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NBA Scout: "I'm hearing Malachi will be a top 10 pick."

Millhouse said:
that's my go to move in horse. that or a header.
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Then you would beat me. One of mine was standing at the top of the key with the ball on the ground in front of me. I would reach down to tie my shoe and then scoop the ball up and shoot it over my back. I made it two of the first three times I attempted it and I have since missed it about 250 times in a row.
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I feel like people thinking free throw shooting is easy is akin to people thinking that it's easy for a punter to control where their punts go.
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It really isn't as easy as a lot of us want to believe. For the past 45 years or so, the NBA league average has been around 75%, give or take a point or two, and college players have averaged just under 70%. However, it does seem like more NBA players shoot upwards of 90% these days.
 
br801 said:
It really isn't as easy as a lot of us want to believe. For the past 45 years or so, the NBA league average has been around 75%, give or take a point or two, and college players have averaged just under 70%. However, it does seem like more NBA players shoot upwards of 90% these days.
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I just looked it up quick, 25 players shot 85% or higher this season, 3 shot in 90% and nobody technically made it to 91%. Even though there's 15 players per NBA roster, there's only 13 active per game (I believe), so 13 players x 30 teams is 390. 25 of 390 players is 6.4% of the entire NBA. To say assume that FT shooting at that level "just an unguarded 15 footer" and the implication that more or most players should shoot 85% is ridiculous. It ignores the many variables, the fact that humans are not robots, etc. this convo is getting me towards salty right now...;):oops:
Edit: Br801 this is not directed at you, just used your post of perecentages as the jump for my post
 
Melancer46 said:
Height (with shoes): Beal: 6'4.75" Malachi: 6'6.25" Nick Young: 6'6.75" Wingspan: Beal: 6'8" Malachi: 7'0" Nick Young: 7'0" Standing Reach: Beal: 8'4" Malachi: 8'5.5" Nick Young: 8'4.5" No step vert: Beal: 33" Malachi: 33" Nick Young: 39.5" Max Vert: Beal: 39" Malachi: 38" Nick Young: 40.5" Malachi is obviously longer, but Beal is still pretty solid size for a SG, and he had more weight/muscle than Malachi does now with comparable if not more explosiveness. I think probably Malachi's best trait is his ability to hang in the air just long enough to draw contact, but it comes at a cost. As another poster said, he doesn't attack the rim. The fact that a guy with Malachi's length and measured athleticism struggled around the rim is not a good sign. Likewise, his horrific shooting from mid-range puts a damper on the promising 3PT% and volume. And Beal was a much better all-around player at Florida than Malachi currently is. Far better rebounder, defender, finisher, ball-handler, and mid-range shooter.
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Agree with much of your analysis - but I think generally GM's look at measurables as a way of measuring potential upside.

It goes without saying that if Mali is as good as either player he deserves to be a top 10 pick - which is very good for all involved.
 
JDubbin said:
I just looked it up quick, 25 players shot 85% or higher this season, 3 shot in 90% and nobody technically made it to 91%. Even though there's 15 players per NBA roster, there's only 13 active per game (I believe), so 13 players x 30 teams is 390. 25 of 390 players is 6.4% of the entire NBA. To say assume that FT shooting at that level "just an unguarded 15 footer" and the implication that more or most players should shoot 85% is ridiculous. It ignores the many variables, the fact that humans are not robots, etc. this convo is getting me towards salty right now...;):oops:
Edit: Br801 this is not directed at you, just used your post of perecentages as the jump for my post
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I didn't ignore the variables, I know there are variables, I mentioned it previously. There have been a lot of good points brought up with regard to what makes a free throw difficult. I never said that it is JUST an unguarded 15 foot shot, always acknowledging the variables, however it is an unguarded 15 foot shot. It is a muscle memory thing, and I guess people have varying capacities for muscle memory. Anyway, don't get salty over it, it is just a discussion.
 
JDubbin said:
I just looked it up quick, 25 players shot 85% or higher this season, 3 shot in 90% and nobody technically made it to 91%. Even though there's 15 players per NBA roster, there's only 13 active per game (I believe), so 13 players x 30 teams is 390. 25 of 390 players is 6.4% of the entire NBA. To say assume that FT shooting at that level "just an unguarded 15 footer" and the implication that more or most players should shoot 85% is ridiculous. It ignores the many variables, the fact that humans are not robots, etc. this convo is getting me towards salty right now...;):oops:
Edit: Br801 this is not directed at you, just used your post of perecentages as the jump for my post
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I didn't take offense at all or think it was directed at me. My skin is thick anyway.:cool:
 
Briancuse said:
I hope he goes in the top five, I just find it odd that all of the sudden, because of a few workouts he is all the sudden a top ten pick, most mock drafts still have him in the 20's and 30's.
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Would you find it odd that because a few bad workouts he all of the sudden fell out of the draft?
 
Gabjon said:
That's like finding it odd that people who interview well tend to get the job while people who interview poorly tend not to get the job.[/QUOTE

People tend to overreact because of workouts, its the same with the Nfl combine. A guy benches alot, or knocks down a few shots with no one guarding them, and people tend to go nuts. I would not equate a job interview with a workout.
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That is not true. The NBA combine is analogous to the NFL combine but workouts are basketball skill work followed by 3 on 3s; 4 on 4s and sometimes 5 on 5s. They last for hours. Players have been know to tap out, puke, and cry. Hitting a "homerun" is a big deal! Notice that Malachi cancelled his next 2 workouts, which is smart.
 
reedny said:
The funny thing is .. Mali's percentage went up in league play. He likes him the big moments!
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Yeah, he shot it well in league play, and did show a knack for dropping threes in people's faces when necessary. He never shied away from the big moments.
 
