More division realignment talk

[riskylogic]

Atlantic------------------------------------Coastal
Florida State-------------------------------Miami
Georgia Tech------------------------------Clemson
North Carolina----------------------------NC State
Duke----------------------------------------Wake Forest
Virginia------------------------------------Virginia Tech
Louisville----------------------------------Pittsburgh
Boston College----------------------------Syracuse





This is the best division split I have seen with the must have games I have suggested good job. I will pass it along to my buddy who works for the ACC that I bitch too.

Properly zippered too. A 4+3 semiannual South-North pod swap would be even better.

 

[Chris02M]

Why not two rotating rivals and one permanent rival?

that's mainly for Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech since I doubt they would agree to a 9th game unless it was a guaranteed game vs there southern schools. Then if I do that for them the nc schools will want the same thing so they play all 3 every year so then I just did it for all teams

 

[omniorange]

that's mainly for Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech since I doubt they would agree to a 9th game unless it was a guaranteed game vs there southern schools. Then if I do that for them the nc schools will want the same thing so they play all 3 every year so then I just did it for all teams

I like this set-up because it basically takes the powerful southern pod and makes it a reality within the confines of two divisions and it keeps alive the northeastern pairings in a N/S set-up except for not having BC-Pitt.

I think your divisional split and the 6-2-1 set-up also solves most of the issues other than FSU, Clemson, and GT wanting to remain an 8-game schedule. More importantly it would be dynamite for TV, imho which is why I think this set-up could actually be acceptable to all.

Annual attractive games for TV would be:

Upper tier national ABC TV games:

FSU-Miami
FSU-Clemson
Miami-Clemson
Miami-VT
Clemson-VT
FSU-GT

Next level (slightly) down national ABC/ESPN TV games:

Clemson-GT
Miami-GT
FSU-Louisville
GT-Louisville
VT-Pitt

Next level down ESPN, ESPN2 TV games, sometimes ABC if one of the teams is a national contender:

FSU-BC
Miami-Pitt
FSU-UNC
Clemson-Pitt
Miami-SU
VT-SU
Louisville-UNC
UNC-GT
Clemson-NCSt
UNC-NCSt

Possible Thursday night ESPN games:

Louisville-Pitt
Pitt-SU
Louisville-BC
SU-BC
Miami-NCSt
VT-NCSt
UNC-UVa
Pitt-NCSt
VT-BC

ACCN type games featuring upper level ACC teams:

FSU-Duke
FSU-UVa
Clemson-SU
Clemson-Wake
Miami-Wake
VT-UVa
GT-Duke
GT-BC
UNC-Duke
UNC-BC

And remember, these are the set annual games. They don't include the ND games or the 1 ACC match-up that would rotate over time.

Again, well done. If I could "LIKE" your posts where you present these ideas a hundred times, I would.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[Alsacs]

Realigning divisions should be about maximizing good TV matchups.
Its a joke VPI-Florida State will only play 2 times in 12 years or Georgia Tech-Louisville won't play when that has potential to be a good series for both schools.

The Virginia schools should be in separate divisions and should be protected rivals just so both divisions have access to the underrated talent in VA HS.

Protect UVA-UNC, UVA-Duke, UNC-Duke, NC State-UNC, FSU-Miami, Va. Tech-Miami then give everyone else 1 game they want and construct the divisions like that.

Priority has to be given to Virginia, North Carolina, Florida State because whether we want to face reality or not they have the most power in the ACC and like in life teams with the power have to catered too or risk a change in the status quo.

I like Chris02M's suggestion
Atlantic------------------------------------Coastal
Florida State-------------------------------Miami
Georgia Tech------------------------------Clemson
North Carolina----------------------------NC State
Duke----------------------------------------Wake Forest
Virginia------------------------------------Virginia Tech
Louisville----------------------------------Pittsburgh
Boston College----------------------------Syracuse


The ACC isn't going to pods unless they have 16 teams it is practically impossible to do it with 14 teams, and the conference isn't going to do 2 permanent rivals either the NCAA mandates divisions, but the divisions current structures aren't good right now IMO. I want SU to have a game in VA every 2 years.

