NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[orangecuse]

I get it.

That said... the line of thinking you're talking about is part of the problem.

And people are saying they're ok taking money somebody could be making away from them because of the laundry they care most about.

We're really uncomfortable with that in other facets of life, but college sports, it's preferred.

It's bizarre.

I don't know what specifically you're referring to when you generalize "other facets in life" but nothing in our society comes free. If I'm a capital investor, and you have this great idea, but nothing to fund your idea, etc. and I loan you money, take on the complete financial risk, etc., in return I may demand a significant percentage of your profits, until you can afford to buy me out. The 'ol adage 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

The schools provide these young adults with that same loan so to speak by giving them a full schollie, etc., except when they hit the big time, they demand/get nothing in return for their future successes that came from the platform and vehicle in which the school fully fronted.

 

[TheCusian]

I think it forces bagmen out into the open - and while the current inequity between teams will continue and perhaps widen - the end result is a less shady, more equitable experience for the athletes? That’s a good thing.

I don’t see how it’s good for Syracuse, though.

 

[Scooch]

Why can't the top 32 football schools create their own league and make their players professional? Players aren't students and don't have to go to school. Pay them 100k a year, and let them make what they can for their likenesses. And if they underperform they can get cut. Seems to me this is the inevitable ending once this starts.

And honestly it wouldn't bother me that much. The players who have the talent and the drive to succeed get paid. The others can get a college education. But it seems unfeasible to treat 347 D1 schools exactly the same when they are wildly different.

I've thought that schools should offer a major in Athletics. Seems silly to me that we make kids pretend that they are students. Some are, and those should totally take advantage of the opportunities they get. Some aren't, and the lengths that schools go to keep them eligible tarnishes the academic integrity of the school.

I mean, my wife was a music major. SU didn't make her pretend to be an academic major while she played trumpet in the symphonic band.

 

[Geode]

This is a fascinating thread. I am grateful for our contributors keeping this a civil and unusually respectful dialogue. Well done people, well done!

This will be a fascinating evolution to see where this whole concept goes. I think most everyone agrees it has the ability to completely change the nature of college sports, at least the major ones (colleges and sports) in a direction that few of us can imagine. A lot of realistic and fantasy speculation. Not sure who the winners or loser will be at this point.

 

[maxxyz]

I've thought that schools should offer a major in Athletics. Seems silly to me that we make kids pretend that they are students. Some are, and those should totally take advantage of the opportunities they get. Some aren't, and the lengths that schools go to keep them eligible tarnishes the academic integrity of the school.

They'd still be a student and students are subject to the Title IX laws. They need to not be a student in order to "have a higher stipend" than other athletes.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

I've thought that schools should offer a major in Athletics. Seems silly to me that we make kids pretend that they are students. Some are, and those should totally take advantage of the opportunities they get. Some aren't, and the lengths that schools go to keep them eligible tarnishes the academic integrity of the school.

I mean, my wife was a music major. SU didn't make her pretend to be an academic major while she played trumpet in the symphonic band.

Agreed. Here at Saint Rose, the athletes get a lot of mentoring. Part of that is because we are a small college so ALL students get a lot of one-on-one time with faculty, but the coaches are on top of things here like I have not seen elsewhere. Granted, my other stops as an employee have been Arizona State and WVU. The latter was actually much stronger in keeping track of their student athletes (including revenue sports) than many on this board might believe, and some of their support staff would give me cards with personalized notes at the end of the year for working with their kids and especially helping them manage the travel rigors that come with being a Big 12 outlier. I lived with an SU lax player for a few semesters in undergrad back in the oughts, and the SU academic support staff seemed to be really on top of them as well.

