Moyer

[br801]

Why do you always attack the poster. Can you just criticize what they are saying. I think the comment "have you ever watched..." is a little strong. And then based on what you said I have no idea what you are thinking. Based on the post you were criticizing, and your expert opinion, how do YOU think JB decides who plays?

I find it ironic that you mocked two3zone's judgment within this very thread and are now up in arms over his response to another poster.

 

[We Are Syracuse]

What are you basing this on? Other than rebounding name one skill area that you think Thompson will be superior to Moyer in this year. We shall see but Moyer has the potential to a better player than both CJ Fair and Tyler Lydon were as freshmen. He may not get the same PT they did because the team needs are different. Bottom line is with only 10 scholarship players, nobody is getting red-shirted. Especially since every front court player other than Lydon has major questions. Also, you need to look in the mirror and take your name to heart, WE ARE SYRACUSE! Programs at Syracuse's level do not redshirt players that can play. They play them.

Red shirting is not a slap in the face in anyway. In fact, I believe it's a compliment if he does redshirt this year. First off Taurean brings way more value this year with his length, defense, and rebounding. I also believe he shoots better than Moyer. Moyer's shot is not ready at this level. I'be heard from my main person involved with the program he has the longest way to go and then Devo and TRob confirmed that. I have a coach I know extremely closely who played Taurean two times this season and was very impressed by him. Taurean is a big get for this team imo. SKILLED with size and athleticism

 

[We Are Syracuse]

What are you basing this on? Other than rebounding name one skill area that you think Thompson will be superior to Moyer in this year. We shall see but Moyer has the potential to a better player than both CJ Fair and Tyler Lydon were as freshmen. He may not get the same PT they did because the team needs are different. Bottom line is with only 10 scholarship players, nobody is getting red-shirted. Especially since every front court player other than Lydon has major questions. Also, you need to look in the mirror and take your name to heart, WE ARE SYRACUSE! Programs at Syracuse's level do not redshirt players that can play. They play them.

And no way will Moyer have any impact CLOSE to what Lydon did last year. That's not fair to Moyer himself. Lydon was awesome last year.

 

[two3zone]

Why do you always attack the poster. Can you just criticize what they are saying. I think the comment "have you ever watched..." is a little strong. And then based on what you said I have no idea what you are thinking. Based on the post you were criticizing, and your expert opinion, how do YOU think JB decides who plays?

Expert opinion? No, it's called common sense. Where is Moyer playing and who's minutes is he taking?

 

[Dave85]

Expert opinion? No, it's called common sense. Where is Moyer playing and who's minutes is he taking?

That's not even close to answering the question. So you think your opinions are common sense and people who do not share your opinions are then what?

 

[two3zone]

That's not even close to answering the question. So you think your opinions are common sense and people who do not share your opinions are then what?

Where does Moyer play and who's minutes does he take away from? Simple question.

 

[Dave85]

I find it ironic that you mocked two3zone's judgment within this very thread and are now up in arms over his response to another poster.

Good point! But I was just trying to get a rise out of him. I thought it was funny. And it wasn't exactly a serious comment or a direct ad hominem attack.

I think the ad hominem attack is little too much scorched earth mother effer type comment. two3zone is like Les Grossman:

 

[Dave85]

Where does Moyer play and who's minutes does he take away from? Simple question.

I will not be like you and I will answer your question. I think JB will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance to win. If Moyer plays better than <<list of entire team goes here>> at the 3 spot, then JB will play Moyer at the 3. I do not think JB plays favorites. He seems to always play whoever he thinks gives us the best chance to win. If that means playing a freshmen a freshmen will get more playing time than a junior or senior.

 

[br801]

Where does Moyer play and who's minutes does he take away from? Simple question.

Depending on whether White comes aboard or not, Moyer, at best, looks to be either 8th of 9, or 9th of 10 in line for minutes. Those guys historically play sparingly for JB once the conference season rolls around.

 

[RF2044]

Depending on whether White comes aboard or not, Moyer, at best, looks to be either 8th of 9, or 9th of 10 in line for minutes. Those guys historically play sparingly for JB once the conference season rolls around.

Moyer is immensely talented, and will have a fine career here. But he might not get much opportunity until next year, a la MCW in 2012, even though he's capable of being a contributor if roster circumstances called for him to be in that role this season.

Lots of guys ahead of him this season--doesn't mean he WON'T play, but it will be an uphill battle for PT. Which isn't a knock against Moyer / his capabilities in any way, shape, or form.

Taurean Thompson is in the same boat. He's another guy talented enough to contribute [former St. Anthony's player, solid low post game] if the team needed him to play. But with Coleman, Chukwu, Lydon, and Roberson ahead of him, he probably won't garner extensive PT.

Put either / both of those guys on last year's roster, with depleted frontcourt depth, and they probably carve out a niche in the rotation? This year? Probably not.

 

[two3zone]

I will not be like you and I will answer your question. I think JB will play whoever he thinks gives him the best chance to win. If Moyer plays better than <<list of entire team goes here>> at the 3 spot, then JB will play Moyer at the 3. I do not think JB plays favorites. He seems to always play whoever he thinks gives us the best chance to win. If that means playing a freshmen a freshmen will get more playing time than a junior or senior.

Your copping out, if we get White and he's a 3, have Lydon who plays the 3/4/5, Roberson at the 4, and 2 capable guys at the 5, who's minutes are going away for Moyer to play? Truth is, probably none of them. Lydon is a possible lottery pick, White is a 5th year sharp shooter, Roberson is our best rebounder by far and DC/72 have the center position locked up. This is the same song and dance when Roberson came in and everyone said he was going to get 20 minutes a game his first year, BJ was going to get big minutes, and now it's Moyer. Same thing that you're saying was said about the previous guys I mentioned and it's the same scenario. We can go back even further and find more evidence of this with the personnel JB has had during his coaching career. If you'd like to place a bet with me that the proceeds go to a charity I would gladly do that.

