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MLB 2022 Lockout

MSOrange said:
The bigger bases would give fielders more room to turn double plays and also make it so runners don't slide off as easily when they slide - is that the logic? I'm ok with that.

Definitely agree with the pitch clock and agree with you about the shift, I realize not everyone can be Ted Wiliams, but learning to hit them where the fielders aren't is a skill and part of defensive strategy.
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It’s not a question of learning. They don’t care. They’ve been taught since A ball that hitting a single the other way ain’t enough .. better off swing ing for the fences in case you connect .. It’s dumb but that’s what’s going on
 
-stop manipulating service time .. no other sport does this crap…. When you’re good enough .. they have em up with the big club

-stop trying to make the players the enemy when the real enemy of the owners is the other owners .. they can’t figure their crap out so they see the players as the tool they can use to fight their proxy wars
 
STEVEHOLT said:
It’s not a question of learning. They don’t care. They’ve been taught since A ball that hitting a single the other way ain’t enough .. better off swing ing for the fences in case you connect .. It’s dumb but that’s what’s going on
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That's why this feels like deck chairs on the Titanic to me.

Baseball isn't in a good place right now. Crappy style of play, more DH, watered-down postseason.

These things are cyclical, but I fear it's going to be a few years before baseball is compelling enough for me to follow on a several-times-a-week basis again.
 

MLB’s Competitive Balance Tax Is Anything But​

...MLB’s argument is that the CBT is needed to increase competitive balance. Yet there’s very little evidence that it actually has increased competitive balance, and if anything, teams are farther apart since the CBT was implemented, not closer together. From 1984 to 2001, leaving out shortened seasons, the standard deviation of winning percentage was about 67 points. From 2002, the first year of MLB’s modern CBT, to ’21 (excluding the shortened 2020 season), that increases to 74 points; since the start of 2016, when salaries have been static, it’s 80 points.

Having more money, naturally, is better than having less money, but there’s a limited relationship between winning and total salary. Again, going back to 1984:

Only about 14% of the variance of team winning percentage has been explained by the variance in team payroll. Now, 14% isn’t zero, but you want there to be some relationship; it would be odd if there were absolutely no relation...
 
Has any boot licking media member had the balls to ask what happens if you ownership idiots nuke the season and the sport dies. How much are your teams worth then you punks?
 
kirbivore said:
Has any boot licking media member had the balls to ask what happens if you ownership idiots nuke the season and the sport dies. How much are your teams worth then you punks?
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Overall, I think the media has done a good job of questioning and calling out owners. Mostly just intellectually lazy fans are "both-siding" the situation. I won't mention any names. ;)
 
If MLB wants an international draft so bad let them raise the CBT threshold to $300M in exchange.
Since the big glamour teams will never get any more top talent from international (which is where they get most of their top talent from now) they need to be able to buy more players in free agency.
 
Madbiker said:
If MLB wants an international draft so bad let them raise the CBT threshold to $300M in exchange.
Since the big glamour teams will never get any more top talent from international (which is where they get most of their top talent from now) they need to be able to buy more players in free agency.
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The MLBPA already agreed to a international draft. And today they moved to the players position on almost all of the key issues. the international draft effects about 14 14 year olds a year. This is for the agents sake. Not the players.
 
Alsacs said:
Put a cap on how much profit a team owner can make per year. Anything over that amount gets penalized and given to the players.
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Put a cap on what you make and give the rest to me.
 
Noexcuse said:
I agree with you but the clock is ticking. Lawsuits need to be argued in court then wait for a decision. Then there is an appeals process to consider. Might take a month or months to be resolved.
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An act of Congress, or SCOTUS itself, would be needed to overturn the US Supreme Court.
 
orangenauburn said:
Revenue is over hyped

You can have $43b in revenue and $45b in expenses

EBITDA is more valuable tool

Players aren't paying staffs, field operations, coaches, vendors, travel, and they receive meal stipends.

They are paying a fraction of dues and insurance, health benefits, retirement, etc

Too bad owners don't open the books

I know a professional player making minimum... He's still way ahead of the average ticket buyer, even after all the deductions.

A team might make $50 million a year after everything is said and done. Might make $100mil.

In the grand scheme of a major corporation, that is not a lot. And the timing is not in either parties favor with inflation at what it's at.

Also, NBA players are gonna screw themselves when they're up for negotiation. People are already not thrilled that the highest paid guys pick and choose when they play.
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Anyone who has really looked at it knows that the real financial play with owning a team is the long term rise in franchise value. It's not the year-to-year cash flow, although you have to make enough money to keep the lights on and invest enough in the squad to keep the customers buying your tickets. Owning a sports franchise is like buying real estate - it's a 10-20 year play.
 
donniesyracuse said:
I have noticed that public and media sentiment has been more anti-owner than with previous sports labor disputes.
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I think they should be more concerned about public indifference.

