NCAA Board of Governors starts process to enhance name, image and likeness opportunities

[FloridaFan]

Allow me to translate:

“Giddy-up, bitches. Time to fire up the money cannon and buy ourselves a new OL, new QB, and celebrate with hookers and blow.”

If we can buy a new OL we dont need a new QB

 

[All4SU]

The next step in the end of college athletics.

 

[Acesn8s]

This IMO will kill schools like Syracuse, every kid worth big time money is going to go to big cities and SEC schools, they can capitalize on their likeliness way more at UCLA and Alabama than they can at Syracuse.

 

[721Comstock]

This IMO will kill schools like Syracuse, every kid worth big time money is going to go to big cities and SEC schools, they can capitalize on their likeliness way more at UCLA and Alabama than they can at Syracuse.

You mean, totally different than it is right now?

 

[Acesn8s]

Yes I do mean totally different then it is right now, if for example the guy who owns fed ex can book kids for commercials if they go to Memphis and pay them 2 or 3 million a year to do it, or Maryland and under armor it will be a lot different

 

[Acesn8s]

This will ruin college athletics forever, there is nothing to stop a guy just for example T Boon Pickens obviously before he died to decided you know what? I really want Ok state football to be a power house that is unmatched and I already donated $200 million to this place how about I just buy a whole football team. Not to mention places like Notre Dame or who knows down the road the Ivy League schools who endowments are in the billions to say hey why not go all in on football and we can slap such and such kids face on a bank advertisement or a law firm advertisement.

 

[PAcuse]

I think some folks are jumping to terrible conclusions way to fast.
The NCAA knows they have to get this right or they go away.
I liked what they where saying on Packer and Durham this morning.
Kids can get paid a percentage for their likeness and when they graduate they get the money.

I find it fairly hard to believe teams will be allowed to set kids up with 2-3 million commercial shoots or be able to "buy" teams. The spirit of this is just to allow kids to make some money for the university making money of their likeness I will be shocked if we see companies outright offering kids a ton of money (outside of the one and done basketball kids) a dump-truck of money.

 

[Ozcuse]

This will ruin college athletics forever, there is nothing to stop a guy just for example T Boon Pickens obviously before he died to decided you know what? I really want Ok state football to be a power house that is unmatched and I already donated $200 million to this place how about I just buy a whole football team. Not to mention places like Notre Dame or who knows down the road the Ivy League schools who endowments are in the billions to say hey why not go all in on football and we can slap such and such kids face on a bank advertisement or a law firm advertisement.

In my opinion the rights of the players to be able to make money is a greater right than that of the NCAA and the schools to keep the status quo because it benefits them.

If you think that this endangers your school because they won't be able to compete, oh well that's tough maybe we should do away with conference tv deals, conference bowl payouts, etc. because it's not fair to the G5 schools who can't compete.

 

[All4SU]

I think some folks are jumping to terrible conclusions way to fast.
The NCAA knows they have to get this right or they go away.
I liked what they where saying on Packer and Durham this morning.
Kids can get paid a percentage for their likeness and when they graduate they get the money.

I find it fairly hard to believe teams will be allowed to set kids up with 2-3 million commercial shoots or be able to "buy" teams. The spirit of this is just to allow kids to make some money for the university making money of their likeness I will be shocked if we see companies outright offering kids a ton of money (outside of the one and done basketball kids) a dump-truck of money.

Respectfully, PA, I think you’re being very naive. They can “think this through” until the cows come home. It’s a black and white issue. Allowing more money into the system is bad for college athletics. Ultimately, college will just become a professional league. And that’s fine if that’s what people want. I don’t.

And then we can just wait until it trickles down to high school and AAU sports. Which, of course, it will.

 

[Acesn8s]

I think some folks are jumping to terrible conclusions way to fast.
The NCAA knows they have to get this right or they go away.
I liked what they where saying on Packer and Durham this morning.
Kids can get paid a percentage for their likeness and when they graduate they get the money.

I find it fairly hard to believe teams will be allowed to set kids up with 2-3 million commercial shoots or be able to "buy" teams. The spirit of this is just to allow kids to make some money for the university making money of their likeness I will be shocked if we see companies outright offering kids a ton of money (outside of the one and done basketball kids) a dump-truck of money.

