NBA 2018-2019

[HOFCeluck]

Sources: Durant flies to New York to undergo MRI

The Warriors believe an MRI will confirm that the injury Kevin Durant suffered Monday night is an Achilles tear, league sources told ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski.

www.espn.com

Do they not have MRI machines in the Bay Area?

 

[Knicks411]

It was readily apparent KD wasn't right from tip off, regardless of him making threes. He was laboring severely.

Whatever happened, it's a huge, huge issue.

I would be surprised if the NBAPA doesn't eventually get involved in this.

Kendrick Perkins said he didn't think KD was close to being good to go. (I think they're pretty good buddies?)

I don't know. I don't want to say its hindsight, Perk said so before the game. I am may be a little naïve here, but I really don't think the Warriors doctors acted in bad faith or anything. But it's possible information comes out to the contrary.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think Jalen Rose nailed it:

This is incredible

 

[NineOneSeven]

I think Jalen Rose nailed it:

Where is this clip from? I want to copy it but not letting me

 

[OrangeDW]

Where is this clip from? I want to copy it but not letting me

https://streamabl.com/p93kr

Add an “e” to the above so it says “streamable”

 

[MikeSU02]

Kendrick Perkins said he didn't think KD was close to being good to go. (I think they're pretty good buddies?)

I don't know. I don't want to say its hindsight, Perk said so before the game. I am may be a little naïve here, but I really don't think the Warriors doctors acted in bad faith or anything. But it's possible information comes out to the contrary.

He had a bad practice and then was laboring on the court.

Regardless of the doctors, having those two things happen and then playing the first 12 of 14 minutes seems insane to me.

I’m sure there is shared culpability here, but something went wrong.

I don’t think the doctors acted in bad faith, but could they have missed something? Was the potential risk fully explained? Who was ok with the minutes restrictions being lifted to the point of 12 of 14 being the call? Etc etc.

 

[Toga]

 

[Alsacs]

How Kevin Durant's injury impacts his free agency

Kevin Durant's unfortunate Achilles injury couldn't have come at a worse time in the NBA Finals and with less than three weeks before NBA free agency. The Crossover takes a look inside his upcoming options for next season and potential destinations.

www.si.com

Durant on the Warriors the next 5 years would cost the Warriors about 1 Billion dollars even though he would get only 212 million. when factoring in the luxury tax.

 

[Knicks411]

He had a bad practice and then was laboring on the court.

Regardless of the doctors, having those two things happen and then playing the first 12 of 14 minutes seems insane to me.

I’m sure there is shared culpability here, but something went wrong.

I don’t think the doctors acted in bad faith, but could they have missed something? Was the potential risk fully explained? Who was ok with the minutes restrictions being lifted to the point of 12 of 14 being the call? Etc etc.

I get it. He was hurt, maybe came back early, and then definitely suffered a much more serious injury, so there's basically no way for the medical staff to look good here.

Playing so much early in the game; maybe there is something there. Kerr did say he was going to play him in "short bursts"; he basically played the first 5 minutes, sat for 2, and then played the next 7 or so. I wonder if Kerr was planning to pull him again soon.

The whole situation just sucks.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

all time straw man. the only people who questioned him came from within his own locker room.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He had a bad practice and then was laboring on the court.

Regardless of the doctors, having those two things happen and then playing the first 12 of 14 minutes seems insane to me.

I’m sure there is shared culpability here, but something went wrong.

I don’t think the doctors acted in bad faith, but could they have missed something? Was the potential risk fully explained? Who was ok with the minutes restrictions being lifted to the point of 12 of 14 being the call? Etc etc.

I'm farily certain no physician would say that he could not make his injury worse by playing. The only person who said that is Kerr, and I'd question the validity of his statement before I'd believe a team doctor or doctors would say such a thing.

We don't know the details of his original injury. Even the term "calf injury" is not very informative. How do you define "calf"? Last I looked, the term calf never showed up in any of my anatomy texts. You have the medial and lateral heads of the gastrocnemius muscle and the soleus muscle which are the major muscles of the posterior lower leg. They come together to form a conjoint tendon..the Achilles...

so what was actually injured in that first injury? they claim "calf injury" ..not very helpful.

what we DO know is that if if he had a muscle strain so significant that he was out a month, this would have an effect on the tendon at least indirectly. if the muscle is weak or injured, that puts added stress on the tendon if stressed. Think reverse of the issue with tendon tears and steroids. People that got huge on juice had muscle growth disproportion to degree of tendon strength increase. . This is not opinion..this is accepted fact.

so either he had a muscle strain / tear originally or a partial achilles tear/ either way, no physician with any level of background in sports medicine would dare say " YOU CANT MAKE A SOFT TISSUE INJURY WORSE BY STRESSING THE VERY ANATOMIC STRUCTURE THAT IS INJURED" It's incomprehensible.

There is a third possibility. There is a vestigal muscle called the plantaris...which is a little bitch muscle that is actually not even present in everyone...it follows similar course as the gastrocnemius but has it's own tendon. If THAT tears..it will hurt like a bitch and you will be limited based on pain tolerance. but once its torn, it's torn...you dont fix that tendon..it isn't important. now if he tore the plantaris...THEN I would agree with the doctors that playing would not increase his risk of further injury.

 

[samspann1]

So a group of Raptors fans were harassing Steph Curry's mom after the game? That's garbage - no excuse for that whatsoever.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I fully blame KD coming back too soon on the media and the anti-KD fan boys. Nobody hears the news quite like him and there's no doubt all the calling him soft had an affect. Now those same people are blaming the Warriors.