Every season that doesn't have 162 games, those records are useless. They mean nothing.

Games are harder and harder to watch. I've got better things to do with my summer, to be honest.
 
Bayside44 said:
The players seem to be.

I'm a season ticket holder and it's a massive waste of investment for both groups.
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I haven't been following this as closely as others, but reading Randy Levine's interview the other day (granted, biased toward the owners, but he's not on the negotiating committee this time ...), we'll he said "The players have got to get over that there were unforeseen consequences to what they asked for. Maybe a bunch of things didn't turn out the way the players thought. That's not a negotiating strategy, to try to fix what you already lost. There isn't endless money."

Well, in honesty the owners are asking the players to protect the owners from themselves spending too much money (or, The Steve Cohen Effect).

The players are all over the place. They wanted to keep big money contracts for older players, and didn't anticipate that owners would get tired of paying $30M a year to a 38 year old DH with bad knees who can't hit a fastball anymore. The guys who really got hurt are the mid-career guys. Markets just died for lots of those kinds of guys.

Collective bargaining is a lot more complicated than a lot of these meatheads think it is. Part of the problem is that the biggest stars (i.e. biggest earners) tilt the balance too much, and there's not enough money to field the rest of a competitive team, for some of these smaller market clubs.

Baseball is turning into basketball, sort of, in terms of imbalanced salary structure, but when the best players in the league in MLB only get your team 5 or 10 wins against replacement, vs. the impact of a LeBron James or a Steph Curry in the NBA, your odds of winning on the big contract are much greater in the NBA. Pitchers arms blow up all the time now; they're not really a god investment, although they are probably the most determining factor in winning.
 
STEVEHOLT said:
It’s not a question of learning. They don’t care. They’ve been taught since A ball that hitting a single the other way ain’t enough .. better off swing ing for the fences in case you connect .. It’s dumb but that’s what’s going on
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That's part of why the game sucks now. Just like how AAU ball has ruined the coaching basketball players used to get in high school. They don't care what their HS coach says, "I'm going to Peach Jam!"
 
So miraculously… 3rd week in a row … just as a deal was about to be signed … as the owners would have you believe … the deal fell apart because of the players … this time due to a disagreement about an international draft .

If you believe this crap .. I got some land and a bridge I can give you a great deal on
 
IthacaMatt said:
I haven't been following this as closely as others, but reading Randy Levine's interview the other day (granted, biased toward the owners, but he's not on the negotiating committee this time ...), we'll he said "The players have got to get over that there were unforeseen consequences to what they asked for. Maybe a bunch of things didn't turn out the way the players thought. That's not a negotiating strategy, to try to fix what you already lost. There isn't endless money."

Well, in honesty the owners are asking the players to protect the owners from themselves spending too much money (or, The Steve Cohen Effect).

The players are all over the place. They wanted to keep big money contracts for older players, and didn't anticipate that owners would get tired of paying $30M a year to a 38 year old DH with bad knees who can't hit a fastball anymore. The guys who really got hurt are the mid-career guys. Markets just died for lots of those kinds of guys.

Collective bargaining is a lot more complicated than a lot of these meatheads think it is. Part of the problem is that the biggest stars (i.e. biggest earners) tilt the balance too much, and there's not enough money to field the rest of a competitive team, for some of these smaller market clubs.

Baseball is turning into basketball, sort of, in terms of imbalanced salary structure, but when the best players in the league in MLB only get your team 5 or 10 wins against replacement, vs. the impact of a LeBron James or a Steph Curry in the NBA, your odds of winning on the big contract are much greater in the NBA. Pitchers arms blow up all the time now; they're not really a god investment, although they are probably the most determining factor in winning.
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The players are fine with money shifting to paying younger players who are stars earlier rather than paying for past performance when they are older. But the owners now want it both ways .. artificially devalue the salaries pre arb .. pre free agency.. yet not provide any mechanism to correct it .. still manipulating service time .. refuse to increase super 2 eligibility.. etc..
 
IthacaMatt said:
That's part of why the game sucks now. Just like how AAU ball has ruined the coaching basketball players used to get in high school. They don't care what their HS coach says, "I'm going to Peach Jam!"
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Probably spoken from a bunch of right handed batters :)

Real ballplayers who are lefty laugh - yeah sure just pop a 99 mph fastball into left center. Like they all are Juan Soto.
 
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