 

[Scooch]

I like Chris02M's suggestion
Atlantic------------------------------------Coastal
Florida State-------------------------------Miami
Georgia Tech------------------------------Clemson
North Carolina----------------------------NC State
Duke----------------------------------------Wake Forest
Virginia------------------------------------Virginia Tech
Louisville----------------------------------Pittsburgh
Boston College----------------------------Syracuse

Is Clempson going to pitch a fit because they lose an annual game with FSU? That's the big issue I see in this alignment. Not that *I* care, but it may be something Swofford has to deal with. And we know that the football-centric schools have garnered a lot more leverage in the past year (see: Invitation, Louisville, UConn).

 

[Alsacs]

Is Clempson going to pitch a fit because they lose an annual game with FSU? That's the big issue I see in this alignment. Not that *I* care, but it may be something Swofford has to deal with. And we know that the football-centric schools have garnered a lot more leverage in the past year (see: Invitation, Louisville, UConn).

In Charlotte, the Clemson fans I have talked with see their top 3 rivals as 1. South Carolina or Coots as they call them 2. Georgia Tech because the campuses are 2-3 hours apart and have some overlap as fans. 3. NC State- they call it the Textile Bowl and have a long history together. While the Florida State game matters to them for sure because of the national attention it has gotten these past few years, and they have the history of the late 80's Puntrooskie game the history between these teams is only 25 years at most and only started when Florida State joined the ACC. Honestly I don't think Clemson would mind a Miami(Fl) for Florida State exchange and see them in the ACC title game more which would likely happen atleast a couple times a decade IMO.

The Clemson-FSU rivalry has the Puntrooskie game, Bowden Bowl games, and these past 2 years Gameday meetings. While I am sure their would be a little disappointment I actually think both would be okay with ChrisMo2's suggestion. I would like to hear Lou_C 's and any Clemson fans take on this.

 

[gbo]

In Charlotte, the Clemson fans I have talked with see their top 3 rivals as 1. South Carolina or Coots as they call them 2. Georgia Tech because the campuses are 2-3 hours apart and have some overlap as fans. 3. NC State- they call it the Textile Bowl and have a long history together. While the Florida State game matters to them for sure because of the national attention it has gotten these past few years, and they have the history of the late 80's Puntrooskie game the history between these teams is only 25 years at most and only started when Florida State joined the ACC. Honestly I don't think Clemson would mind a Miami(Fl) for Florida State exchange and see them in the ACC title game more which would likely happen atleast a couple times a decade IMO.

The Clemson-FSU rivalry has the Puntrooskie game, Bowden Bowl games, and these past 2 years Gameday meetings. While I am sure their would be a little disappointment I actually think both would be okay with ChrisMo2's suggestion. I would like to hear Lou_C 's and any Clemson fans take on this.

This is correct. We like that FSU plays out like a rivalry game, they are not our rival. It just wouldn't be right if the divisions set up where we don't play State and Tech. Which is why I like ChrisMo2's suggestion because we would need to keep Tech as permanent rival and continue to play State every year.

 

[Scooch]

This is correct. We like that FSU plays out like a rivalry game, they are not our rival. It just wouldn't be right if the divisions set up where we don't play State and Tech. Which is why I like ChrisMo2's suggestion because we would need to keep Tech as permanent rival and continue to play State every year.

Very interesting, thanks guys.

Ultimately I'm less concerned about the divisional alignment than I am about the fact that given the 8 game schedule and the permanent cross-over rival we end up seeing 6/14th's of our fellow conference mates just once every six years. Not sure how that gets rectified short of adding a 9th game though.

 

[riskylogic]

Very interesting, thanks guys.