 

[Dave85]

Your copping out, if we get White and he's a 3, have Lydon who plays the 3/4/5, Roberson at the 4, and 2 capable guys at the 5, who's minutes are going away for Moyer to play? Truth is, probably none of them. Lydon is a possible lottery pick, White is a 5th year sharp shooter, Roberson is our best rebounder by far and DC/72 have the center position locked up. This is the same song and dance when Roberson came in and everyone said he was going to get 20 minutes a game his first year, BJ was going to get big minutes, and now it's Moyer. Same thing that you're saying was said about the previous guys I mentioned and it's the same scenario. We can go back even further and find more evidence of this with the personnel JB has had during his coaching career. If you'd like to place a bet with me that the proceeds go to a charity I would gladly do that.

If I'm going to place bets I'd rather play craps at the casino. At least that way I know the odds. I really haven't seen Moyer play other than his highlight youtube videos which are inherently jaded to be positive. I never thought BJ would get big minutes because he was so skinny. Moyer I think has a chance to play about 10 minutes per game. If he does really well then I think he will get more PT. I would concede Lydon and Roberson are going to get more minutes than Moyer. Moyer versus White is the interesting one. Common sense, whatever that is, probably dictates a top 50 player who's a senior is probably better than a top 100 player who is a freshman. But many times when players commit to Syracuse they drop in the rankings. I would say White gets more PT than Moyer.

However, the reason you and I are having this friendly discussion was I did not like you saying, "Have you ever watched Syracuse basketball? " to this, "Boeheim's going to play the best players', sorry to make this so simple, if he feels MM is the man for the job he's in". I happen to agree with the OP sentiment that JB will play Moyer over White if Moyer plays better than White. I don't see how your judgement of White or Moyer has anything to do with how much Syracuse basketball anyone has watched.

I know you have good things to say. Please do not make commentary about the poster. People say stupid stuff from time to time. Just criticize what they are saying. You don't have to go and make it a personal attack on their experience. Whenever I see you do that the first thing that comes into my head is not, "gee, that guy has good common sense."

 

[IthacaMatt]

While Boeheim gets the final say, this might not be entirely his decision. I would think that if he is skeptical of the playing time Moyer will get, he'll put the ball in Moyer's court (no pun intended). JB has no problem being honest with players, so he could certainly tell Moyer than ACC playing time is not going to be in the cards for him this season and ask the young fella what he wants to do.

He really needs to work on his body. He is a talented young man, but I was kind of hoping he would have bulked up a bit more during his senior year of HS. Looking at the picture of him and Battle the other day, Battle looks much thicker in the chest and shoulders, and he's the guy who plays guard. Matt Moyer has a great approach to the game and is going to be a very good player for us, but he's got to get stronger for the position he plays. He's like a very promising but undersized lineman right now, if you went with a football analogy.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Your copping out, if we get White and he's a 3, have Lydon who plays the 3/4/5, Roberson at the 4, and 2 capable guys at the 5, who's minutes are going away for Moyer to play? Truth is, probably none of them. Lydon is a possible lottery pick, White is a 5th year sharp shooter, Roberson is our best rebounder by far and DC/72 have the center position locked up. This is the same song and dance when Roberson came in and everyone said he was going to get 20 minutes a game his first year, BJ was going to get big minutes, and now it's Moyer. Same thing that you're saying was said about the previous guys I mentioned and it's the same scenario. We can go back even further and find more evidence of this with the personnel JB has had during his coaching career. If you'd like to place a bet with me that the proceeds go to a charity I would gladly do that.

I agree that the final minutes in the rotation will go to either Frank Howard, Taurean Thompson or Matt Moyer. The other 7 guys are going to be a part of the rotation all year. At least until December, these three guys will all get their chances. I think Matt is the biggest longshot, in terms of the physical part of the game and how much smaller he looks than the other guys. But he's got a big heart. I was figuring on Thompson being the 8th guy in the rotation rather than Howard, but that's because I see White more as a guard than a forward for us, because we simply have more quality forwards and more choices than we have guards.

If White comes here, which seems to be in the cards, it's because he will get an opportunity to play the 2, rather than be pushed into playing the 4 at Michigan State.

We got Battle over Michigan and Duke because we promised to give him some time at the point, where he and his Dad see his NBA future. Right now, he plays like a bigger John Wall, but without the 3 point shot. You put the ball in that kid's hands. That's why we got him.

There are going to be times this year (White willing) that we average 6-9 on defense - think of this lineup:

PG: Battle 6-6, SG: White 6-7, SF: Lydon 6-9, PF: Thompson 6-10 , C: Chukwu 7-2

Holy smokes, that's going to be one intimidating zone!

 

[Dave85]

I think Matt is the biggest longshot, in terms of the physical part of the game and how much smaller he looks than the other guys. But he's got a big heart.

The kid has a big brain too. His intelligence might be the difference for him getting PT. He might pickup the nuances of playing 2-3 zone defense better than the competition.

 

[br801]

The kid has a big brain too. His intelligence might be the difference for him getting PT. He might pickup the nuances of playing 2-3 zone defense better than the competition.

 

[Dave85]

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[Janner]

IMO the only way Moyer redshirts is if he tell JB he wants to redshirt. With a 10 man roster JB will not intentionally redshirt anyone. He knows players get injured, drop out for a number of reasons, teams catch the flu, etc . Who knows, maybe Moyer really wants to be a Doctor and wants to get a jump start on that educational path while the school is paying for it, but I would be very surprised to see him redshirt this year.