doesn't know what he's doing as a head coach. i don't buy your story, i think it would make shafer look even worse.

 

[KaiserUEO]

You might be projecting your weak opinion of Lester onto Shafer. He was attempting to lure Mc. . . . it from a SEC job. Position, title and money were needed. I think he took a chance he didn't need to take. I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away?

so his 1st hire at OC, was someone he didnt want??

got it.

 

[rosconey]

betting the house on lester imho is a dumb move - he showed next to nothing last year- blame it on the system installed by mc if you want( imho is total horse hockey)

i think hcss killed any chance of having a career as a hc by having the taste in oc's that dr gross has in hc hires

 

[Scooch]

You might be projecting your weak opinion of Lester onto Shafer. He was attempting to lure Mc. . . . it from a SEC job. Position, title and money were needed. I think he took a chance he didn't need to take. I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away?

I don't think he *always* wanted Lester. That really would have made little sense, and I don't think Shafer is that inept.

He thought he was getting an ace recruiter and an OC on the come. It didn't work out, happens. He moved on, which was smart.

I'm still baffled that we didn't conduct even a for-show search for a new OC, but Shafer's the coach and it's his ship to sail.

 

[Millhouse]

FWIW, there are still a lot of people here who don't actually understand just how bad our offense has been for the past decade. I'm convinced that a significant portion of our fanbase doesn't watch any college football aside from SU. They watch the NFL, which offensively is practically a different sport these days. So they see us score 22 a game and think all we need is marginal improvement. When in reality we need near unprecedented improvement.

And it is important to make that point statistically because it provides the baseline to judge performance. I say it all the time here: context matters.

In my line of work we do a lot of forecasting, and we often provide low/medium/high scenarios for planning purposes. Providing the low and medium is not "negative", rather it is an imperative so that everyone completely understands what is necessary to achieve varying levels of performance.

So while you lament the "negative" statistical posts, they do serve a purpose. Without understanding where we've been, how are we to know how to gauge where we are going?

Everyone finds some genre of posts annoying. If I never read a "Hunt for Heisman" type post again I'll die a happy man.

I agree with this. but it's worth noting that Syracuse's offensive numbers would suck even for an NFL team. 17.1 is 30th in the nfl last year

 

[TheCusian]

FWIW, there are still a lot of people here who don't actually understand just how bad our offense has been for the past decade. I'm convinced that a significant portion of our fanbase doesn't watch any college football aside from SU. They watch the NFL, which offensively is practically a different sport these days. So they see us score 22 a game and think all we need is marginal improvement. When in reality we need near unprecedented improvement.

And it is important to make that point statistically because it provides the baseline to judge performance. I say it all the time here: context matters.

In my line of work we do a lot of forecasting, and we often provide low/medium/high scenarios for planning purposes. Providing the low and medium is not "negative", rather it is an imperative so that everyone completely understands what is necessary to achieve varying levels of performance.

So while you lament the "negative" statistical posts, they do serve a purpose. Without understanding where we've been, how are we to know how to gauge where we are going?

Everyone finds some genre of posts annoying. If I never read a "Hunt for Heisman" type post again I'll die a happy man.

Yeah - I acknowledged that. It might just be that I'm on the board too much and read to many Millhouse stat posts (and most if not all are negative). But I digress.

 

[TheCusian]

so his 1st hire at OC, was someone he didnt want??

got it.

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He took a chance based on Mcit's rep as a great recruiter (attempting to upgrade the 1b portion of the problem). To get him he had to weigh the risk. He deemed it worth it. He thought Mcit could do a good job. He gets a major red checkmark next to this decision. It was a bad one.

 

[TheCusian]

it's not a projection. shafer doesn't know what he's doing as a head coach. i don't buy your story, i think it would make shafer look even worse.

It is a projection because you don't know how Lester will do. Shafer knows more than you about Football, offensive football, defensive football, Lester, QB'ing, everything.

 

[Millhouse]

It is a projection because you don't know how Lester will do. Shafer knows more than you about Football, offensive football, defensive football, Lester, QB'ing, everything.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it took a while to get to that point

gerg knows more about football than any of us here too

 

[TheCusian]

I don't think he *always* wanted Lester. That really would have made little sense, and I don't think Shafer is that inept.

He thought he was getting an ace recruiter and an OC on the come. It didn't work out, happens. He moved on, which was smart.

I'm still baffled that we didn't conduct even a for-show search for a new OC, but Shafer's the coach and it's his ship to sail.

I think he knew Lester could take over in a pinch (and did on two occasions). And that if things went south with Mcit, he had Lester's O. Plus even if he didn't always want Lester - working with him everyday for two years might have swayed his opinion when it came time for the hire.

 

[TheCusian]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it took a while to get to that point

gerg knows more about football than any of us here too

So because a bad Syracuse coach knows more football than you, automatically all Syracuse football coaches who know more than you will be as bad as gerg? Ha, Ha, Ha. You literally made me snarf my coffee.

You are the most tortured fan on this board. You probably see Gerg and Mcit in your sleep.

Buck up, man. New OC always means a chance that this ship is changing course.