Ultimately I'm less concerned about the divisional alignment than I am about the fact that given the 8 game schedule and the permanent cross-over rival we end up seeing 6/14th's of our fellow conference mates just once every six years. Not sure how that gets rectified short of adding a 9th game though.

Swap the northern teams every other year. With the Chris02M proposal as the starting point, Syracuse would have a schedule over a four year period like this (First six are in division, last two are out of division:

Year 1: Pitt, VT, Clemson, Miami, NC State, Wake, BC, Louisville
Year 2: Pitt, VT, Clemson, Miami, NC State, Wake, BC, Virginia
Year 3: Pitt, VT, Duke, FSU, GT, UNC, BC, Louisville
Year 4: Pitt, VT, Duke, FSU, GT, UNC, BC, Virginia

Virginia would hate that though -- they would not want to be podded with Louisville and BC. In order to maintain traditional ACC rivalries, the better biennial swap would be FSU-Louisville-BC for Miami-Pitt-Syracuse

 

[Lou_C]

This is correct. We like that FSU plays out like a rivalry game, they are not our rival. It just wouldn't be right if the divisions set up where we don't play State and Tech. Which is why I like ChrisMo2's suggestion because we would need to keep Tech as permanent rival and continue to play State every year.

I agree with that...but it's not even about whether they are a historical rival. For now and the forseeable future, based on fan support, stadium size, recruiting, etc, that game has to be played. Along with FSU-Miami, FSU-Clemson is an absolute must have for the conference. Not having that game on the schedule would cost the conference money I'm sure. Duke and Syracuse aren't traditional rivals either, but you certainly wouldn't want them not to play in basketball.

We don't need an alignment that REMOVES any current desirable games. We need an alignment that INCREASES the number of those games. The SEC is so loaded, they can leave Alabama-Georgia, LSU-South Carolina on the floor, and even that's not ideal. We need to keep games that matter, and add more of them. We need Clemson-VT, FSU-GT, Syracuse-BC, VT-Louisville, Clemson-Miami, etc to happen more often than every ten years. Let's call a spade a spade, and the ACC doesn't have a whole lot of traditional football schools with big fan bases. We've got to find a way to get those schools to play each other more. FSU, Miami, Clemson, VT are the marquee football schools, out of 14 schools. GT, Syracuse and Pitt are football schools in recess. But that's pretty much it, the conference just doesn't generate enough national games, and isn't likely to unless UNC and UVA totally reverse 100 years of history. We need the football schools playing each other more than they do now, not less.

If you want to take away FSU-Clemson as an annual game, I'm all ears as long as their playing every few years, and FSU-VT and Clemson-VT, etc are happening frequently too. But to just flip it so Clemson and FSU play once every twelve years, just after they played the biggest game in ACC history, that's just silly.

 

[All4SU]

That makes sense what you're saying on Wake. But there are two ways I'm thinking on this. One, Wake is the one team getting kind of screwed by this, in the sense of getting left out of their traditional Tobacco road group. I thought giving them the group with the best recruiting grounds and the more attractive football programs would be at least some consolation. They may not feel that way, to them it might be a death sentence to their hope of competitiveness.

The other thing to think about is that these are the teams that you are going to be married to on every year's schedule. Let's call a spade a spade, the North is light on star power. If you're in the North, do you really want to slot a game every year to Wake Forest, at the expense of another game vs. the Atlantic or South? I wouldn't if I were you.

I have a lot of affection for Wake, but they are kind of the dog in this whole thing, when you look at their ceiling, the interest they draw, their tiny fan base, and their traditional ties. If any group can absorb Wake it would be the powerful South Division.

That was just my thinking.

