NCAA Board of Governors starts process to enhance name, image and likeness opportunities

[RandomGuy]

I actually agree that the current system takes advantage of the athletes. They are not being fairly compensated for their efforts. The difference lies in the solution. Some here think the solution is to throw some money at some kids so we can go on pretending that we’re not taking advantage of them. My opinion is that the solution is to cut them loose. Go make professional money. Just not at my school.

In my system, college athletics reverts back to true amateur athletics. College football would essentially be what 1AA is now. Kids get athletic scholarships to go to school, and play a sport to do it. That would be their choice. Everybody wins. Except the fans, however. They they can just deal with it.

I'd like that, too, but the teams make way too much $$.

For Example: Ohio States football program was assessed at $1.5 Billion in 2018, roughly the same value as the Buffalo Bills.

Oakland Raiders EBITDA? $28 million. Cleveland Browns? $32 Million. I thought we made more $$ than that?(different metric?) Either way, the big boys must be close.

 

[All4SU]

I'd like that, too, but the teams make way too much $$.

For Example: Ohio States football program was assessed at $1.5 Billion in 2018, roughly the same value as the Buffalo Bills.

Oakland Raiders EBITDA? $28 million. Cleveland Browns? $32 Million. I thought we made more $$ than that?(different metric?) Either way, the big boys must be close.

Too bad. Let the schools figure out how to go back and make money by educating people. They have lots of smart people working there. I’m sure they can come up with something.

 

[RandomGuy]

Too bad. Let the schools figure out how to go back and make money by educating people. They have lots of smart people working there. I’m sure they can come up with something.

Fine by me. Sell em off.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I actually agree that the current system takes advantage of the athletes. They are not being fairly compensated for their efforts. The difference lies in the solution. Some here think the solution is to throw some money at some kids so we can go on pretending that we’re not taking advantage of them. My opinion is that the solution is to cut them loose. Go make professional money. Just not at my school.

In my system, college athletics reverts back to true amateur athletics. College football would essentially be what 1AA is now. Kids get athletic scholarships to go to school, and play a sport to do it. That would be their choice. Everybody wins. Except the fans, however. They they can just deal with it.

I am all for that. Go back to limited TV. Allow every conference one game of the week to sell nationally, all other games are played 3:30 and only available via the school’s stream. How nice would it be to have no more 2:45 TV timeouts?

 

[reedny]

Allow me to translate:

“Giddy-up, bitches. Time to fire up the money cannon and buy ourselves a new OL, new QB, and celebrate with hookers and blow.”

So amateurism is out and we're going with the LV model?

 

[SU2NASA]

So amateurism is out and we're going with the LV model?

It will be. And Syracuse is going to decide if it wants to take the rules to their only logical conclusion... to the full extent that they can be pushed

 

[FrancoPizza]

Great news for all the kids
Also great news for us adults/kids that enjoy playing EA's NCAA Football, no more updating roosters from 2014 lol

Did they ever fix the run blocking. I still have the 99 version featuring Mcnabb and Konrad. But the fb dive would never get more than 4 yards.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Go back to limited TV. Allow every conference one game of the week to sell nationally, all other games are played 3:30 and only available via the school’s stream. How nice would it be to have no more 2:45 TV timeouts?

But would we get the replay on ch13 the next morning? That’s a dealbreaker.

 

[CuseOnly]

then get rid of athletic scholarships too.

The. Government is gonna make out taxing the income and scholarships too.

Nothing is gonna be free going forward.

Agents, lawyers, accountants all will be needed by 18 year old kids.

 

[elimunelson]

I hope any money earned is tied to graduation and one and done rules are removed as well. Graduate and your earned money is released from school escrow if you are on scholarship. Obviously players may turn down scholarships if they can make more money w likeness but this would be a double positive for student athletes.

any forfeited money goes to scholarships for non revenue sports.

I’m spitballing but there should be a buy in on both sides if schools still perform the function of educating

 

[PAcuse]

Did they ever fix the run blocking. I still have the 99 version featuring Mcnabb and Konrad. But the fb dive would never get more than 4 yards.

Yes that's fixed. My biggest beef with running is when you run your QB he is way to prone to fumbling the ball.

 

[texascpa]

I hope any money earned is tied to graduation and one and done rules are removed as well. Graduate and your earned money is released from school escrow if you are on scholarship. Obviously players may turn down scholarships if they can make more money w likeness but this would be a double positive for student athletes.

any forfeited money goes to scholarships for non revenue sports.

I’m spitballing but there should be a buy in on both sides if schools still perform the function of educating

I just do not see how they are going to do this, legally, unless they structure all contracts with the school and not the player. The kicker to that is that the school is tabbed with the taxes if they are receiving the monies. Schools are not going to do that.

And sorry, but all states have laws regarding escheatable property such that money can't be necessarily "forfeited" if it's owed.

 

[NJCuse97]

Obviously players may turn down scholarships if they can make more money w likeness but this would be a double positive for student athletes.

This is very dangerous. I assume there would still be scholarship limits, and they would likely be used on “tier two” players that are skilled, but need time/development. All these others, turning down scholarships for immediate income are the shorter term all star players. They will now be walk ons. Boosters will be buying super teams.

 

[All4SU]

This is very dangerous. I assume there would still be scholarship limits, and they would likely be used on “tier two” players that are skilled, but need time/development. All these others, turning down scholarships for immediate income are the shorter term all star players. They will now be walk ons. Boosters will be buying super teams.

