NBA 2018-2019

[Alsacs]

On the flip side, I think it would be fun to see some of these past great defensive players/teams get to defend with today's rules.

A Rodman/Scottie/Jordan/Harper/Kukoc line up that could play the trapping, switch everything roaming off the ball defense as opposed to the more strict man-to-man rules could have been really dangerous and a lot of fun.

If 1987-1993 Michael Jordan played in today’s game he would average more than 40ppg.
Jordan dealt with hard fouls and hand checking. If Jordan couldn’t be hand checked he gets atleast 10 FTAs per game just driving the ball.

Jordan 1996-1998 wasn’t the same athlete but developed that post game.
Jordan 1988-1993 was an insane athlete and would be unstoppable in today’s game.

 

[Horn88]

If 1987-1993 Michael Jordan played in today’s game he would average more than 40ppg.
Jordan dealt with hard fouls and hand checking. If Jordan couldn’t be hand checked he gets atleast 10 FTAs per game just driving the ball.

Jordan 1996-1998 wasn’t the same athlete but developed that post game.
Jordan 1988-1993 was an insane athlete and would be unstoppable in today’s game.

I'm probably in the minority on this but I think today's defenses make it harder with the ability to have guys roam and be in position to provide immediate weak side help. Guys today are so skilled and strong that they rarely are ever stopped by the on-ball defender but it's usually the off ball rim protector or weak side roamer hedging over that forces them into a tough, contested shot.

Jordan is obviously a beast on his own level and would have adjusted but would be interesting to see how teams would game plan against him with the current rules.

Guys like LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Harden probably aren't bothered much by handchecking relative to weakside help but I think someone like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, maybe Dame wouldn't be as effective if their quickness is partially neutralized by a handcheck.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm probably in the minority on this but I think today's defenses make it harder with the ability to have guys roam and be in position to provide immediate weak side help. Guys today are so skilled and strong that they rarely are ever stopped by the on-ball defender but it's usually the off ball rim protector or weak side roamer hedging over that forces them into a tough, contested shot.

Jordan is obviously a beast on his own level and would have adjusted but would be interesting to see how teams would game plan against him with the current rules.

Guys like LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Harden probably aren't bothered much by handchecking relative to weakside help but I think someone like Curry, Kyrie, Kemba, maybe Dame wouldn't be as effective if their quickness is partially neutralized by a handcheck.

I think Harden is a lot less effective with handchecking. He exaggerates any contact he gets. If refs allowed handchecking Harden loses a lot of cheap points he gets.

The lack of handchecking is a huge help. It allows those guys you posted above free reign to just get a head start driving the ball and allows them to get the head of steam to get down the line.
Those guys are all thick and would still be good in the handcheck era.
The handcheck era is why we had games in that ended in 60s and 70s post Jordan retirement.

If 1988-93 Jordan played in today’s rules his 50 point streaks would be must watch.

 

[OrangeDW]

Those guys are literally the worst. I wish twitter would stop retweeting them into my timeline because one of my friends follows them. Keeley wasn’t that bad the guy who has replaced is a bad knockoff of Barstool sports. The new guy isn’t Dave Portnoy no matter how hard he tries.

What specifically are the knocks on them? I’ve been hearing it a lot lately.

Personally I never found them worth paying attention to. There just was not a whole lot of substance there and I didn’t feel like I gained anything from reading the site. But I haven’t paid attention in years to know what they’ve been doing recently.

 

[Alsacs]

What specifically are the knocks on them? I’ve been hearing it a lot lately.

Personally I never found them worth paying attention to. There just was not a whole lot of substance there and I didn’t feel like I gained anything from reading the site. But I haven’t paid attention in years to know what they’ve been doing recently.

I don’t want to say the guys name because he loves the attention but the guy in charge basically wants articles that appeal to the lowest common denominator of Syracuse athletics.

Being funny is fine but the crap they spew is just trying to incite a pissed off or troll reaction.
Plus one of his wannabe “stoolies” went after one of the most respected posters on this board who is an actual good person. It was pathetic.
TNIAAM is pure garbage that wants to be Barstool badly.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don’t want to say the guys name because he loves the attention but the guy in charge basically wants articles that appeal to the lowest common denominator of Syracuse athletics.