I’m not even being sarcastic, you find it hard to believe big time alums would offer kids huge $ in order for their college to win a national title? Kids are getting $500,000 now from sneaker companies and that was done illegally, if you can profit from your likeness no matter when u get the $$ the flood gates will be open and this will be like the pros.

 

[All4SU]

In my opinion the rights of the players to be able to make money is a greater right than that of the NCAA and the schools to keep the status quo because it benefits them.

If you think that this endangers your school because they won't be able to compete, oh well that's tough maybe we should do away with conference tv deals, conference bowl payouts, etc. because it's not fair to the G5 schools who can't compete.

And that’s fine if you believe that you just need to tweek the current system. I don’t. I think we need to turn the system around, and make changes that take college sports further away from professionalism. There is too much money currently. We need to put our efforts into how we can make it easier for kids to get paid for their skills in a professional league if that’s what they want. Making money in college sports is not the answer. All we are doing is placating a small group of athletes, and continuing to support the big money influence of college sports.

 

[Acesn8s]

In my opinion the rights of the players to be able to make money is a greater right than that of the NCAA and the schools to keep the status quo because it benefits them.

If you think that this endangers your school because they won't be able to compete, oh well that's tough maybe we should do away with conference tv deals, conference bowl payouts, etc. because it's not fair to the G5 schools who can't compete.

Why is it unfair to kids that’s ridiculous, these kids get a FREE education, that’s the trade off, many of these kids could not get into these schools if not for their athletic ability. What would their likeness be then? Maybe 1 percent of these kids would get drafted strait out of high school the rest working at walmart or worse.

 

[All4SU]

The other real concern is that we are already setting kids up for failure by diminishing the perceived value of a college education. Athletic scholarships are a path to life-changing success, not a pathway to the NBA or the NFL, which mathematically almost no one will achieve. Throwing a few bucks, or a few thousand bucks, at a kid just to keep them from realizing this is wrong. We’re sending the wrong message.

 

[Ozcuse]

And that’s fine if you believe that you just need to tweet the current system. I don’t. I think we need to turn the system around, and make changes that take college sports further away from professionalism. There is too much money currently. We need to put our efforts into how we can make it easier for kids to get paid for their skills in a professional league if that’s what they want. Making money in college sports is not the answer. All we are doing is placating a small group of athletes, and continuing to support the big money influence of college sports.

That horse has been out of the barn since the NCAA and schools negotiated TV deals, apparel deals, and bowl game payouts.

To remove that money would mean coaches salaries will drop back into the 5 digits, AD budgets will go back into the low 7 digits, and the NCAA budget will shrink by 99.9%.

You think that will happen unless the Federal or State governments step in?

 

[Ozcuse]

Why is it unfair to kids that’s ridiculous, these kids get a FREE education, that’s the trade off, many of these kids could not get into these schools if not for their athletic ability. What would their likeness be then? Maybe 1 percent of these kids would get drafted strait out of high school the rest working at walmart or worse.

Hey man those indentured servants had a FREE place to live and FREE food. They also learned a trade!!!! Who were they to complain?

Several states have successfully argued that your defense is ridiculous and now the NCAA has changed their tune since they now see that their long standing argument has fallen apart.

This is the compromise that was willing to be made so that the NCAA and schools don't have to call the players employees.

 

[Acesn8s]

Hey man those indentured servants had a FREE place to live and FREE food. They also learned a trade!!!! Who were they to complain?

Several states have successfully argued that your defense is ridiculous and now the NCAA has changed their tune since they now see that their long standing argument has fallen apart.

This is the compromise that was willing to be made so that the NCAA and schools don't have to call the players employees.

Lmao that is hilarious I’m not even joking. Listen to some player interviews sometimes. I’d start with Buckshot Colvert from Liberty YouTube his thoughts before Syracuse game. The kid I’m sorry t is dumb as a box of rocks, I use him because I know somebody who played against him in high school and they said he could barely read, but somehow gets on a college campus. I’m sure people have even better examples. But he will certainly enjoy his FREE college education

 

[Ozcuse]

Lmao that is hilarious I’m not even joking. Listen to some player interviews sometimes. I’d start with Buckshot Colvert from Liberty YouTube his thoughts before Syracuse game. The kid I’m sorry t is dumb as a box of rocks, I use him because I know somebody who played against him in high school and they said he could barely read, but somehow gets on a college campus. I’m sure people have even better examples. But he will certainly enjoy his FREE college education

So under the current rules and system you believe kids are getting an athletic scholarship to college that don't meet the minimum standards?

