NCAA Board of Governors starts process to enhance name, image and likeness opportunities

[rrlbees]

Get rid of academic and need based scholarships too, or make them adhere to the same standards as Div 1 football and basketball students in regards to working jobs, being able to get paid for their likeness, etc.

Do academic and needs scholarships have to pay income taxes on their scholarships?

Oh, I thought the argument was to make athletes like the regular student. Make all scholarships academic or need based, just like the regular student. Can’t have it both ways.

 

[Ozcuse]

Oh, I thought the argument was to make athletes like the regular student. Make all scholarships academic or need based, just like the regular student. Can’t have it both ways.

Regular students can make money from their likeness. See youtube personalities, instagram models, student entrepreneurs. Why aren't athletes treated like the regular students?

 

[texascpa]

I think some folks are jumping to terrible conclusions way to fast.
The NCAA knows they have to get this right or they go away.
I liked what they where saying on Packer and Durham this morning.
Kids can get paid a percentage for their likeness and when they graduate they get the money.

I find it fairly hard to believe teams will be allowed to set kids up with 2-3 million commercial shoots or be able to "buy" teams. The spirit of this is just to allow kids to make some money for the university making money of their likeness I will be shocked if we see companies outright offering kids a ton of money (outside of the one and done basketball kids) a dump-truck of money.

How exactly would that be structured for an adult? These are not minors (kids) where you set up a trust that they can't touch. These adults will enter contracts with studios/businesses, etc. I'm trying to think of one other field where monies earned by an adult are not transferred to that adult at time of services performed. Hell, federal law and all states have laws about timing for payment of services.

One of the big issues I see in this whole thing is the idea that they are "kids". No, they are adults in the eyes of the law.

 

[Ozcuse]

Get rid of academic scholarships at a place created for higher education? Now that’s brilliant. And maybe I’m ignorant but I can’t think of a single non athlete who today even makes a large sum of money from their likeness. Not saying it doesn’t happen but I can’t think of one instance? Maybe some YouTube or instagram kids I’m not aware of.

I'm saying treat them the SAME. Why are we trying to make special rules for athletes only when we say they aren't supposed to be treated differently from the regular student body?

 

[rrlbees]

Regular students can make money from their likeness. See youtube personalities, instagram models, student entrepreneurs. Why aren't athletes treated like the regular students?

isn't That what the gist of this new ncaa rule is going to be? I thought that’s what we were all talking about.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm saying treat them the SAME. Why are we trying to make special rules for athletes only when we say they aren't supposed to be treated differently from the regular student body?

because I bet a regular student isn’t getting 10’s of thousands, or more, of dollars from a schools booster.

 

[Acesn8s]

Don’t worry maybe soon we will all have our student loan debt forgiven and everybody should get handouts and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.

 

[Ozcuse]

Don’t worry maybe soon we will all have our student loan debt forgiven and everybody should get handouts and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.

Dude you are all over the place. Against handouts, check. Against capitalism, check.

You should definitely post on the Off Topic Forum.

 

[Acesn8s]

I’m not against capitalism, and as stated I’m not against academic scholarships, I am against people trying to get one percent of all scholar athletes getting paid for their likeness, and also getting athletic scholarships.

 

[Ozcuse]

isn't That what the gist of this new ncaa rule is going to be? I thought that’s what we were all talking about.

It is. But why get cute and threaten to tax their academic scholarship when we don't do that to students on needs based or academic based scholarships?

Why do people get so worked up over college athletes making some money during a small window of opportunity? Most aren't going pro so this may be the only time they get a chance to make money off of their athletic endeavors.

Schools like SU aren't getting 4 star and 5 star athletes in football as it is. I don't see this changing the landscape much, it will just put who gets paid out in the open instead of the shady bags of cash, fake jobs for parents and other shenanigans we have happening now.

If you want to tax their income generated from their likeness, please do! That's common sense.

 

[Acesn8s]

Also you compared college scholarship athletes to indentured servants so who is off topic?

