Navy to BE in 2015

[Upstate]

as a Football-only, according to Joe Schad of ESPN

 

[Stern]

ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

 

[cuseguy]

actually a good addition. navy is better than maryland.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

2015!? Does this mean they join the year Villanova goes DI?

 

[Frozen]

Per ESPN's Joe Schad.

 

[Scooch]

Maybe Navy just said no prior to now, but this is exactly the kind of development that kills me. Not that adding Navy would ever had stabilized BEFC membership, but it's the kind of proactive step that should have been taken years ago.

It is uncanny how this league is always a day late and a dollar short.

 

[TexanMark]

I think 2015 is due to the CBS College Sports contract. USAFA might be forced to join now.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

At least it makes sense.

Houston, SMU, SDSU, and Boise on the other hand.....

 

[Cuseman78]

So glad we aren't part of this conference of misfits. Another bad addition to a mess of a conference.

 

[sutomcat]

This gives them plenty of time to bail out if/when UC and UL leave for the Big 12...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Maybe Navy just said no prior to now, but this is exactly the kind of development that kills me. Not that adding Navy would ever had stabilized BEFC membership, but it's the kind of proactive step that should have been taken years ago.

It is uncanny how this league is always a day late and a dollar short.

Navy has been saying NO to the BE for years.

 

[OrangePA]

ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I don't see this as funny.

The Navy program has been a very solid program over the past few years.

Highly respected - national program - probably good TV ratings.

Adding Navy along with SMU, UCF, Boise State, San Diego State, University of Houston is a real positive - not a laugh a minute.

Some can try all they want to hope that the BE is devolving. The fact is that on the whole the conference is getting better. While the loss of WVU hurts, the same is really not all that true - in terms of football as it stands right now - when discussing Pitt and SU.

 

[Noexcuse]

I don't see this as funny.

The Navy program has been a very solid program over the past few years.

Highly respected - national program - probably good TV ratings.

Adding Navy along with SMU, UCF, Boise State, San Diego State, University of Houston is a real positive - not a laugh a minute.

Some can try all they want to hope that the BE is devolving. The fact is that on the whole the conference is getting better. While the loss of WVU hurts, the same is really not all that true - in terms of football as it stands right now - when discussing Pitt and SU.

Agree on Navy. Boise State is definitely a positive and will most likely be football king of this conference as are in the one they are in now. It's just that there is more to a conference than pulling in a bunch of teams together for the sake of having something you can call a conference. History and rivalries and natural matchups all play a major role, and there are the other sports to consider as well. Not having played a single game yet or having negotiated a contract it will be interesting to see if the conference will be able to sustain itself or whether it will implode due to financial pressures. One thing is for sure, you can bet that UConn, Rutgers, Cinci and Louisville will bolt the first chance they get and are likely working the phones as we speak trying to be the first to get out.

 

[Cuseman78]

I don't see this as funny.

The Navy program has been a very solid program over the past few years.

Highly respected - national program - probably good TV ratings.

Adding Navy along with SMU, UCF, Boise State, San Diego State, University of Houston is a real positive - not a laugh a minute.

Some can try all they want to hope that the BE is devolving. The fact is that on the whole the conference is getting better. While the loss of WVU hurts, the same is really not all that true - in terms of football as it stands right now - when discussing Pitt and SU.

You are out of your mind. I really don't think you grasp the whole "brand" issue. The fact is the Big East is trying to keep its head above water by cobbling together teams from across the country. Schools that have absolutely no common bond in athletic history, geography etc.

Its a model that will ultimately fail and the BE is absolutely, in no way, improving. The last 5 years aside, if you think any conference would choose to have a commuter school like University of Houston over a brand name athletic program like Pitt, Syracuse, or WVU, well I don't know what to tell you.

 

[sutomcat]

actually a good addition. navy is better than maryland.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they play a full conference schedule against BCS opponents. I think they are going to find it harder going...they are by nature undersized and may get worn down pretty badly.

What do the divisions look like if the BE doesn't lose anyone else?

East
Navy
UConn
Rutgers
USF
UCF
UC

West
Louisville
San Diego St
Boise
Houston
SMU
Air Force?

I would think they would have one rival in the opposite division you play each season, like the ACC, so UC will continue to play UL and Air Force will always play Navy.

It really isn't a bad football league. But it isn't the ACC either.

 

[Noexcuse]

Some can try all they want to hope that the BE is devolving. The fact is that on the whole the conference is getting better. While the loss of WVU hurts, the same is really not all that true - in terms of football as it stands right now - when discussing Pitt and SU.

Personally, I'm not hoping for the demise of the Big East, but I won't follow it much after we are out. Losing VT, Miami and BC in 2003 and allowing schools to compete in some sports and not others and giving them equal weight in the decision making process really was the beginning of the demise, imo.

 

[echosofmanley]

So glad we aren't part of this conference of misfits. Another bad addition to a mess of a conference.

They have a noon start in every time zone. Mess? ...maybe? NFL Model......

The football side is way better, BE will be with us for a long time.

 

[echosofmanley]

2015!? Does this mean they join the year Villanova goes DI?

Looking like Nova just cant do the fb move due to $.
On their eastern side:Temple (yes, I'm serious) is on the clock...