I actually like Wake. Small, private, similar to SU in a lot of ways. But we all know that if this conference wasn't put together a 60 years ago, Wake wouldn't be in it. Too small, in an area already supersaturated by UNC, NCSt and Duke. Four North Carolina teams is too many. But it is what it is, and these teams are going to have to accept that some old rivalries are going to have to go by the wayside, unless you are willing to jettison a team like Wake...which isn't going to happen.n

 

[irishredhomebrew]

FWIW I believe the #1 HS QB is going there next year

Watson. Check the stats:
Austin Dorsey ‏@AustinDorsey22
8h

@ShaunWatson4 combined for a 69.7% comp rat, 96 Passing TDs, 37 Rushing TDs, 12 Int AND 10,071 TOTAL yards in J/S seasons. #Clemson #Beast

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Gotta hold of the sharks at the end tho...

 

[Alsacs]

I agree with that...but it's not even about whether they are a historical rival. For now and the forseeable future, based on fan support, stadium size, recruiting, etc, that game has to be played. Along with FSU-Miami, FSU-Clemson is an absolute must have for the conference. Not having that game on the schedule would cost the conference money I'm sure. Duke and Syracuse aren't traditional rivals either, but you certainly wouldn't want them not to play in basketball.

We don't need an alignment that REMOVES any current desirable games. We need an alignment that INCREASES the number of those games. The SEC is so loaded, they can leave Alabama-Georgia, LSU-South Carolina on the floor, and even that's not ideal. We need to keep games that matter, and add more of them. We need Clemson-VT, FSU-GT, Syracuse-BC, VT-Louisville, Clemson-Miami, etc to happen more often than every ten years. Let's call a spade a spade, and the ACC doesn't have a whole lot of traditional football schools with big fan bases. We've got to find a way to get those schools to play each other more. FSU, Miami, Clemson, VT are the marquee football schools, out of 14 schools. GT, Syracuse and Pitt are football schools in recess. But that's pretty much it, the conference just doesn't generate enough national games, and isn't likely to unless UNC and UVA totally reverse 100 years of history. We need the football schools playing each other more than they do now, not less.

If you want to take away FSU-Clemson as an annual game, I'm all ears as long as their playing every few years, and FSU-VT and Clemson-VT, etc are happening frequently too. But to just flip it so Clemson and FSU play once every twelve years, just after they played the biggest game in ACC history, that's just silly.

Lou if you put Miami with Clemson, and Virginia Tech. Florida State would have a highly rated opponent in the ACC title game most years. Clemson and Florida State apart isn't that big IMO. I agree you and want good TV matchups. I think if FSU got an annual game with Georgia Tech instead of Clemson it wouldn't cause that big a difference. FSU fans I would think would want the game with Georgia Teach year and then meet up with a top 15 Clemson during Championship week. Having Michigan State in the B1G title game was honestly the reason why a 1 loss SEC team wasn't jumping 0 loss Ohio State. If Ohio State played the 20th ranked Duke Blue Devils and won the whole day Sunday would have been Clay Travis's of the world bitching about OSU and trying to get Auburn into the BCS Championship game.

If FSU played UNC, Duke, UVA, Miami, Louisville, Boston College.Georgia Tech, Florida annually then 1 of Clemson, Pitt, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Wake Forest, NC State and then likely one of Clemson, Virginia Tech, or Miami would be a good schedule.

The suggested Divisional realignment that I am talking about(below) protects all must play games and creates new good TV matchups.
Clemson-Miami, Clemson-Virginia Tech, Florida State-North Carolina, Florida State-Georgia Tech, NC State-Virginia Tech.
Atlantic------------------------------------Coastal
Florida State-------------------------------Miami
Georgia Tech------------------------------Clemson
North Carolina----------------------------NC State
Duke----------------------------------------Wake Forest
Virginia------------------------------------Virginia Tech
Louisville----------------------------------Pittsburgh
Boston College----------------------------Syracuse

 

[Alsacs]

I was talking with my SEC friend about divisional realignment in the ACC, and he said that if the conference goes to a 9 game schedule they may move Auburn to the SEC East and Missouri to the SEC West, and give Alabama 2 protected rivals in Auburn and Tennessee. This wouldn't be smart IMO because he would restrict Alabama playing Georgia, Florida, South Carolina more frequently.