 

[rrlbees]

It is. But why get cute and threaten to tax their academic scholarship when we don't do that to students on needs based or academic based scholarships?

Why do people get so worked up over college athletes making some money during a small window of opportunity? Most aren't going pro so this may be the only time they get a chance to make money off of their athletic endeavors.

Schools like SU aren't getting 4 star and 5 star athletes in football as it is. I don't see this changing the landscape much, it will just put who gets paid out in the open instead of the shady bags of cash, fake jobs for parents and other shenanigans we have happening now.

If you want to tax their income generated from their likeness, please do! That's common sense.

has anyone here said tax scholies? I don’t even think that’s what burr meant. He’s just ignorant with his chosen words.

and nobodies getting worked up with athletes getting some money. They’re getting worked up by the opening of a can of worms which would allow booster and other entities to legally buy players.

 

[Ozcuse]

Also you compared college scholarship athletes to indentured servants so who is off topic?

I'm certainly not the first person to make that comparison.

National Letter of Indenture: Why College Athletes are Similar to Indentured Servants of Colonial Times

This is a guest post from Jason Belzer and Andy Schwarz. Jason Belzer is a Sports and Entertainment Attorney and Professor of Sports Management at Rutgers University. Andy Schwarz is a Sports Economist and Partner at OSKR. They can be followed on twitter @JasonBelzer and @Andyhre. It is part of...

www.forbes.com

NCAA must end its indentured servitude of college athletes

At the bottom of 10 demands from the National College Players Association, the voice for college athletes founded by former UCLA linebacker Ramogi Huma that is at a crescendo after nearly 20 years …

www.chicagotribune.com

ESPN analyst Jalen Rose: NCAA system like 'indentured servitude'

Former Fab Five member Jalen Rose blasted the NCAA's archaic rules.

www.usatoday.com

New book says the NCAA treats athletes like 'indentured servants'

VIDEO: "They fundamentally have no rights."

www.businessinsider.com

National Letter Of Indenture: Why College Athletes Are Similar to Indentured Servants Of Colonial Times

It is part of the mythos of college sports; young men and women enter our nation’s universities as “student-athletes” and, after their playing careers have ended, they graduate and go on to great, successful lives.

athleticdirectoru.com

 

[Acesn8s]

Oh I know, People make ridiculous comparisons all the time. I guess we will just see how it all plays out, I don’t think anything else can be said as of now. That’s enough posting for me until I complain about our horrid offense and how we can’t stop BCs running attack.

 

[orangecuse]

I'm saying treat them the SAME. Why are we trying to make special rules for athletes only when we say they aren't supposed to be treated differently from the regular student body?

Maybe, it's because of all the special treatment to their benefit they get afforded at zero cost to them. The universities also flip the bill for running all of the venues, facilities, etc. that these athletes are granted, which enables them the opportunity of a lifetime by providing them such monumental/priceless exposure in showcasing their related talents for 100% their own beneficial future returns. Again, at zero cost to them. Not to mention all of the other free perks they receive by being a "student-athlete" on a full ride.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Maybe, it's because of all the special treatment to their benefit they get afforded at zero cost to them. The universities also flip the bill for running all of the venues, facilities, etc. that these athletes are granted, which enables them the opportunity of a lifetime by providing them such monumental/priceless exposure in showcasing their related talents for 100% their own beneficial future returns. Again, at zero cost to them. Not to mention all of the other free perks they receive by being a "student-athlete" on a full ride.

Right. If they are the same then why do they have their own housing, training facilities, cooks that are all off limits to normal students?

If they tax athletic scholarships, I would have no issue. They are getting the scholarship for work performed which is income. A regular student doesn’t perform work for the university in return.

 

[Ozcuse]

Maybe, it's because of all the special treatment to their benefit they get afforded at zero cost to them. The universities also flip the bill for running all of the venues, etc. that these athletes are granted, which enables them the opportunity of a lifetime by providing them such monumental/priceless exposure in showcasing their related talents for 100% their own benefit/future returns. Again, at zero cost to them. Not to mention all of the other free perks they receive by being a "student-athlete" on a full ride.

