My name is dasher, and I have a problem

[Dmcnabbrules]

I am most disappointed in the staff evaluations of their own offensive lineman. Is Vetterollo really that much better in practice? We are in the ACC we should have able to find someone in the transfer world who could help. Alexander was honorable mention in a garbage conference. That’s not good enough.

 

[billsin01]

We had no choice but to go to the ACC. But you know that. Without Basketball as an enticement, we may have ended up in the AAC with UConn or instead of UConn.

I am also concerned about our long term ability to compete. Football competence seems to be drifting southward. Watching the SEC on TV is like watching some college - pro hybrid.

Money won't solve the problem. Clemson isn't good because it is paying Dabo $9M a year. Dabo is getting $9M a year because Clemson is good.

I'm with you on the ACC, unless we just decided to basically sacrifice football, which would have sucked. So our hand was forced. I think I was more speaking about my lack of enthusiasm vs. what I think most people felt was a lifeline (which in some ways it was, I suppose).

My point on Dabo was more the general commitment of the factories and big-time schools to football and the difficulties keeping up with the joneses when you're athletics department isn't diving in the same way. I'm not even judging the athletics department on that. Just stating that if you're not doing that and making that kind of massive investment, you're going to have a tough time keeping up on the field. We aren't doing either and I"m not sure it's going to change, which leads me to wonder how realistic it is to think we follow up occasional 10+ win seasons with consistent 8+ win seasons and produce a bunch of NFL talent. I know it's possible, just wonder, realistically, how hard that task truly is.

 

[cuseguy]

The irony here is that Wake Forest, tiny Wake Forest with no football history, is headed for its fourth straight winning season. The Deacs have won three straight bowls. BC folks aren’t crazy for Addazio, but he gets them to a bowl just about every year. Same with PItt. These are our peers.

It’s crazy to routinely expect 8 or 9 win seasons, but SU should be able to produce a number of 6 or 7 win seasons.

 

[Millhouse]

The irony here is that Wake Forest, tiny Wake Forest with no football history, is headed for its fourth straight winning season. The Deacs have won three straight bowls. BC folks aren’t crazy for Addazio, but he gets them to a bowl just about every year. Same with PItt. These are our peers.

It’s crazy to routinely expect 8 or 9 win seasons, but SU should be able to produce a number of 6 or 7 win seasons.

dave clawson is 34-36 there
addazio is 42-42

i think babers will be better than that 30-40 games from now

 

[CuseLegacy]

The irony here is that Wake Forest, tiny Wake Forest with no football history, is headed for its fourth straight winning season. The Deacs have won three straight bowls. BC folks aren’t crazy for Addazio, but he gets them to a bowl just about every year. Same with PItt. These are our peers.

It’s crazy to routinely expect 8 or 9 win seasons, but SU should be able to produce a number of 6 or 7 win seasons.

Grobe left Clawson plenty of talent and depth. Clawson went 3-9, 3-9 and 7-6 his first three years at Wake. Plus Clawson basically had the benefit of a 4 year starter at QB in Wolford.

 

[Millhouse]

dave clawson is 34-36 there
addazio is 42-42

i think babers will be better than that 30-40 games from now

clawson hasn't won more than 8 there. addazio's never won more than 7.

 

[billsin01]

Competing with Clemson? Sure. That has no bearing on our ability to compete with almost everyone else we will have on our schedule.

I should clarify. Everyone talks of relevance and to me this means you're a pretty good team every year (or at least almost every year) and then you're occasionally really good and/or get a few breaks along the way to make a push for a conference title and a good bowl.

For example, from '87-'01 we were never below .500 (maybe a tad unrealistic) and had a bunch of 9+ win seasons. Spent a bunch of time in the top 25.

Conversely, from '02 until today we've been through a bunch of coaches and have six seasons north of .500 ( out of 18 if we don't get there this year) and have just two appearances in the top 25 -- last season and then the preseason rankings this year which are long since in the rear view.

So we're not competing we clemson, we can all understand that. But I wonder if we (and the same goes for basically every northeast school outside of PedState -- maryland/pitt/rutgers/bc/cuse) can really expect to cultivate a consistently competitive program to what we got accustomed to in the 80s/90s? I hope so but I really don't know. I tend to feel the answer is no.

 

[cuseguy]

dave clawson is 34-36 there
addazio is 42-42

i think babers will be better than that 30-40 games from now

I hope so. I really do. But I doubt it. I don’t think Babers will be here if he has another losing season next year. Our fans are already jumping ship coming off a 10-3 season. Can you imagine what it will be like with a 4-8 or 5-7 season next year?

 

[Millhouse]

Grobe left Clawson plenty of talent and depth. Clawson went 3-9, 3-9 and 7-6 his first three years at Wake. Plus Clawson basically had the benefit of a 5 year starter at QB.

narduzzi had a better cupboard than babers, he's 33-27, never more than 8 wins in a season

clawson is a good coach, 6 wins already, he's looking at 10 wins this year.

 

[Millhouse]

I hope so. I really do. But I doubt it. I don’t think Babers will be here if he has another losing season next year. Our fans are already jumping ship coming off a 10-3 season. Can you imagine what it will be like with a 4-8 or 5-7 season next year?

oh please, since when do fans jumping ship matter?

