Most egregious non-call I've ever seen...

[orangemass]

This cost them the game. Buddy has a 10 feet head start on the ball handler when they get the rebound and is still unable to stop ball. Totally breaks down the defense and gives them a lay up. Not sure if it is lack of hustle or if he's just that slow.

Gassed

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Our staff will NEVER ever address it on the record. Off the record though...

That's really interesting. I didn't know that the staff even thought it was be a real thing.

 

[samspann1]

Our staff will NEVER ever address it on the record. Off the record though...

the OSU game, or in general?

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Meh. That clip doesnt show the entire play. If the Clemson kid had position, it could just as easily had been over the back. In real time though, I thought Hughes got undercut. Regardless, it would have been a bailout after a terrible possession. Lot's of refs swallow their whistle and just let the kids play in that scenario.

 

[Jake]

the OSU game, or in general?

the OSU game. The off season that year, yes, it was a thing. Has timed healed that wound since, perhaps. But it was not just a “fan” thing.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Meh. That clip doesnt show the entire play. If the Clemson kid had position, it could just as easily had been over the back. In real time though, I thought Hughes got undercut. Regardless, it would have been a bailout after a terrible possession. Lot's of refs swallow their whistle and just let the kids play in that scenario.

Over the back on a pass? Interesting

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Over the back on a pass? Interesting

Why not? If you can be undercut on a pass, why can't a player go over the top? It's just a loose ball while it's in the air.

 

[richmondcuse03]

the OSU game. The off season that year, yes, it was a thing. Has timed healed that wound since, perhaps. But it was not just a “fan” thing.

With the way we’ve been treated by the ncaa over the years nothing would surprise me. That game was such horse...still pisses me off. Even more than the Butler game and the phantom backcourt on Jardine against Marquette.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Why not? If you can be undercut on a pass, why can't a player go over the top? It's just a loose ball while it's in the air.

You can’t box out on a pass. He wasn’t making a play on the ball.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Gassed

Weird.

if only there was a way to combat this condition.

 

[samspann1]

Over the back on a pass? Interesting

If you watch the replay, it's pretty clear that contact is made when he's shooting/tipping the ball. Either way, before the shot or during the shot - it's a foul

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If you watch the replay, it's pretty clear that contact is made when he's shooting/tipping the ball. Either way, before the shot or during the shot - it's a foul

I agree it was a foul, but tough to expect a call like that.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Meh. That clip doesnt show the entire play. If the Clemson kid had position, it could just as easily had been over the back. In real time though, I thought Hughes got undercut. Regardless, it would have been a bailout after a terrible possession. Lot's of refs swallow their whistle and just let the kids play in that scenario.

I have the whole clip. As Eli was going up and before he had the ball the guy was pushing back on him. Eli was vertical, the player was not. When he got the ball it became egregious. Either way he was going underneath him the entire play.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

I agree it was a foul, but tough to expect a call like that.

I know you were (are?) a ref. At least I think it's you. I'd be interested why you think that particular play it's a tough call to make. I've done a decent amount of HS reffing myself and I see no reason not to make the call there.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I know you were (are?) a ref. At least I think it's you. I'd be interested why you think that particular play it's a tough call to make. I've done a decent amount of HS reffing myself and I see no reason not to make the call there.

Not me, that’s cowtown. Just watch a ton of games.

I’m actually with you in that I think this should have been called, but I never expect that kind of call when we are on the road. Or playing an acc game.

The ironic part of this play is that a kid on my sons high school team does this and gets whistled for it all the time. He and my son compete for playing time, so I watch him intently. I saw this play and it just made me mad about my sons coach, who allows the other kid to make lazy dumb plays like this all the time, but yanks my kid after one mistake. But I digress...

 

[oTTo113445]

sadly, if hughes held on the ball .3 seconds longer and tumbled over his shoulder a little harder, then maybe its a touch foul. Girard should practice boxing out 3 point shooters in mid shot more.

 

[SWC75]

Ref: "I don't want to decide the game so I'll let 'em play."

Me: "You decided the game by not doing your job."

 

[samspann1]

Ref: "I don't want to decide the game so I'll let 'em play."

Me: "You decided the game by not doing your job."

I never understood this mindset. It's really dumb, IMO.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Not me, that’s cowtown. Just watch a ton of games.

I’m actually with you in that I think this should have been called, but I never expect that kind of call when we are on the road. Or playing an acc game.

The ironic part of this play is that a kid on my sons high school team does this and gets whistled for it all the time. He and my son compete for playing time, so I watch him intently. I saw this play and it just made me mad about my sons coach, who allows the other kid to make lazy dumb plays like this all the time, but yanks my kid after one mistake. But I digress...

The bolded part is just sad. True and sad. Refs who make decisions based on the teams they're reffing and the arenas they're reffing in shouldn't be doing the job. I actually tend to think the other way about it. I just think its Hanlon's Razor in effect. "Never ascribe to malice what can be plainly explained by incompetence."

 

[rrlbees]

You can box out a rebounder, not a shooter.

 

[OrangeDW]

I never understood this mindset. It's really dumb, IMO.

Yeah. It’s the kind of thing people that also say “no blood, no foul!” say. Bball meathead stuff.

 

[oTTo113445]

You don't guard people facing the other direction. Refs knew it was a foul, they just didn't care. He interrupted Hughes release, not just a body foul. It really is hard to find worse than this.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Game pissed me off for a few reasons and it’s a stinging loss.

 

[upperdeck]

boxing out and undercutting are 2 different things.. even boxing out you cant undercut

 

[pfister1]

You can box out a rebounder, not a shooter.

Is he a shooter on that play when the contact starts?