If running all these venues and providing these benefits does not provide a net positive value to the school, then they should not provide them.

I'd argue there is cost to the student athlete. Namely their current and future health.

 

[UpstateSM]

I’m not against capitalism, and as stated I’m not against academic scholarships, I am against people trying to get one percent of all scholar athletes getting paid for their likeness, and also getting athletic scholarships.

Yes, how dare a student-athlete get to go to school for free (while making the school and its administrators bags of money) while also being allowed to cash out in their limited window of being highly recognized for being good at their sport.

 

[Ozcuse]

Right. If they are the same then why do they have their own housing, training facilities, cooks that are all off limits to normal students?

If they tax athletic scholarships, I would have no issue. They are getting the scholarship for work performed which is income. A regular student doesn’t perform work for the university in return.

So you're saying the athletes should be treated as employees of their respective Universities?

 

[RandomGuy]

Also you compared college scholarship athletes to indentured servants so who is off topic?

The former head of the NCAA called college athletics a neo-plantation system -The man who coined the term "Student Athlete", and designed the whole system.

Walter Byers: The Man Who Built The NCAA, Then Tried To Tear It Down

Walter Byers established the NCAA's enforcement division and turned the league into a moneymaking operation. But after more than 30 years of defending amateurism, he started speaking out against it.

www.wbur.org

"Each generation of young persons come along and all they ask is, 'Coach, give me a chance, I can do it.' And it's a disservice to these young people that the management of intercollegiate athletics stays in place committed to an outmoded code of amateurism.

"And I attribute that to, quite frankly, to the neo-plantation mentality that exists on the campuses of our country and in the conference offices and in the NCAA. The coach owns the athlete's feet, the college owns the athlete's body and the athlete's mind is supposed to comprehend a rulebook that I challenge Dave Berst, who's sitting down in this audience, to explain in rational terms to you inside of eight hours."

1994

 

[UpstateSM]

Right. If they are the same then why do they have their own housing, training facilities, cooks that are all off limits to normal students?

If they tax athletic scholarships, I would have no issue. They are getting the scholarship for work performed which is income. A regular student doesn’t perform work for the university in return.

Then that makes student-athletes school employees, which allows SAs to unionize, which in the end will result in them being allowed to make money off their likenesses anyways.

 

[UpstateSM]

The former head of the NCAA called college athletics a neo-plantation system -The man who coined the term "Student Athlete", and designed the whole system.

Walter Byers: The Man Who Built The NCAA, Then Tried To Tear It Down

Walter Byers established the NCAA's enforcement division and turned the league into a moneymaking operation. But after more than 30 years of defending amateurism, he started speaking out against it.

www.wbur.org

 

[All4SU]

I actually agree that the current system takes advantage of the athletes. They are not being fairly compensated for their efforts. The difference lies in the solution. Some here think the solution is to throw some money at some kids so we can go on pretending that we’re not taking advantage of them. My opinion is that the solution is to cut them loose. Go make professional money. Just not at my school.

In my system, college athletics reverts back to true amateur athletics. College football would essentially be what 1AA is now. Kids get athletic scholarships to go to school, and play a sport to do it. That would be their choice. Everybody wins. Except the fans, however. They they can just deal with it.

 

[Cusefan0307]

has anyone here said tax scholies? I don’t even think that’s what burr meant. He’s just ignorant with his chosen words.

and nobodies getting worked up with athletes getting some money. They’re getting worked up by the opening of a can of worms which would allow booster and other entities to legally buy players.

Townie wants to

 

[orangecuse]

If running all these venues and providing these benefits does not provide a net positive value to the school, then they should not provide them.

I'd argue there is cost to the student athlete. Namely their current and future health.

Call me crazy, but something tells me the majority of these "student-athletes" probably fair far better being at universities under a free ride, etc., vs. what their options would've been otherwise...which would likely have a much greater "cost" to their health.