 

[KaiserUEO]

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He took a chance based on Mc. . . . it's rep as a great recruiter (attempting to upgrade the 1b portion of the problem). To get him he had to weigh the risk. He deemed it worth it. He thought Mc. . . . it could do a good job. He gets a major red checkmark next to this decision. It was a bad one.

did you not say this??...I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away?

pretty sad if thats the case.

i think we all we ok with the mcF'it hire, just like we were all ok with the grobbycakes hire.

people make mistakes, HC's get a mistake mulligan, SS had the opportunity to got get someone splashy, which IMO...likely wouldve bought him more time. instead, he circled the wagons and promoted the QB coach, bang up job there...to OC.

so just like TGD thought we had 2 maybe 3 P5 HC's on staff in 2012, SS thought we had 2 P5 OC's on staff in 2014.

the #s, bring question to both of those assumptions.

but im not allowed to talk about that, apparently pointing that out somehow makes me a doom & gloomer.

 

[Millhouse]

So because a bad Syracuse coach knows more football than you, automatically all Syracuse football coaches who know more than you will be as bad as gerg? Ha, Ha, Ha. You literally made me snarf my coffee.

You are the most tortured fan on this board. You probably see Gerg and Mc. . . . it in your sleep.

Buck up, man. New OC always means a chance that this ship is changing course.

everyone but you knows that wasn't my point

 

[Scooch]

I think he knew Lester could take over in a pinch (and did on two occasions). And that if things went south with Mc. . . . it, he had Lester's O. Plus even if he didn't always want Lester - working with him everyday for two years might have swayed his opinion when it came time for the hire.

I know we've all accepted that story, but I'm not sure anyone has ever confirmed it.

 

[Scooch]

Yeah - I acknowledged that. It might just be that I'm on the board too much and read to many Millhouse stat posts (and most if not all are negative). But I digress.

At least you've been a fan for more than 5 minutes. I'll happily debate you because of that.

Others... not so much.

 

[Scooch]

Cusian, man, I think you're wasting your time, effort, and your sanity on the "Doomers". They'll never change their minds.

Deep breaths, and realize that for them, it must suck to be so bitter.

When you can tell us who this without the aid of Google Image Search then you can lecture us about "doom and gloom". Deal, pal?

 

[TheCusian]

did you not say this??...I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away? pretty sad if thats the case. i think we all we ok with the mcF'it hire, just like we were all ok with the grobbycakes hire. people make mistakes, HC's get a mistake mulligan, SS had the opportunity to got get someone splashy, which IMO...likely wouldve bought him more time. instead, he circled the wagons and promoted the QB coach, bang up job there...to OC. so just like TGD thought we had 2 maybe 3 P5 HC's on staff in 2012, SS thought we had 2 P5 OC's on staff in 2014. the #s, bring question to both of those assumptions. but im not allowed to talk about that, apparently pointing that out somehow makes me a doom & gloomer.

Rhetorical, chief.

Talk about it all you want. And yep - might make you a doom and gloomer. I'm sure you'll live.

 

[TheCusian]

everyone but you knows that wasn't my point

Stop it. I don't have much coffee left.

 

[TheCusian]

When you can tell us who this without the aid of Google Image Search then you can lecture us about "doom and gloom". Deal, pal?

C'mon. Give the guy a break. He'll be the first to tell you he hasn't been a lifelong fan. He is invested in Syracuse and in Shafer because he son leaves home in a few weeks to be a part of the solution.

 

[Millhouse]

did you not say this??...I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away?

pretty sad if thats the case.

i think we all we ok with the mcF'it hire, just like we were all ok with the grobbycakes hire.

people make mistakes, HC's get a mistake mulligan, SS had the opportunity to got get someone splashy, which IMO...likely wouldve bought him more time. instead, he circled the wagons and promoted the QB coach, bang up job there...to OC.

so just like TGD thought we had 2 maybe 3 P5 HC's on staff in 2012, SS thought we had 2 P5 OC's on staff in 2014.

the #s, bring question to both of those assumptions.

but im not allowed to talk about that, apparently pointing that out somehow makes me a doom & gloomer.

what good is a back pocket coach who wants to run a different offense? you can hire a coach to run a new system in the offseason. you don't need anyone in your back pocket

lester is very lucky. he got the job because of mcdonald's flameout and he keeps the job because shafer would feel too bad firing a guy who was doomed by injuries. but let's not mistake this for a good offensive plan just because there is some chance that the offense won't stink

 

[Scooch]

C'mon. Give the guy a break. He'll be the first to tell you he hasn't been a lifelong fan. He is invested in Syracuse and in Shafer because he son leaves home in a few weeks to be a part of the solution.

Every recruit for every school in history has been part of the "solution". That's cool.

If prefer not to be lectured about my fandom by someone who has zero clue, though. I'd advise him to sit this one out, Champ.

 

[AZOrange]

did you not say this??...I think he always wanted Lester. Maybe he should have just hired him right away? pretty sad if thats the case. i think we all we ok with the mcF'it hire, just like we were all ok with the grobbycakes hire. people make mistakes, HC's get a mistake mulligan, SS had the opportunity to got get someone splashy, which IMO...likely wouldve bought him more time. instead, he circled the wagons and promoted the QB coach, bang up job there...to OC. so just like TGD thought we had 2 maybe 3 P5 HC's on staff in 2012, SS thought we had 2 P5 OC's on staff in 2014. the #s, bring question to both of those assumptions. but im not allowed to talk about that, apparently pointing that out somehow makes me a doom & gloomer.

It's like Fight Club. We can't talk about fight club