 

[Newhouser]

This is incredible

good passion and good points - sort of lost me when he involved his report and his character coming into question, but I think he is right. NBA needs independent doctors, not physicians on team payrolls.

 

[Alsacs]

good passion and good points - sort of lost me when he involved his report and his character coming into question, but I think he is right. NBA needs independent doctors, not physicians on team payrolls.

Why?
Players just have to do what Kawhi did last year if they aren’t healthy.
Teams can’t force players to play if they aren’t healthy.
Durant was what Cuse0307 said he was bullied by the media and Durant got burnt by that.

Durant was medically cleared. So it’s not like an independent doctor wouldn’t have cleared him.

What hurt Durant more than anything was the media being obsessed with creating drama. Blame the hot takers and GS losing games 3 and 4 for Durant’s injury

 

[chugg21]

Why?
Players just have to do what Kawhi did last year if they aren’t healthy.
Teams can’t force players to play if they aren’t healthy.
Durant was what Cuse0307 said he was bullied by the media and Durant got burnt by that.

Durant was medically cleared. So it’s not like an independent doctor wouldn’t have cleared him.

What hurt Durant more than anything was the media being obsessed with creating drama. Blame the hot takers and GS losing games 3 and 4 for Durant’s injury

Why does anyone have to be blamed? It's all so stupid. If anyone thought this was a likely outcome then he wouldn't have played. Grown man chose to play because his team is in the NBA Finals and this was an unfortunate outcome. Twitter, Facebook and the Media have just turned into a bunch of whiny losers always looking to get mad about everything and inventing theories about who can be blamed. Best to ignore all of it and reduce it down to what it is. Dude is a baller and his team is struggling in the Finals. If he thinks he can help them without hurting himself, of course he's going to give it a shot. He's an elite athlete. You don't get to that level by being afraid of things. Just had a bad outcome.

 

[Alsacs]

The ESPN studio is so bad compared to Turner so this is good.
Chauncey will get a FO job and Pierce will get a job with the Celtics.

 

[Melancer46]

Just a friend of a friend of a friend situation, so take it with a grain of salt, but I have a friend of a friend of a friend who works in the Suns' front office and they're saying they're confident that they're about to acquire Lonzo in an AD to Lakers deal.

 

[Alsacs]

Just a friend of a friend of a friend situation, so take it with a grain of salt, but I have a friend of a friend of a friend who works in the Suns' front office and they're saying they're confident that they're about to acquire Lonzo in an AD to Lakers deal.

So the Suns would give up Jackson?

Lakers are getting AD though.

 

[Cusefan0307]

So the Suns would give up Jackson?

Lakers are getting AD though.

I wouldn't touch Jackson with a ten foot pole. Kid has issues.

 

[Alsacs]

I wouldn't touch Jackson with a ten foot pole. Kid has issues.

Not sure then what Phoenix could send New Orleans.
Ayton and Booker are untouchable.
The Suns aren’t giving up the 5th pick for Lonzo Ball or their GM should be fired.

I would take Garland or White over Ball.

 

[MikeSU02]

The ESPN studio is so bad compared to Turner so this is good.
Chauncey will get a FO job and Pierce will get a job with the Celtics.

Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson should be doing this show. They are good together. They do need a strong host that can keep them focused a bit, but let them have some creativity.

 

[MikeSU02]

Not sure then what Phoenix could send New Orleans.
Ayton and Booker are untouchable.
The Suns aren’t giving up the 5th pick for Lonzo Ball or their GM should be fired.

I would take Garland or White over Ball.

I actually like Zo over either of those guys.

I think Zo has a much higher ceiling than most of the guys in this draft. He just isn't going to get his shot with the Lakers as long as Bron is there.

Just my 0.02.

I agree with Cusefan0307 about JJ, wouldn't touch him.

 

[MikeSU02]

Why does anyone have to be blamed? It's all so stupid. If anyone thought this was a likely outcome then he wouldn't have played. Grown man chose to play because his team is in the NBA Finals and this was an unfortunate outcome. Twitter, Facebook and the Media have just turned into a bunch of whiny losers always looking to get mad about everything and inventing theories about who can be blamed. Best to ignore all of it and reduce it down to what it is. Dude is a baller and his team is struggling in the Finals. If he thinks he can help them without hurting himself, of course he's going to give it a shot. He's an elite athlete. You don't get to that level by being afraid of things. Just had a bad outcome.

I get what you are saying, but the issue is that when you are discussing one of the 15 best players of all time, 100s of millions of salary and billions in team valuation... it has repercussions.

There is no way the NBAPA isn't involved in this now and the issue with load management and when star players play (especially for those prime time games that the Spurs got so much pressure to play stars when they were doing load management before anyone else) is going to be an issue.

At these levels of investment and financial repercussions, someone's head will be on the chopping block, for better or worse.

 

[Alsacs]

I actually like Zo over either of those guys.

I think Zo has a much higher ceiling than most of the guys in this draft. He just isn't going to get his shot with the Lakers as long as Bron is there.

Just my 0.02.

I agree with Cusefan0307 about JJ, wouldn't touch him.

I get Phoenix needs a PG but there will a good player available at 6.

I would take Culver, Hunter, or Garland at 6. Ball is Rajon Rondo without the defense until he develops a jumpshot.