mind boggling stat number 10,000 about SU's passing

[retro44]

Is this serious?

Absolutely...as i just had a former o-line up at the house for a weekend visit and we got talking about stuff like this. Teams have people that do research on other fanbases look for stuff like this. When his son was being recruited by other schools and when they read the boards also had info like this mentioned why it is bad to go to schools like Syracuse. The kid choose a baseball path instead and it just might pay-off.

This problem is not isolated to Syracuse. So why make it easier to for other staff's to find this out or let the recruits who haven't been dealing with negative staffs to see this right here and now.

If this team was stacked with 4-5 star talent on offense then I would agree this staff is in big trouble if it was going on for year after year.

Another player's parent also said to me that we have one of the worst local supporting media that he has seen in the big east market and a board that releases just too much info of what is going on. He said Syracuse's blogs have happy fingers on the keyboards.

 

[TheCusian]

Absolutely...as i just had a former o-line up at the house for a weekend visit and we got talking about stuff like this. Teams have people that do research on other fanbases look for stuff like this. When his son was being recruited by other schools and when they read the boards also had info like this mentioned why it is bad to go to schools like Syracuse. The kid choose a baseball path instead and it just might pay-off. This problem is not isolated to Syracuse. So why make it easier to for other staff's to find this out or let the recruits who haven't been dealing with negative staffs to see this right here and now. If this team was stacked with 4-5 star talent on offense then I would agree this staff is in big trouble if it was going on for year after year. Another player's parent also said to me that we have one of the worst local supporting media that he has seen in the big east market and a board that releases just too much info of what is going on. He said Syracuse's blogs have happy fingers on the keyboards.

I'm always miffed when people say "hey, no recruits are reading these posts"... Or "this is our board, we can do what we want" ... It's open. It's available. Google indexes the content here.

And it all matters. IMO, we need to do a better job of being fair to the program. It's similar to the way the local media treats the program. Bad news with a snide remark or sarcasm. Expecting bad news. Just complaining without suggesting. No sense of hope.

Rahme was always phrasing things that way: here's some bad news about such and such - it's going to be harder, but maybe x player can fill the gap. He has done promise"...

That's what I try to emulate here. I'm not blind to the faults, but I have hope that this is the year we overcome them (no matter how irrational that sounds).

 

[Millhouse]

if this stuff is so harmful to recruiting, SU should hire some monkey to run queries for other schools at http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play-index/

i think a more reasonable fix to the passing problem is to hire a good offensive coach.

i think a more difficult fix is to zip it and hope that recruits don't realize how bad our passing offense is

 

[AZOrange]

if this stuff is so harmful to recruiting, SU should hire some monkey to run queries for other schools at http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/play-index/ i think a more reasonable fix to the passing problem is to hire a good offensive coach. i think a more difficult fix is to zip it and hope that recruits don't realize how bad our passing offense is

Is the board really reflecting anything a recruit can't gather by looking at ESPN stats?

 

[bcubs9497]

Is the board really reflecting anything a recruit can't gather by looking at ESPN stats?

It's not the stats, it's the negativity/hostility. And yes, it absolutely can affect recruiting.

 

[bcubs9497]

Is this serious?

Yes.

 

[KaiserUEO]

It's not the stats, it's the negativity/hostility. And yes, it absolutely can affect recruiting.

well thats just dumb.

but it should work out well for Syracuse.

there are usually only a handful of people who post, 2 handfuls on gamedays.

compare that to a SEC, b1g, bevo or one of the ACC's bigger programs and this site ends up looking all peaches & cream.

in the offseason here, ive yet to see anyone negative.

hell, the fact that we are discussing ANYTHING Syracuse football related should be taken as a positive.

 

[TheCusian]

well thats just dumb. but it should work out well for Syracuse. there are usually only a handful of people who post, 2 handfuls on gamedays. compare that to a SEC, b1g, bevo or one of the ACC's bigger programs and this site ends up looking all peaches & cream. in the offseason here, ive yet to see anyone negative. hell, the fact that we are discussing ANYTHING Syracuse football related should be taken as a positive.

I hate this excuse. These other schools have a lot of things working in their favor - built in school support no matter the record being one. Can it get negative? Sure. But what you get is fervor. Passion.

We could have that. But we seem to prefer sarcasm and hopelessness. Again the problem isn't criticism - it's the tone or air around it all. I think it stunts attendance (not the boards fault - but the same attitude exists in some parts of the community too).

I will say this. The difference between the recruiting side and this side can be startling.

Also: winning solve a lot of this. 3-9 makes things pretty ugly around here.

 

[billsin01]

first shafer tried a proven offense with an incompetent idiot coach

now he's trying a more competent coach (mcdonald couldn't run a d3 intramural program) with a totally unknown offense

i think they should try getting a competent coach with a proven offense.

