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my thoughts on why davis is doing this

but unfortunately its a dim bulb and they aren't smart enough to allege acts within the SOL. Its like the hold up where the burglar shoots and kills the store owner and then makes off with only $50 from the register.
 
You guys have to admit, though, that Davis' interviews look pretty damn convincing.

He either...

(a) was really sexually abused by Fine
(b) was abused by someone else and is directing the emotion caused by that abuse towards Fine (for whatever reason) in his interviews
(c) should be in Hollywood winning Academy Awards
 
orangenirvana said:
You guys have to admit, though, that Davis' interviews look pretty damn convincing.

He either...

(a) was really sexually abused by Fine
(b) was abused by someone else and is directing the emotion caused by that abuse towards Fine (for whatever reason) in his interviews
(c) should be in Hollywood winning Academy Awards
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Tend to agree and then you see his stepbrother and it loses a lot of credibility, something is weird with Lang stepping forward NOW
 
most noticeable to me is the emotion comes after he rolls into allegations. It's a build up factor. Talking about something so horrible let's him target his emotions better. Add in the effect of drugs and or alcohol and there you have it. To me it would be much more convincing if the emotions occurred during the early part of the interview vs bobby taking his way into an emotional breakdown. He seemed to have no issue talking about what happened and then worked up a breakdown to finish with. He clearly has dealt with some life challenges but Bernie Fine is just a way out right now ... That's my opinion anyways.
 
Orangezoo said:
most noticeable to me is the emotion comes after he rolls into allegations. It's a build up factor. Talking about something so horrible let's him target his emotions better. Add in the effect of drugs and or alcohol and there you have it. To me it would be much more convincing if the emotions occurred during the early part of the interview vs bobby taking his way into an emotional breakdown. He seemed to have no issue talking about what happened and then worked up a breakdown to finish with. He clearly has dealt with some life challenges but Bernie Fine is just a way out right now ... That's my opinion anyways.
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Very good point, building up into a tear filled finale isnt as hard to fake as the other way.
 
I'll say this: my father and mother have devoted their lives to helping hood kids/troubled kids/de facto orphans, etc. How many of those kids would you guess threatened my parents (or me or my siblings) for cutting them off after stealing our car or refusing to give them $ for a fix at 2:00am? Ive had to deal with that isht my whole life. The only funny story was when one kid stole my bike and tried to sell it back to us later, and got really upset when my father only gave him $10 out of pity. The saddest story was a mother who called "contact 6" fox investigation and made up a bunch of hooey on my parents when my mother chastised her for selling the kids' Xmas gifts for crack. Thankfully, unlike ESPN, contact 6 dropped the story immediately... That is, they never even published it.

Anyone that works with troubled kids knows that they usually strike out against the easy target, instead of the abusive mother/father. I'm not saying Bernie's innocent, but when the story broke that triggered a lot of those memories of being so confused why these folks my parents were devoted to would steal from and threaten the very people who helped them. With age that confusion has dissolved, and thank God that many of those kids turned out ok.

In fact, keep your eyes peeled for a kid named Matthew M. Williams out of Milwaukee. He's a great kid and I expect he'll be a Marquette Golden Eagle in a few years.

Regardless, I'm biased because I see BF as I see my parents, someone who tried to help and was betrayed. Trying to stay objective, tho.


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orangenirvana said:
You guys have to admit, though, that Davis' interviews look pretty damn convincing.

He either...

(a) was really sexually abused by Fine
(b) was abused by someone else and is directing the emotion caused by that abuse towards Fine (for whatever reason) in his interviews
(c) should be in Hollywood winning Academy Awards
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Thats why we need Davis high school acting teacher to come out for Syracuse the community.
 
I think its all about money like JB said.

If these actions only happened at Fines house would the university be involved at all??

If he molested people on the road then why did he stop doing it on the road all of a sudden but keep doing it at home?

The accusers were die hard syracuse fans why would they try to ruin the program unless they want to take down JB?
It has nothing to do with justice against Bernie.

They sold their fanhood for money. They had enough to bury Bernie just making the allegations at his house.
 
orangefan13 said:
I think its all about money like JB said.

If these actions only happened at Fines house would the university be involved at all??

If he molested people on the road then why did he stop doing it on the road all of a sudden but keep doing it at home?

The accusers were die hard syracuse fans why would they try to ruin the program unless they want to take down JB?
It has nothing to do with justice against Bernie.

They sold their fanhood for money. They had enough to bury Bernie just making the allegations at his house.
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Even better is that they waited until the start of the bball season and when Syracuse is ranked in the top 5, to get the most media attention. Wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz is paying them under the table for this crap.
 
Yeah howbout doing it for the kids of syracuse basketball to (or did they forget them for the other kids).