Individuals will be far more interested in self-promotion than team success. Resentment between players will be augmented. Cheating will become the norm (even more so than now).

 

[Newhouser]

Yes I do mean totally different then it is right now, if for example the guy who owns fed ex can book kids for commercials if they go to Memphis and pay them 2 or 3 million a year to do it, or Maryland and under armor it will be a lot different

TV deals and networks made it different for some schools too. Change/Evolution happens in college sports. The institutions will have to decide what is important to them. Alumni and fans too.

 

[Newhouser]

Why is it unfair to kids that’s ridiculous, these kids get a FREE education, that’s the trade off, many of these kids could not get into these schools if not for their athletic ability. What would their likeness be then? Maybe 1 percent of these kids would get drafted strait out of high school the rest working at walmart or worse.

For me anyway - the UNC case destroyed the last vestige of the value of a free education argument. We know what the players provide to the school on the court, field, etc, we are not privy to what the schools are providing the players in terms of education.

 

[Acesn8s]

For me anyway - the UNC case destroyed the last vestige of the value of a free education argument. We know what the players provide to the school on the court, field, etc, we are not privy to what the schools are providing the players in terms of education.

There are 90 players or so on a d1 roster for every Johnny Football’s and Tua’s there is 85 other guys who’s likeness is worth The same as ours. We are making rules for maybe 2 or 3 kids on every team. And further more those other kids got a way better chance of making money of their education then they do on their likeness. Again this would all be solved if you said no athletic scholarships, you have to get accepted the way everyone else does and coaches can recruit kids who they can get into school... this will never happen.

 

[orangecuse]

It will be. And Syracuse is going to decide if it wants to take the rules to their only logical conclusion... to the full extent that they can be pushed

No doubt. And, similar to the leaked Walters Group rendering of the Dome reno back in May of '16 and what's actually being delivered (as usually the case) it ultimately comes down to coin and the extent of it. I find it difficult to see how a private school the size of Syracuse will be able to realistically compete (at the highest level) as this thing transforms into a totally different/new frontier.

JB is very intelligent, his apparent fear of what lies ahead is understandable. He realizes that he won't be around (coaching) when its impacts are felt the most, however, he knows his beloved school that he has dedicated most of his entire adult life to will.

 

[Newhouser]

There are 90 players or so on a d1 roster for every Johnny Football’s and Tua’s there is 85 other guys who’s likeness is worth The same as ours. We are making rules for maybe 2 or 3 kids on every team. And further more those other kids got a way better chance of making money of their education then they do on their likeness. Again this would all be solved if you said no athletic scholarships, you have to get accepted the way everyone else does and coaches can recruit kids who they can get into school... this will never happen.

Agree - doesn't change, or have anything to do with my comment/opinion. WE don't know what kind of education the athletes are receiving.

 

[NJCuse97]

There are 90 players or so on a d1 roster for every Johnny Football’s and Tua’s there is 85 other guys who’s likeness is worth The same as ours. We are making rules for maybe 2 or 3 kids on every team. ... Again this would all be solved if you said no athletic scholarships, you have to get accepted the way everyone else does and coaches can recruit kids who they can get into school... this will never happen.

This is not now, and never was about actual value. This is about boosters putting a false value on it in order to buy players. I’m also not sure what admission standards have to do with P5 Football scholarships. Factories get whoever they want through admissions, with or without scholarships. It may be even easier if the school isn’t laying out money to falsify his “student” status. Yes, I used a gender pronoun intentionally. That’s another factor here.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Respectfully, PA, I think you’re being very naive. They can “think this through” until the cows come home. It’s a black and white issue. Allowing more money into the system is bad for college athletics. Ultimately, college will just become a professional league. And that’s fine if that’s what people want. I don’t.

And then we can just wait until it trickles down to high school and AAU sports. Which, of course, it will.

No. Colleges will get out of the scholarship athletics business, or all scholarships will be needs based.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The. Government is gonna make out taxing the income and scholarships too.

Nothing is gonna be free going forward.

Agents, lawyers, accountants all will be needed by 18 year old kids.

Non-tuition portions are already taxable. Are Scholarships Taxable? | The Motley Fool

 

[Cusefan0307]

For me anyway - the UNC case destroyed the last vestige of the value of a free education argument. We know what the players provide to the school on the court, field, etc, we are not privy to what the schools are providing the players in terms of education.

That’s where I’m at. It’s over. They selectively enforce what they want. Just give players the ability to earn outside money. It’s already happening. Just like tons of responsible people smoke weed.

 

[SU2NASA]

There are 90 players or so on a d1 roster for every Johnny Football’s and Tua’s there is 85 other guys who’s likeness is worth The same as ours. We are making rules for maybe 2 or 3 kids on every team. And further more those other kids got a way better chance of making money of their education then they do on their likeness. Again this would all be solved if you said no athletic scholarships, you have to get accepted the way everyone else does and coaches can recruit kids who they can get into school... this will never happen.

In a logical world, yes, 2-3 players per team at most have a real, tangible value for NIL purposes. But what will happen is, boosters, sponsors, apparel companies, whoever, are going to cut kids checks for the NIL with the agreement that they attend a certain school.

It literally took 1 hour after the vote for someone else to get this same idea. It’s going to happen. It’s not a question of if, or even when, but how much will FBS fracture.