Being funny is fine but the crap they spew is just trying to incite a pissed off or troll reaction.
Plus one of his wannabe “stoolies” went after one of the most respected posters on this board who is an actual good person. It was pathetic.
TNIAAM is pure garbage that wants to be Barstool badly.

Check out my H0T Takes post on the OT board from yesterday...

 

[Alsacs]

Check out my H0T Takes post on the OT board from yesterday...

Nailed it. Those clowns want to be/work for Dave Portnoy badly.
I don’t even follow them but because I follow Syracuse fans I get their crap in my timeline.

 

[Alsacs]

LOL if the Knicks trade the 3rd pick for 8 and 10 then Durant has to be a lock for NYK.
I can’t believe they would trade down without an assurance Durant was on his way.
They really have to love Cam Reddish.
RJ Barrett isn’t a lock but he should be a Knick or traded for AD.

 

[Melancer46]

I think Harden is a lot less effective with handchecking. He exaggerates any contact he gets. If refs allowed handchecking Harden loses a lot of cheap points he gets.

The lack of handchecking is a huge help. It allows those guys you posted above free reign to just get a head start driving the ball and allows them to get the head of steam to get down the line.
Those guys are all thick and would still be good in the handcheck era.
The handcheck era is why we had games in that ended in 60s and 70s post Jordan retirement.

If 1988-93 Jordan played in today’s rules his 50 point streaks would be must watch.

I think Harden has proven at this point that the rules don't really matter. Unlike Kyrie, he's an actual basketball genius. He would find any little thing that he can latch on to to exploit regardless of the era he plays in. I have no doubts that he would be lighting up the league if he had played in the 90s and early 2000s.

 

[Melancer46]

LOL if the Knicks trade the 3rd pick for 8 and 10 then Durant has to be a lock for NYK.
I can’t believe they would trade down without an assurance Durant was on his way.
They really have to love Cam Reddish.
RJ Barrett isn’t a lock but he should be a Knick or traded for AD.

Seems kinda nuts to trade down from #3 in a 3 person draft, but the Knicks are the Knicks for a reason.

 

[Horn88]

I think Harden has proven at this point that the rules don't really matter. Unlike Kyrie, he's an actual basketball genius. He would find any little thing that he can latch on to to exploit regardless of the era he plays in. I have no doubts that he would be lighting up the league if he had played in the 90s and early 2000s.

I think drawing fouls and getting to the FT line is a skill and while it may annoy some people who watch him he's incredibly elite at it. Agree with you that he would be finding ways toscore the ball no matter what.

Also, he's built like a tank and in the old rules his step back is probably even more lethal if a defender has to respect the threat of a drive to the rim without the safety net of a roaming helpside defender.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think drawing fouls and getting to the FT line is a skill and while it may annoy some people who watch him he's incredibly elite at it. Agree with you that he would be finding ways toscore the ball no matter what.

Also, he's built like a tank and in the old rules his step back is probably even more lethal if a defender has to respect the threat of a drive to the rim without the safety net of a roaming helpside defender.

It’s a skill alright, but half the time he’s barely breathed on, the officials fall for it and I root for nothing but misery for the Rockets. He’s my least favorite elite player to watch in the entire NBA.

 

[Melancer46]

It’s a skill alright, but half the time he’s barely breathed on, the officials fall for it and I root for nothing but misery for the Rockets. He’s my least favorite elite player to watch in the entire NBA.

That's totally understandable. It's definitely not fun on the eyes like the Warriors offense for example.

But there was a very large contingent of people that thought Harden was toast a couple years ago after the NBA made the rule change to eliminate the fouls on 3 point shooters where they'd come around the screen and just hook the defender's arm.

Of course he went on to win the MVP the first year with the new rule designed to stop him and is about to finish as the runner-up this year and people have moved on to complaining about the stepback, jump forward shot now. He always finds something new and I have no doubt he would have done the same regardless of era.

 

[Newhouser]

LOL if the Knicks trade the 3rd pick for 8 and 10 then Durant has to be a lock for NYK.
I can’t believe they would trade down without an assurance Durant was on his way.
They really have to love Cam Reddish.
RJ Barrett isn’t a lock but he should be a Knick or traded for AD.