What does that have to do with players additionally being able to earn money based on their likeness?

 

[All4SU]

That horse has been out of the barn since the NCAA and schools negotiated TV deals, apparel deals, and bowl game payouts.

To remove that money would mean coaches salaries will drop back into the 5 digits, AD budgets will go back into the low 7 digits, and the NCAA budget will shrink by 99.9%.

You think that will happen unless the Federal or State governments step in?

I don’t know. Probably not. Certainly not overnight. But that doesn’t stop me from pointing out and lobbying for what I believe is the right thing. Tilting at windmills? Sure. Probably so. Baby steps.
Make it possible for a kid to go straight from HS to the pros- major or minor league.
Advocate formation of legitimate Minor league pro leagues.
Allow kids who try and fail to make it (exact situations to be defined) to drop into college to use their skills to get a degree.
Hold tight to amateur status for college athletes. That’s critical.

Will colleges make less money? Yup. Will college coaches make less money? Yup. Will kids be better off? Absolutely.

 

[Acesn8s]

So under the current rules and system you believe kids are getting an athletic scholarship to college that don't meet the minimum standards?

What does that have to do with players additionally being able to earn money based on their likeness?

Yes I do believe that, in fact I know it. It has to do with the fact they are getting a free education that they can use to better themselves, learn some skills, and become productive members of society. Ohhh and if they are fortunate they get a platform to showcase their talent and play professional sports. So they have no reason to get paid to play college sports.

 

[orangecuse]

So under the current rules and system you believe kids are getting an athletic scholarship to college that don't meet the minimum standards?

What does that have to do with players additionally being able to earn money based on their likeness?

It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. JB has his concerns for obvious reasons. Maybe, as you mentioned in a related post above, the Federal/State governments do step in and legislate into law that these "student-athletes" will ultimately have some type of choice to make that subjects them to a certain type of capital gains/ordinary income tax, along with it having penalties/interest exposure as well.

 

[rrlbees]

In my opinion the rights of the players to be able to make money is a greater right than that of the NCAA and the schools to keep the status quo because it benefits them.

If you think that this endangers your school because they won't be able to compete, oh well that's tough maybe we should do away with conference tv deals, conference bowl payouts, etc. because it's not fair to the G5 schools who can't compete.

then get rid of athletic scholarships too.

 

[Acesn8s]

This will never ever happen I realize it, but how the NCAA and schools should respond is just do not offer athletic scholarships anymore. All kids need meet the standards that a kid who plays the Tuba has to in order to get into school. Then if they can make 3 million with their likeness that’s awesome. But if you can’t get into school and then your likeness turns out to be worth 5 dollars well then Ding Fries are done.

 

[Ozcuse]

then get rid of athletic scholarships too.

Get rid of academic and need based scholarships too, or make them adhere to the same standards as Div 1 football and basketball students in regards to working jobs, being able to get paid for their likeness, etc.

Do academic and needs scholarships have to pay income taxes on their scholarships?

 

[Ozcuse]

It's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out. JB has his concerns for obvious reasons. Maybe, as you mentioned in a related post above, the Federal/State governments do step in and legislate into law that these "student-athletes" will ultimately have some type of choice to make that subjects them to a certain type of capital gains/ordinary income tax, along with it having penalties/interest exposure as well.

This has already been mentioned by NC Senator Richard Burr. It's not going anywhere.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article236789618.html

 

[Acesn8s]

Get rid of academic and need based scholarships too, or make them adhere to the same standards as Div 1 football and basketball students in regards to working jobs, being able to get paid for their likeness, etc.

Do academic and needs scholarships have to pay income taxes on their scholarships?

Get rid of academic scholarships at a place created for higher education? Now that’s brilliant. And maybe I’m ignorant but I can’t think of a single non athlete who today even makes a large sum of money from their likeness. Not saying it doesn’t happen but I can’t think of one instance? Maybe some YouTube or instagram kids I’m not aware of.