Sorry -- I find football in season to be painful enough so my visits to this board in the offseason are minimal. But are people arguing against any of the above? I get that we're supposed to give Lester a chance but we have quite a few data points that suggest this strategy could be a disaster ... again. I guess people get upset when you assume the worst, but let's at least give people credit for not doing this merely to be pains in the a$$ but rather based on close to two decades of offensive struggles.

 

[bcubs9497]

I hate this excuse. These other schools have a lot of things working in their favor - built in school support no matter the record being one. Can it get negative? Sure. But what you get is fervor. Passion.

We could have that. But we seem to prefer sarcasm and hopelessness. Again the problem isn't criticism - it's the tone or air around it all. I think it stunts attendance (not the boards fault - but the same attitude exists in some parts of the community too).

I will say this. The difference between the recruiting side and this side can be startling.

Also: winning solve a lot of this. 3-9 makes things pretty ugly around here.

Well said.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Guess we should all stop posting here and join the #CuseTwitterArmy and hound a bunch of high school kids 24/7 then.

 

[SUFan44]

Just spent a weekend with a bunch of SEC football fans. A brief recap:

1) It was fun to actually talk college football with a group who cares passionately about it. Outside of this small sector, there are very few - if any - diehard Syracuse football fans that will talk college football in June.

2) The two Georgia alums I talked to want Mark Richt fired. Yes, the Mark Richt that had just one losing season since 2001.

3) All fans of college football are negative about their teams, unless their Alabama & Florida State and a select dozen schools.

 

[TheCusian]

Guess we should all stop posting here and join the #CuseTwitterArmy and hound a bunch of high school kids 24/7 then.

I'll say this. Lots more positive energy and hope in that group than we show around here sometimes.

Our biggest recruit in a long time, RW44 said the fans made a huge difference. I think he meant from Twitter...

 

[bcubs9497]

Just spent a weekend with a bunch of SEC football fans. A brief recap:

1) It was fun to actually talk college football with a group who cares passionately about it. Outside of this small sector, there are very few - if any - diehard Syracuse football fans that will talk college football in June.

2) The two Georgia alums I talked to want Mark Richt fired. Yes, the Mark Richt that had just one losing season since 2001.

3) All fans of college football are negative about their teams, unless their Alabama & Florida State and a select dozen schools.

Did they want Richt fired because of the one losing season, or the host of off-field issues in the past few years?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Sorry -- I find football in season to be painful enough so my visits to this board in the offseason are minimal. But are people arguing against any of the above? I get that we're supposed to give Lester a chance but we have quite a few data points that suggest this strategy could be a disaster ... again. I guess people get upset when you assume the worst, but let's at least give people credit for not doing this merely to be pains in the a$$ but rather based on close to two decades of offensive struggles.

To me there's a difference between negative posts, and stuff posted with some thought that isn't positive.

To the parent of potential recruits, maybe that difference isn't clear, but that's the guiding line for me. Not everything is going to be positive, and that should be ok, so long as there's some thought an sincerity behind it.

 

[TheCusian]

Just spent a weekend with a bunch of SEC football fans. A brief recap: 1) It was fun to actually talk college football with a group who cares passionately about it. Outside of this small sector, there are very few - if any - diehard Syracuse football fans that will talk college football in June. 2) The two Georgia alums I talked to want Mark Richt fired. Yes, the Mark Richt that had just one losing season since 2001. 3) All fans of college football are negative about their teams, unless their Alabama & Florida State and a select dozen schools.

Another recap:

- recruits parents notice and post here
- recruits notice and have told Jek
- coaches are aware
- local media poach info, story ideas, and "fans think" informal polling from here

One response:

- all fan bases are like this

A different response:

- think about all the people who could read what you write and try to look at your criticism from that perspective

 

[TheCusian]

To me there's a difference between negative posts, and stuff posted with some thought that isn't positive. To the parent of potential recruits, maybe that difference isn't clear, but that's the guiding line for me. Not everything is going to be positive, and that should be ok, so long as there's some thought an sincerity behind it.

Yep. For as much as we tend to disagree - I always appreciate the thought in what you post.

 

[Millhouse]

Another recap:

- recruits parents notice and post here
- recruits notice and have told Jek
- coaches are aware
- local media poach info, story ideas, and "fans think" informal polling from here

One response:

- all fan bases are like this

A different response:

- think about all the people who could read what you write and try to look at your criticism from that perspective

Hey, maybe someone at SU is reading this and might listen to me! Maybe I should post MORE stats!

 

[SUFan44]

Did they want Richt fired because of the one losing season, or the host of off-field issues in the past few years?

They could care less (for the most part) about off the field stuff. It was mentioned - but one of the "positives" used by the alums was that he was a "good role model". Whatever that means.

