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My gut is Mali is gone.

if top 20 is the criteria for staying or going as some suggest, then who in the 20 top mock drafts is he jumping over, some still have him in the 70 range so he needs to kill at the combine just to move up into discussing range and thats if he gets into the combine which means he needs to be in the 50 range to get there. someone will really need to be serious to push for hm to get in and looked at.
 
heresjohnny88 said:
Not sure why any fan would be upset at him declaring w/o an agent. Great way for a player to gauge both his draft value + parts of his game that need work. Sure, it's annoying having to wait so long. But if Mal declares, has a great combine, and gets a clear indication he'd be picked in the teens? Good for him. I'd wish him nothing but the best.

If he declares AND hires an agent before the combine/workouts...then that would tell me something very different.
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I don't know if its being upset at him, a lot of fans, and I know I am, are tired of guys leaving after a year or two, especially guys who aren't even lottery picks.
 
even if he does return its about having a good season winning it all would be icing as all us cuse fans have been waiting to long for a title.
I still see Battle and Howard both as more points then SG's and Malachi will add so much dimension to our offense, and let Lydon play inside the arch more.
 
orangefan13 said:
even if he does return its about having a good season winning it all would be icing as all us cuse fans have been waiting to long for a title.
I still see Battle and Howard both as more points then SG's and Malachi will add so much dimension to our offense, and let Lydon play inside the arch more.
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The thing that scares me about a potential Battle/Howard backcourt is the last time we started 2 combo/point guards they shot 29% from three on the season. We are going to need 3's from Lydon. Theres no way around it. He will be our best shooter.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The thing that scares me about a potential Battle/Howard backcourt is the last time we started 2 combo/point guards they shot 29% from three on the season. We are going to need 3's from Lydon. Theres no way around it. He will be our best shooter.
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I think mali will be back (also heard it from a good source today who said that while he expects Mali to test the waters, he expects him to return). I don't think our roster is set. I expect we will add a shooter.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The thing that scares me about a potential Battle/Howard backcourt is the last time we started 2 combo/point guards they shot 29% from three on the season. We are going to need 3's from Lydon. Theres no way around it. He will be our best shooter.
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that and Lydon won't be able to play inside as much or offensive board. Midrange could be good from him, especially for drawing blocking fouls. We really lacked that luxary this year, but still got to the paint.
 
Fyi mal posted a video of him and carmelo tonighr. The good news is theyre talking about cuse. The bad news is, whats he doing hanging out w melo while school is in session
 
jgeorge322 said:
Fyi mal posted a video of him and carmelo tonighr. The good news is theyre talking about cuse. The bad news is, whats he doing hanging out w melo while school is in session
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Knicks played in Philly tonight. Malachi is from nearby Trenton, NJ. Sounds like he went home for the weekend(normal), and met up with Melo (not normal, unless you're fresh off leading Melo's school to the final 4 and Melo happens to be playing an NBA game a half hour from your home.)
 
dasher said:
It's Friday. The last three weeks he has been away from school on Fridays. Your worried now? More likely than not that he comes back.
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Worried is probablt an overstatement but sure thing bud
 
OrangeDW said:
Knicks played in Philly tonight. Malachi is from nearby Trenton, NJ. Sounds like he went home for the weekend(normal), and met up with Melo (not normal, unless you're fresh off leading Melo's school to the final 4 and Melo happens to be playing an NBA game a half hour from your home.)
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Yeah, it's an easy trip, but if you're getting from Trenton to South Philly in a half hour you'll probably have a few cars with flashing red and blue lights right behind you.
 
SUFan44 said:
You don't think the difference between $2M this year vs. $10M next year is substantial?

With taxes, agent fees, personal trainer fees and the first paycheck spending spree, that $2M isn't going to last forever and is not as life changing an opportunity as it appears on paper.

Again, I'm not advocating one way or another for anyone to leave or not leave but that statement is simply not true.
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I think he said the "possibility" of 10 next yr. And so the chance of nothing next year, or 2 mil now.
 
pulaski74 said:
I think he said the "possibility" of 10 next yr. And so the chance of nothing next year, or 2 mil now.
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There's less of a chance of him getting "nothing next year" than him getting 10 million next year.
 
Orange Barrel said:
Yeah, it's an easy trip, but if you're getting from Trenton to South Philly in a half hour you'll probably have a few cars with flashing red and blue lights right behind you.
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Amtrak?
 