Wait is that real? That can't be real

 

[Melancer46]

Wait is that real? That can't be real

Yup. Reported by Givony.

 

[chugg21]

LOL if the Knicks trade the 3rd pick for 8 and 10 then Durant has to be a lock for NYK.
I can’t believe they would trade down without an assurance Durant was on his way.
They really have to love Cam Reddish.
RJ Barrett isn’t a lock but he should be a Knick or traded for AD.

I was just reading the same thing. Basically guaranteed Barrett or 2 of Culver, Hunter, White, Reddish, Garland, Little, Hachimura or Doumbouya. Could see it making sense if you need more bodies, don't love Barrett and are happy with ending up with 2 of your bottom 3 of that grouping.

 

[Melancer46]

This is what 3 for 8 and 10 would look like every other year.

 

[NateW]

Hunter & Reddish > Barrett

 

[Cusefan0307]

Reddish is trash. Yuck.

 

[chugg21]

This is what 3 for 8 and 10 would look like every other year.

Nice work, looks like it can go either way. 3 obviously has an exponentially better chance to be a hit but it all comes down to how good the scouting for the team grabbing 8 & 10 is. I'd guess in almost every case if you took the 2 best players that were picked between 8-15 that it would be preferable to have the 2 picks but chances of actually hitting that is slim to none.

 

[chugg21]

Hunter & Reddish > Barrett

Don't think there is any way that you are getting that combo at 8 & 10. Possible that Reddish could fall to #8 so looking at something like Reddish or White with 1 of Little/Hachimura/Doumboya. That still better than Barrett? I would lean no.

 

[Melancer46]

Don't think there is any way that you are getting that combo at 8 & 10. Possible that Reddish could fall to #8 so looking at something like Reddish or White with 1 of Little/Hachimura/Doumboya. That still better than Barrett? I would lean no.

Agreed, I think Hunter is out of reach at 8 + 10. I personally don't see Reddish as a worthy first round pick at all, but it does seem like 7-10 is roughly where he's expected to go. FWIW, Givony currently has the following from 6-16, which should give us a decent idea of what you can expect at 8 + 10:

6. Jarrett Culver
7. Coby White
8. Cam Reddish
9. Sekou Doumbouya
10. Jaxson Hayes
11. Brandon Clarke
12. PJ Washington
13. Bol Bol
14. Kevin Porter Jr.
15. Romeo Langford
16. Tyler Herro

I personally view Barrett as the #2 guy in the draft, and probably top 5ish if we're looking at the past 3 drafts combined, so I'd much rather stay at #3 and take him.

I would guess the Knicks would not prefer a C with Robinson looking very promising, but maybe the talent with Hayes or Clarke is too much to pass on, I don't know. At any rate, I would guess wings are the preferred choices. I like Culver, Langford, and Herro personally as far as that goes. Ignoring need, Doumbouya and Hayes are my two favorites in that range with Culver being the 3rd.

 

[Alsacs]

The only reason to trade 3 for 8 and 10 is if the salary cap space goes up to fit an extra stud under the cap by reducing the 3rd pick cap hold for 8th and 10 picks cap hold.

Ainge traded the first pick 2 years partially to help give himself the cap space to sign Hayward to a max deal and by going down 2 spots he saved a couple of million and got who he wanted at 1.

 

[chugg21]

The only reason to trade 3 for 8 and 10 is if the salary cap space goes up to fit an extra stud under the cap by reducing the 3rd pick cap hold for 8th and 10 picks cap hold.

Ainge traded the first pick 2 years partially to help give himself the cap space to sign Hayward to a max deal and by going down 2 spots he saved a couple of million and got who he wanted at 1.

Don't think that works. 8 & 10 should be $1m more than 3. Also it would be completely ed to make that move only to save a little cap space when you talking about high end picks. Ainge did that deal because it was a no brainer for him.

 

[NateW]

Don't think there is any way that you are getting that combo at 8 & 10. Possible that Reddish could fall to #8 so looking at something like Reddish or White with 1 of Little/Hachimura/Doumboya. That still better than Barrett? I would lean no.

Id rather just take Hunter at 3