Same with espn. Great Job putting unclassy people on there who want to get paid for life by doing nothing. Way to go. So fast for a story and look what it tells about espn. Oh Lord
 
retro44 said:
here's the deal ...fine loans davis 5,000 cash in'97 or '99 if i remember correctly.then fine wants repayment in '02 and davis says b.s. i'm not paying you a penny and davis then tries to blackmail fine into not repaying the loan.davis starts making phone calls to espn and the post create this story. also calls the spd to try to make it look like a real threat

that is the main reason why the four others did not hear a thing about prior abuse,including lang and his mother.here comes the penn st. deal and many millions of dollars is what most people are saying what the victims will get.

langs lightbulb finally comes on after 45 years and all he sees is $$$$$ signs thanks to joe pa.
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Does anyone know if Davis contacted Schwartz or vice versa yet? You have some loser sitting around doing nothing. If Schwartz suddenly calls, what do you think is going to happen? He's already tried to go forward with these allegations so at that point his options are to tell Schwartz he was lying back then (embarrassing), or to say he was abused and in the wake of the Penn State scandal to become a star (at least in his own mind - or maybe to simply avoid the feeling of embarrassment that would come along with admitting to Schwartz he was lying).

Maybe if he had a few days to think about things he would have chosen differently, but someone like that, making a split second decision - he probably opts for the attention. He calls his brother-in-law and we're off to the races. He's important again - something that hasn't happened for a long time. Could be as simple as that. Who knows.
 
Ghost said:
Does anyone know if Davis contacted Schwartz or vice versa yet? You have some loser sitting around doing nothing. If Schwartz suddenly calls, what do you think is going to happen? He's already tried to go forward with these allegations so at that point his options are to tell Schwartz he was lying back then (embarrassing), or to say he was abused and in the wake of the Penn State scandal to become a star (at least in his own mind - or maybe to simply avoid the feeling of embarrassment that would come along with admitting to Schwartz he was lying).
Maybe if he had a few days to think about things he would have chosen differently, but someone like that, making a split second decision - he probably opts for the attention. He calls his brother-in-law and we're off to the races. He's important again - something that hasn't happened for a long time. Could be as simple as that. Who knows.
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This should be easy to verify. I'm sure the SPD is going to check phone records to determine who contacted who. If these dimbulbs are trying to get money from Bernie or exact some kind of revenge, I'm not so sure they would be bright enough to make sure that they would call ESPN/Schwarz from a phone line not associated with them.
 
What do they say about people who blink alot during interviews? Watching the video and hearing the conflicting evidence, I just have issues with the both of these fellas. In his interview, this guy is all over the place.

Body Language:
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-can-i-tell-if-someone-is-lying-to-me
Interview:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/es-7260720/otl_syracuse_allegations/
More on Body Language:
http://www.ehow.com/video_4438797_tell-someone-lying-body-language.html
Interesting Article on Rape Accusations (false accusations half way down):
http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/

I have no idea how this is going to all turn out. Just real fishy.
 
orangenirvana said:
Do you realize how difficult it is to cry on demand like you're assuming Davis did? Hell, most actors (even the successful and famous ones) can't even do it.
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Not saying it's not, but there are plenty of people who can make themselves cry on demand. And he wasn't crying when describing what was done to him. That's the weird part. It was at the very end of the interview, almost like someone was saying "now you should cry." And it's not like he burst into tears, he took 15 seconds to build up to it. It's not like his eyes were welling up and then it started. He leaned down, head in his hands (where you couldn't see his hands and he very well could've been doing something to force himself to cry), paused for 5 seconds or longer, and then looked up, and then a few seconds later, a couple of tears came out. I know we're probably overanalyzing crying, but just didn't look right to me.

Also, watch the interview and look at his eyes. He blinks very very rapidly, and his eyes dart all over the place. It just seemed very weird.

My wife, who knew very little about the whole situation, watched the OTL special yesterday with me. After 10 seconds of the interview, my wife said, "he's lying. He can't sit still, and he can't keep eye contact. He's all over the place, he's hiding something."

I hadn't read too much into the body language to that point but I found it interesting that she picked up on that right away (she's very perceptive about things like this to, and right a vast majority of the time).
 
I personally found them both very questionable in the interviews. Not to say that they are lying just that if I ran across someone in everyday life and they represented themselves that way that I would not trust them and have my guard up right away.
 
If indeed the accusations against Bernie Fine are bogus, I think the only thing that makes sense to me so far is that Davis had no real father and felt that Bernie let him down, too. Davis wanted to play Basketball and Bernie could have done something to get him a place and didn't deliver. Davis seems to me to be bitter that his life hasn't turned out how he wanted, with Bernie Fine as the fall guy. I'm not unbiased. I know I'm not. I can't believe the accusations against Bernie Fine and haven't heard anything that would change that opinion. In order for that to stay that way, Davis has to be lying. Davis should have been pleased that SU would take him on as a ballboy. He has to be carrying bitterness over SOMETHING in order to do this to Bernie, if indeed he's lying. It just seems that money can't be all of it.
 
orangenirvana said:
Do you realize how difficult it is to cry on demand like you're assuming Davis did? Hell, most actors (even the successful and famous ones) can't even do it.
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Please watch the tape again.
 
It's been mentioned a million times on this board and other boards by people who actually worked with abuse victims is that they often place blame from being sexually abused by their parents onto people who are actually trying to help them. All that his crying can prove is that in all likelyhood he was abused by his parents as a kid. Recalling that can make him cry. Due to his mental instability and refusal to cope he is placing that on someone else who has wronged him.

Second explanation is he is obviously on drugs and is completely insane. Those people can cry too.
 
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