NYCSUGrad said:
Frankly based just on the stats it shouldn't be Mali he gone but Lydon he gone.
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This is the ironic part. I think lydon is clearly the better nba prospect. I thought that was evident all season.
 
jgeorge322 said:
This is the ironic part. I think lydon is clearly the better nba prospect. I thought that was evident all season.
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I don't think it's close personally. Then again, hard to predict.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The thing that scares me about a potential Battle/Howard backcourt is the last time we started 2 combo/point guards they shot 29% from three on the season. We are going to need 3's from Lydon. Theres no way around it. He will be our best shooter.
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Was this MCW/Triche or Triche/Scoop? Either way we were ranked #1 several times, and made the Final Four with that.
 
We got to a Final Four because of this kid so his legacy is safe. I am being honest when I say I don't see him even close to being ready for the NBA tight now.

He needs to improve his consistency. I get wanting to play in the NBA its all players dreams but isn't aguaanteed first round pick and going could kill his long term abilities. Declare and go thru the process.
 
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EastCoast2 said:
Was this MCW/Triche or Triche/Scoop? Either way we were ranked #1 several times, and made the Final Four with that.
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Triche/MCW shot 29 percent from three. It wasn't a huge deal cause they were good at everything else besides shooting.
 
Cusefan0307 said:
The thing that scares me about a potential Battle/Howard backcourt is the last time we started 2 combo/point guards they shot 29% from three on the season. We are going to need 3's from Lydon. Theres no way around it. He will be our best shooter.
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I'm not sure it's as much about the label 'combo' vs. 'point' as much as it is that the likely result of a Battle/Howard backcourt is that we won't have a shooter. Mali is a huge piece of what we're trying to do next season. Although, having said that, there are still reasons to like a group w/o Mali.

The team you're referencing (I'm guessing the Final Four group in '13), sticks out as struggling offensively largely due to the issues MCW had being the go-to guy. So yes, he struggled from 3 (.292) but the bigger issue is that his overall field goal percentage was atrocious due to struggles finishing at the rim or in the mid-range (sagging defenses certainly didn't help). He shot just .436 on two-point FGs. That's not good. We somehow made it to the finals of the BET with him hitting a total of 9 FGs in four games. Think about that -- he's handling the ball the whole game, is clearly the team's most talented player, is playing essentially 40 mpg and he averaged just over 2 FGs a game. Ouch. Aside from him it was Triche and Southerland (neither a creator for the most part, though Triche came on a bit in the tourney) and Fair, who was really, really solid. But that was the whole offense.

I don't know what they'll get from the new big men (Chuckwu and Moyer) but the indications are that Battle should be a threat offensively and we know Lydon was good this year with a good chance to be better next season. Roberson finished strong and should contribute. Howard is a wild card but seems like he could be a really solid facilitator and Coleman is unlikely to be a big threat but could be a guy who goes for 7 and 6 and contributes a decent amount.

Not sure that's teh makings of a top 15 team, but I would feel better about that offense at first blush than I did about that 12-13 team.
 
billsin01 said:
I'm not sure it's as much about the label 'combo' vs. 'point' as much as it is that the likely result of a Battle/Howard backcourt is that we won't have a shooter. Mali is a huge piece of what we're trying to do next season. Although, having said that, there are still reasons to like a group w/o Mali.

The team you're referencing (I'm guessing the Final Four group in '13), sticks out as struggling offensively largely due to the issues MCW had being the go-to guy. So yes, he struggled from 3 (.292) but the bigger issue is that his overall field goal percentage was atrocious due to struggles finishing at the rim or in the mid-range (sagging defenses certainly didn't help). He shot just .436 on two-point FGs. That's not good. We somehow made it to the finals of the BET with him hitting a total of 9 FGs in four games. Think about that -- he's handling the ball the whole game, is clearly the team's most talented player, is playing essentially 40 mpg and he averaged just over 2 FGs a game. Ouch. Aside from him it was Triche and Southerland (neither a creator for the most part, though Triche came on a bit in the tourney) and Fair, who was really, really solid. But that was the whole offense.

I don't know what they'll get from the new big men (Chuckwu and Moyer) but the indications are that Battle should be a threat offensively and we know Lydon was good this year with a good chance to be better next season. Roberson finished strong and should contribute. Howard is a wild card but seems like he could be a really solid facilitator and Coleman is unlikely to be a big threat but could be a guy who goes for 7 and 6 and contributes a decent amount.

Not sure that's teh makings of a top 15 team, but I would feel better about that offense at first blush than I did about that 12-13 team.
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MCW was a great player, but he was more a distributor than a go to guy. Triche and Fair were the leading scorers and took the most shots on that team. Both of them were a lot more efficient from the field than MCW, just none of them were great 3pt shooters outside of Southerland.

I just worry that next year Howard/battle wouldn't be great from the three point line and we would see a lot of sagging defenses.
 
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