 

[OrangePA]

You are out of your mind. I really don't think you grasp the whole "brand" issue. The fact is the Big East is trying to keep its head above water by cobbling together teams from across the country. Schools that have absolutely no common bond in athletic history, geography etc.

Its a model that will ultimately fail and the BE is absolutely, in no way, improving. The last 5 years aside, if you think any conference would choose to have a commuter school like University of Houston over a brand name athletic program like Pitt, Syracuse, or WVU, well I don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, and Colorado and USC have geographic and historical relationships.

And Texas A&M and Georgia have geographic and historical relationships.

And WVU and Kansas have geographic and historical relationships.

And Nebraska and Northwestern have geographic and historical relationships.

Before you start questioning somebody's "mind" you should probably review the modern evoluation of college football conferences - the fact that TV not geography or tradition, is driving the alignment process.

By expanding its brand across the USA to include large markets that have decent college football teams, the Big East is developing a much stronger TV package.

Oh, and by the way, the commuter school went 11-1 and beat Penn State pretty badly in its bowl game. Another small school Boise State had a pretty good year as well.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It will be interesting to see what happens when they play a full conference schedule against BCS opponents. I think they are going to find it harder going...they are by nature undersized and may get worn down pretty badly.

What do the divisions look like if the BE doesn't lose anyone else?

East
Navy
UConn
Rutgers
USF
UCF
UC

West
Louisville
San Diego St
Boise
Houston
SMU
Air Force?

I would think they would have one rival in the opposite division you play each season, like the ACC, so UC will continue to play UL and Air Force will always play Navy.

It really isn't a bad football league. Very CUSA circa 1995.

Maybe Temple as a FB only instead of AF. Move Cinci to the West.

 

[Noexcuse]

Yeah, and Colorado and USC have geographic and historical relationships.

And Texas A&M and Georgia have geographic and historical relationships.

And WVU and Kansas have geographic and historical relationships.

And Nebraska and Northwestern have geographic and historical relationships.

Before you start questioning somebody's "mind" you should probably review the modern evoluation of college football conferences - the fact that TV not geography or tradition, is driving the alignment process.

By expanding its brand across the USA to include large markets that have decent college football teams, the Big East is developing a much stronger TV package.

Oh, and by the way, the commuter school went 11-1 and beat Penn State pretty badly in its bowl game. Another small school Boise State had a pretty good year as well.

I guess we will just have to see how it plays out. One thing the Big East does not have that the other conferences have is an extended period of football league stability and programs that have sustained excellence. It's something that may happen but the conference could change again at any moment so who knows?

 

[Moontan]

Big East football has become BCS-lite.

"Do you have a football program that you feel deserves to be in a BCS conference?
Is your program not getting the recognition that it deserves?
Come join the Big East!

Lots of football programs have played here to show that they're worthy of full BCS affiliation.
You'll get improved competition and national TV exposure. There are even occasional trips to Florida and Southern California to let you work on your tan.

Successful graduates include Miami, BC, VPI, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and WVU.
The only long-term failure has been Rutgers, but they've got all of NJ pitching in $ to make it happen.

Applications are available now.
And, if you're not ready to make that commitment... check back next year as other openings are expected soon.

Join the Big East now and be a BCS success story in a few years!"

 

[Cuseman78]

Yeah, and Colorado and USC have geographic and historical relationships.

And Texas A&M and Georgia have geographic and historical relationships.

And WVU and Kansas have geographic and historical relationships.

And Nebraska and Northwestern have geographic and historical relationships.

Before you start questioning somebody's "mind" you should probably review the modern evoluation of college football conferences - the fact that TV not geography or tradition, is driving the alignment process.

By expanding its brand across the USA to include large markets that have decent college football teams, the Big East is developing a much stronger TV package.

Oh, and by the way, the commuter school went 11-1 and beat Penn State pretty badly in its bowl game. Another small school Boise State had a pretty good year as well.

Are you really trying to compare BCS programs like Colorado, Kansas, USC, WVU with schools like Houston and Central Florida? The Big East is simply cobbling together mediocre football programs based out of desperation. The rest of big-time college football isn't grabbing non-BCS schools and trying to "make it work".

There are haves and there are have nots. The new BE conference is clearly a "have not". They are making the best of what they have but it will ultimately be deemed a failure (see: ConferenceUSA). If there is an opportunity for any of the current BCS members (Rutgers, UConn, Louisville, etc) to move to a superior conference, they would be gone in a heartbeat. Thats all you need to know and will be the demise of the conference.

As far as Houston is concerned, I have no words. That's just short-term thinking at its finest. Let's invite teams based upon a 2 year run of success. Tremendous idea. And I will say it again, you don't get the concept of brand name AT ALL. Sounds like you would be happier staying in this minor-league disaster.

 

[echosofmanley]

Media types think.=NBC
ND FB is the flagship. New BE gets TV contract from NBC and the new MWC/CON USA will be NBC's secondary league.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Looking like Nova just cant do the fb move due to $.
On their eastern side:Temple (yes, I'm serious) is on the clock...

You'd think that, but according to some Nova insiders on TOS there is still serious interest among the Board of Trustees and President for a move up from FCS. Nova is going to have to spend some serious money for on-campus practice facilities anyway. The biggest sticking points have been resolving the stadium issue and organizing the necessary capital campaign. Marinatto is still supportive of Villanova's candidacy for BE Football as well, and has backed Nova's efforts to stall Temple's move to the BE.