Gabjon said:
That is not true. The NBA combine is analogous to the NFL combine but workouts are basketball skill work followed by 3 on 3s; 4 on 4s and sometimes 5 on 5s. They last for hours. Players have been know to tap out, puke, and cry. Hitting a "homerun" is a big deal! Notice that Malachi cancelled his next 2 workouts, which is smart.
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Who are these 3 on 3's against? A guy who just played a full college basketball season at one of the top programs in the country shouldn't be tapping out during a workout. You can't just take one workout as the end all be all, teams take everything into account.
 
CusefanATL said:
Is he that athletic? Does he have a solid handle? Those are 2 of the reasons I dont see him translating 'top 10 pick worthy' to the NBA.
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I struggle with the athleticism, but he seemed to show it off in workouts. Who knows. His handle I really would have questioned, but in the NCAAT he looked like he could do some blow-by stuff, make space for himself, he seemed more fluid. That's sort of encouraging. Whereas, a guy like Wes, who was picked very high, you never even saw that in college really - and it never developed in the NBA either (obviously).
 
Malachi doesn't have a PG handle...but he does have enough of a handle to get himself open to get his shot off.

His playmaking skills greatly improved as the year went on too. He put up a number of 3-5 assist games in ACC play, where early in the season that part of his game was nonexistent.

I say Malachi pans out pretty well and becomes a Kris Middleton type and level of player.
 
Briancuse said:
Who are these 3 on 3's against? A guy who just played a full college basketball season at one of the top programs in the country shouldn't be tapping out during a workout. You can't just take one workout as the end all be all, teams take everything into account.
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The workouts are brutal and are valued more than college games since the college game is so different than the pro game. The players are a mix of college players and d-leagues mainly, but with millions of dollar on the line the workouts are nothing nice.
 
OrangeDW said:
Malachi doesn't have a PG handle...but he does have enough of a handle to get himself open to get his shot off.

His playmaking skills greatly improved as the year went on too. He put up a number of 3-5 assist games in ACC play, where early in the season that part of his game was nonexistent.

I say Malachi pans out pretty well and becomes a Kris Middleton type and level of player.
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I don't think I'd ever really compare someone to Middleton simply because Middleton at A&M was drastically different than the player he's become. The guy was a 32% 3 point shooter over 3 years in college and has become one of the best shooters in the NBA. It's just remarkable how much he's improved.

Malachi and today's Middleton are just so drastically different though. Everything Middleton does is about efficiency. He doesn't gamble for turnovers, but is great in his rotations (which is what leads to his 1.5 steals per game) and just does a really good job of staying in front of his man. Offensively, he's one of the best shooters in the league but he doesn't force anything, whereas forcing things is pretty much what Malachi's entire offensive game is predicated on. And Middleton wasn't 240 lbs when he came out of A&M, but he was always stronger than Malachi is and is now pretty much a brickhouse that can push other SGs and SFs around in the post.

I don't know; I just don't really see it. I have a hard time envisioning Malachi not being in the D-League or riding the bench next year; he's a long, long ways off from being a fringe all-star like Middleton is. It basically sounds like "If Malachi simply goes from an inconsistent shooter that's horrible from mid-range to being a great mid-range shooter and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league, and then goes from not doing anything defensively to being a really good man and help defender, and then adds a post game, and then becomes a really good passer..."
 
Melancer46 said:
I don't think I'd ever really compare someone to Middleton simply because Middleton at A&M was drastically different than the player he's become. The guy was a 32% 3 point shooter over 3 years in college and has become one of the best shooters in the NBA. It's just remarkable how much he's improved.

Malachi and today's Middleton are just so drastically different though. Everything Middleton does is about efficiency. He doesn't gamble for turnovers, but is great in his rotations (which is what leads to his 1.5 steals per game) and just does a really good job of staying in front of his man. Offensively, he's one of the best shooters in the league but he doesn't force anything, whereas forcing things is pretty much what Malachi's entire offensive game is predicated on. And Middleton wasn't 240 lbs when he came out of A&M, but he was always stronger than Malachi is and is now pretty much a brickhouse that can push other SGs and SFs around in the post.

I don't know; I just don't really see it. I have a hard time envisioning Malachi not being in the D-League or riding the bench next year; he's a long, long ways off from being a fringe all-star like Middleton is. It basically sounds like "If Malachi simply goes from an inconsistent shooter that's horrible from mid-range to being a great mid-range shooter and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league, and then goes from not doing anything defensively to being a really good man and help defender, and then adds a post game, and then becomes a really good passer..."
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I'm talking down the road, not anytime in the next few years...I see him being like a 15-16 ppg guy and good 3 point shooter.
 
Gabjon said:
The workouts are brutal and are valued more than college games since the college game is so different than the pro game. The players are a mix of college players and d-leagues mainly, but with millions of dollar on the line the workouts are nothing nice.
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How do you know they are brutal?
 

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