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[longislandcuse]

Shoot they shouldn't be, how many guys did they get drafted last year?

Props to them for reloading quickly and getting back in the top 25.

Props to the WVU game getting cancelled, otherwise we're facing another 2 loss team.

 

[leftytg]

Shoot they shouldn't be, how many guys did they get drafted last year?

Props to them for reloading quickly and getting back in the top 25.

It helps when your schedule is:
James Madison
Georgia St
Marshall
Virginia
BC (without Dillon)

They were supposed to play a ranked WVU team between Georgia St and Marshall, but weather cancelled the game. Of course, Clemson pounded them last week.

I'd feel good about Syracuse's chances against that schedule too.

 

[Timonen]

It helps when your schedule is:
James Madison
Georgia St
Marshall
Virginia
BC (without Dillon)

They were supposed to play a ranked WVU team between Georgia St and Marshall, but weather cancelled the game. Of course, Clemson pounded them last week.

I'd feel good about Syracuse's chances against that schedule too.

They struggled mightily against jmu, too. Uva may be comparable to us but nobody else on that schedule is (factoring bc’s injury). They may be no good.

 

[TheCusian]

They are good, but not top 25 good. QB is an NFL player. Their WRs are pretty good despite the suspect coaching at the position.

Their weakness is stopping the pass and running the ball.

 

[bigmike]

They are good, but not top 25 good. QB is an NFL player. Their WRs are pretty good despite the suspect coaching at the position.

Their weakness is stopping the pass and running the ball.

I see what you slipped in there..

 

[Scotch]

Line has quickly moved from Cuse -1 to NCST -2. Sharp money backing the wolfpack.

 

[orangecuse]

We lost by 4 at Clemson and should have won.
NC State got blown out down there.
We are at home.
You can see how we are the one point favorite.

I'm curious to know why you think we "should've" won at Clemson? They had 28 first downs to our 12. We were dominated in the 2nd half, and only scored because Clemson's punt returner muffed the catch and we punched it in from 9 yards out afterwards...on 4th down, early 4Q. Clemson had a few muffs that game in the turnover department.

That score was the only score we had in the second half, and, it was gifted to us. Otherwise, we had absolutely no semblance of any offense in that 2nd half, and physically dominated.

Maybe, you meant could have?

 

[longtimefan]

I'm curious to know why you think we "should've" won at Clemson? They had 28 first downs to our 12. We were dominated in the 2nd half, and only scored because Clemson's punt returner muffed the catch and we punched it in from 9 yards out afterwards...on 4th down, early 4Q. Clemson had a few muffs that game in the turnover department.

That score was the only score we had in the second half, and, it was gifted to us. Otherwise, we had absolutely no semblance of any offense in that 2nd half, and physically dominated.

Maybe, you meant could have?

Any time you reverse the result of a game with one play, you could have won. And there were 2 such plays in the Clemson game.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

A completely full Carrier Dome for a football game is the most beautiful thing on Earth to me. And I've been to the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, Mount Rushmore, etc.

I've been to Arby's.

A few times, come to think of it.

 

[RandomGuy]

NC State is now a 2-Point Favorite Over Syracuse

 

[CousCuse]

I see what you slipped in there..

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Uhura should of bitch slapped Dr. McCoy a couple of times too.

 

[Eric15]

NC State has been such a frustrating opponent for us over the years. They have an all-time series lead of 10-1, the lone win for us being in Shafer's first season. Even in seasons where we had fantastic teams (1997 and 1998) they were able to knock us off. I'm tired of losing to them.

 

[OrangeDW]

NC State has been such a frustrating opponent for us over the years. They have an all-time series lead of 10-1, the lone win for us being in Shafer's first season. Even in seasons where we had fantastic teams (1997 and 1998) they were able to knock us off. I'm tired of losing to them.

Yeah, it’s ridiculous. It’s not like they’ve ever really been much of a national power.

Still think the ‘97 loss is one of the worst in Syracuse history. Should never have happened. We were way better than them.

 

[BuffOrange]

'97 easily a Top 2-3 most annoying L in my lifetime. Maybe #1.

 

[FrancoPizza]

what is our record this year when the line swings away from us?

 

[longtimefan]

what is our record this year when the line swings away from us?

174-166

 

[otisco]

Sharps continuing to play on NC State. Line moves to -2.5 Wolfpack. Bottom line is we are going to have to play very well to win.

 

[upperdeck]

im not sure the line going up is sharps money. wont really know until late friday

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Sharps continuing to play on NC State. Line moves to -2.5 Wolfpack. Bottom line is we are going to have to play very well to win.

So the line moving towards state means we have to play better ? It actually means we can play worse and still cover

 

[otisco]

So the line moving towards state means we have to play better ? It actually means we can play worse and still cover

Yes, that’s what it means - to WIN as I said, not just cover. Because we are being seen as bigger underdogs with each day.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Yes, that’s what it means - to WIN as I said, not just cover. Because we are being seen as bigger underdogs with each day.

line movement doesn’t not alter the reality of what team is better , only the perception. And assuming line movement in any specific direction is sharp or square is invalid .. sportsbooks are looking to minimize risk..

 

[otisco]

line movement doesn’t not alter the reality of what team is better , only the perception. And assuming line movement in any specific direction is sharp or square is invalid .. sportsbooks are looking to minimize risk..

And the perception is clearly that N.C. State is better, based on both public and sharp money coming in on State. And I disargeee otherwise - spreads do indeed tend to reflect not only the better team but by how many points, adjusted as you said based on wagered money and the book’s risk.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

And the perception is clearly that N.C. State is better, based on both public and sharp money coming in on State. And I disargeee otherwise - spreads do indeed tend to reflect not only the better team but by how many points, adjusted as you said based on wagered money and the book’s risk.

Spreads reflect perception, not reality .. just so happens most of the time perception and reality are concordant .. however .. not always

Tiger woods is the favorite to win the masters right now .. if you asked a wise guy to pick the single most likely player to win it , no way do they pick him..however since there will be so much money on him to win, the books have to artificially render him the favorite to protect themselves should he win (which isn’t likely but certainly could occur)

 

[otisco]

Spreads reflect perception, not reality .. just so happens most of the time perception and reality are concordant .. however .. not always

Tiger woods is the favorite to win the masters right now .. if you asked a wise guy to pick the single most likely player to win it , no way do they pick him..however since there will be so much money on him to win, the books have to artificially render him the favorite to protect themselves should he win (which isn’t likely but certainly could occur)

Poor analogy. Golf wagering is worlds apart from team sports where it’s comparing two teams against each other, not against the entire field. Review the NFL spreads and tell me where the better team in reality is not favored.

 

[Cusefan0307]

If you compare spreads to analytical data the almost always match. It's why in college basketball I already know the opening line just by looking at KenPom ratings. They very much match reality in most cases unless we are talking about winning tournaments or championships. People always put money on the brand name in those cases.