 

[CuseLegacy]

narduzzi had a better cupboard than babers, he's 33-27, never more than 8 wins in a season

clawson is a good coach, 6 wins already, he's looking at 10 wins this year.

I didn't say that Clawson couldn't coach, just that he had more depth to start with at Wake than Babers at SU.

 

[cuseguy]

clawson hasn't won more than 8 there. addazio's never won more than 7.

It doesn’t matter. They’re going to bowl games every year. We’d sign up for that in a second. SU isn’t winning 8 or 9 games on a consistent basis. It could be 4 or 5 more years before that happens again, and that may be a reach.

 

[Millhouse]

Grobe left Clawson plenty of talent and depth. Clawson went 3-9, 3-9 and 7-6 his first three years at Wake. Plus Clawson basically had the benefit of a 4 year starter at QB in Wolford.

they suffered quite a bit to get that half season where he mastered the RPO

he was so great his senior year and hardly anyone nationally knew about it.

 

[CuseLegacy]

they suffered quite a bit to get that half season where he mastered the RPO

he was so great his senior year and hardly anyone nationally knew about it.

Kind of like a Dungey or a Nassib.

 

[Millhouse]

It doesn’t matter. They’re going to bowl games every year. We’d sign up for that in a second. SU isn’t winning 8 or 9 games on a consistent basis. It could be 4 or 5 more years before that happens again, and that may be a reach.

i think you're freaking out too much. the line sucks. that means we won't win 8 games until 2025? come one

 

[TheCusian]

I hope so. I really do. But I doubt it. I don’t think Babers will be here if he has another losing season next year. Our fans are already jumping ship coming off a 10-3 season. Can you imagine what it will be like with a 4-8 or 5-7 season next year?

Fan support is a dumb indicator. We know this because we read posts here and attend games. I think the question is “can this coach build a consistently good team at Syracuse” and that’s Wildhacks question to answer.

I‘d bet he’s less sure than he was.

 

[cuseguy]

oh please, since when do fans jumping ship matter?

It matters to Babers. It matters with recruiting. It mattered for a number of years just recently.

 

[Millhouse]

Kind of like a Dungey or a Nassib.

he was better than both of them his senior year - this is a good example of how underrated he was

 

[TheCusian]

It doesn’t matter. They’re going to bowl games every year. We’d sign up for that in a second. SU isn’t winning 8 or 9 games on a consistent basis. It could be 4 or 5 more years before that happens again, and that may be a reach.

you saw last season coming?

I think I can live with 4-8, 4-8, 10-3 just as well as 7-6, 7-6, 7-6. I also don’t think we’re destined for that. I still have faith in Dino.

 

[Millhouse]

Fan support is a dumb indicator. We know this because we read posts here and attend games. I think the question is “can this coach build a consistently good team at Syracuse” and that’s Wildhacks question to answer.

I‘d bet he’s less sure than he was.

there is not much heat on him. cuseguy doesn't like him so he gives more weight to people who complain. i like him so i ignore the rejects in 309 the best i can. they've had some big crowds and big wins at home, they stink this year so there no shows, same as it ever was

 

[Cusefan0307]

Good lord some of the same posters claiming Dino will get fired after next year were the same people who had him pegged for USC after last season's 10 wins. With that attitude we don't deserve a good coach.

 

[cuseguy]

i think you're freaking out too much. the line sucks. that means we won't win 8 games until 2025? come one

Well, it’s not just the OL. But that’s another matter for another time. I hope Babers is still here in 2025. That’ll mean we’ve enjoyed some success.

 

[cuseguy]

there is not much heat on him. cuseguy doesn't like him so he gives more weight to people who complain. i like him so i ignore the rejects in 309 the best i can. they've had some big crowds and big wins at home, they stink this year so there no shows, same as it ever was

I actually like Babers. A lot. But he doesn’t get a pass all the time. And compared to many other years, there haven’t been as many no shows. I have season tickets. I’ll be there Saturday.

 

[cuseguy]

you saw last season coming?

I think I can live with 4-8, 4-8, 10-3 just as well as 7-6, 7-6, 7-6. I also don’t think we’re destined for that. I still have faith in Dino.

I didn’t see last year coming. But I thought the ceiling this year was 7 wins.

 

[billsin01]

The irony here is that Wake Forest, tiny Wake Forest with no football history, is headed for its fourth straight winning season. The Deacs have won three straight bowls. BC folks aren’t crazy for Addazio, but he gets them to a bowl just about every year. Same with PItt. These are our peers.

It’s crazy to routinely expect 8 or 9 win seasons, but SU should be able to produce a number of 6 or 7 win seasons.

Wake is located in North Carolina which doesn't hurt from a recruiting base standpoint particularly playing in a conference that is mostly located in the southeast. But, regardless, i do think the goal is to expect something around an 8-win season more often than not. I'm not saying we get there or that it's even possible to get there but 6-6 seasons basically mean scheduling three wins with mid-majors/FCS teams and then going 3-6 in the rest of the games. I guess that's OK but I'm not sure I'd call that relevance.

To be clear, I agree 6-6/7-6 could be our ceiling most of the time, I just wouldn't define that as particularly relevant and my point is that returning to football relevance seems far-fetched with where we stand in the landscape of college football.