They were more infuriated with his lack of... chutzpah... during game days.

All I am saying is for the most part, the small group of hardcore SU football fans (which I would like to believe I am a part of) cares deeply about the team and the program.

However, we have been hoodwinked one too many times and have seen the disintegration of a program that was top 15-20 in the mid 90s to a team struggling to reach .500 in the 2010's.

From a team with an innovative offense that had premier talent to a team that has had bad coordinator after bad coordinator heading one of the worst offenses in college football (save one year).

There are warning signs with this group of coaches that we have seen before. And we are a cautious group. It was easy to see the progress that Marrone's teams made, even during his first 4-8 year. We were competitive, made most of the games close and hung in with teams that were much better from a talent point of view.

This is a huge year for Scott Shafer. He and the coaching staff need to prove that they are worthy of being high D1 coaches. They have shown they can win a few recruiting battles, but until he and the staff win on-field battles it probably won't matter much.

 

[bcubs9497]

They could care less (for the most part) about off the field stuff. It was mentioned - but one of the "positives" used by the alums was that he was a "good role model". Whatever that means.

They were more infuriated with his lack of... chutzpah... during game days.

All I am saying is for the most part, the small group of hardcore SU football fans (which I would like to believe I am a part of) cares deeply about the team and the program.

However, we have been hoodwinked one too many times and have seen the disintegration of a program that was top 15-20 in the mid 90s to a team struggling to reach .500 in the 2010's.

From a team with an innovative offense that had premier talent to a team that has had bad coordinator after bad coordinator heading one of the worst offenses in college football (save one year).

There are warning signs with this group of coaches that we have seen before. And we are a cautious group. It was easy to see the progress that Marrone's teams made, even during his first 4-8 year. We were competitive, made most of the games close and hung in with teams that were much better from a talent point of view.

This is a huge year for Scott Shafer. He and the coaching staff need to prove that they are worthy of being high D1 coaches. They have shown they can win a few recruiting battles, but until he and the staff win on-field battles it probably won't matter much.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Beat the patsies (e.g. Rhode Island, WF) by 20+ and hang close to the 800 pound gorillas (e.g. LSU and FSU) by 10-17 points and I think that's progress.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Hey, maybe someone at SU is reading this and might listen to me! Maybe I should post MORE stats!

stay strong millhouse, nobody beats the wiz stats...

and the walk...

 

[TheCusian]

Hey, maybe someone at SU is reading this and might listen to me! Maybe I should post MORE stats!

I don't have a problem with our stats - the numbers are the numbers. Facts.

I have a problem with your prognostications (the future doesn't have stats yet. Probable outcomes? Sure. But we just don't know the future - AND that's what I love about sports).

 

[Millhouse]

They could care less (for the most part) about off the field stuff. It was mentioned - but one of the "positives" used by the alums was that he was a "good role model". Whatever that means.

They were more infuriated with his lack of... chutzpah... during game days.

All I am saying is for the most part, the small group of hardcore SU football fans (which I would like to believe I am a part of) cares deeply about the team and the program.

However, we have been hoodwinked one too many times and have seen the disintegration of a program that was top 15-20 in the mid 90s to a team struggling to reach .500 in the 2010's.

From a team with an innovative offense that had premier talent to a team that has had bad coordinator after bad coordinator heading one of the worst offenses in college football (save one year).

There are warning signs with this group of coaches that we have seen before. And we are a cautious group. It was easy to see the progress that Marrone's teams made, even during his first 4-8 year. We were competitive, made most of the games close and hung in with teams that were much better from a talent point of view.

This is a huge year for Scott Shafer. He and the coaching staff need to prove that they are worthy of being high D1 coaches. They have shown they can win a few recruiting battles, but until he and the staff win on-field battles it probably won't matter much.

i don't pay that much attention to georgia but they're down the list of 4th down attempts most years. they've been so good so many years but can't get over the hump. i bet their fans get on him about that

he's one of those guys that should recognize what he's good at (most things) and leave those decisions to someone else

 

[KaiserUEO]

hes their, ahem...Pasqualoni.

where as we routinely got 7-9 Wins with a 10 sprinkled in and people wanted him out, they get 8-10 with an 11 inserted and want him out.

 

[bevosu]

Football record for the past 10 years.

45 Wins-77 Losses

I think that hurts recruiting along with a generally anemic offense. Especially if you're trying to land a 4 star QB (Long was one on ESPN).

If I was a highly recruited QB (or wide receiver) I'd look at the ability of the coaching staff to generate a consistently decent offense. Our record is abysmal.

Nothing wrong with being frustrated SU fans given the lack of entertainment value that the football program has offered us in recent years.

Many (not all) of the "negative" posts have been realistic. Reality bites.