For the really top-notch athletes with a future in the pros somewhere, knowing how to navigate that landscape and manage finances responsibly are critical. I'd love to see these types of skills being taught for college credit for the student athletes that need them the most. Here at our cozy little D2 school, I'm not worried about that; but someplace like UK where money may be the primary interest, I'm concerned for the kids that won't make it professionally and have never been taught the life skills to do anything else.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[Sudano]

What's to keep College Football Teams sitting down with rich Boosters who run businesses to show recruits ways to overpay players for their 'likeness' and figure out how that likeness can be used. 'Or not used'. All marketing plans don't always see the light of day.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[djcon57]

What's to keep College Football Teams sitting down with rich Boosters who run businesses to show recruits ways to overpay players for their 'likeness' and figure out how that likeness can be used. 'Or not used'. All marketing plans don't always see the light of day.

What’s to keep College Football teams from asking alumni for preposterous amounts of money to upgrade their facilities used only by a vast minority of the entire school so that players will come?

This occurs right now.

 

[orangecuse]

FWIW, this evenings news on the local NBC affiliate here in Charlotte, WCNC, polled viewers on whether they felt college athletes on full rides (mainly football & basketball) should be able to make money off their likeness. 66% said no, 34% said yes.

Charlotte has a huge college football following as many alums of various schools live in the area. State & UNC are about 2 & 1/2 hours away, as is Clemson & VPI. USC is an hour and 1/2 in Columbia, SC and Wake is about 90 minutes as well.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I mean let them go club and play each other CA is big enough to be its own country currently there NJCAA teams can’t compete for national championships forger why. The rules in place allow tons of student athletes to attend college for free or cheaper. There’s no shareholders making money off college sports. These ADs run at a deficit and attendance is down.

P12 is fine without those 4 schools they can pick up BYU and Colorado St and be fine.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

How in the world is this unrealistic to you? One single booster paid for 13 players at SMU - and this is when it wasn't even legal. Who do you think is paying for players now?!? Kids are getting paid and there's no contract or value proposition attached except for committing to a school.

Don't you understand that for the person to whom money is no longer an object that this isn't an investment, it's a hobby.

To think that these are financial investment decisions solely and that the system won't be pushed to its furthest limits, is insanely naïve.

Adam Wietsman and Billy Fucillo, come on down

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

FWIW, this evenings news on the local NBC affiliate here in Charlotte, WCNC, polled viewers on whether they felt college athletes on full rides (mainly football & basketball) should be able to make money off their likeness. 66% said no, 34% said yes.

Charlotte has a huge college football following as many alums of various schools live in the area. State & UNC are about 2 & 1/2 hours away, as is Clemson & VPI. USC is an hour and 1/2 in Columbia, SC and Wake is about 90 minutes as well.

People are very stingy about others making money.

 

[4the Dubbz]

Florida is already in the process of matching the bill. The rest of the SEC won't be far behind. The dam has broke and California led the way.

Not only matching it but lapping them in action delivery. They must not want Cali to take all the recruits. New York should do it and make it effective immediately, if possible. Lol

 

[OttoinGrotto]

FWIW, this evenings news on the local NBC affiliate here in Charlotte, WCNC, polled viewers on whether they felt college athletes on full rides (mainly football & basketball) should be able to make money off their likeness. 66% said no, 34% said yes.

Charlotte has a huge college football following as many alums of various schools live in the area. State & UNC are about 2 & 1/2 hours away, as is Clemson & VPI. USC is an hour and 1/2 in Columbia, SC and Wake is about 90 minutes as well.

I don't give a crap about viewer's opinions on this.

 

[NJCuse97]

Is there a Syracuse silver lining? Do we get wins back that were vacated for paying “too much” to ref YMCA basketball games?

 

[Newhouser]

so with all these states moving forward my question is how will NY make this complicated say like they did with sports wagering?

Also any legal experts out there - next steps are legal challenges with some sort of compromise fundamental change agreed to by the NCAA while the courts bicker? NCAA won't risk going all in here do you think?

 

[NKR1978]

What's to keep College Football Teams sitting down with rich Boosters who run businesses to show recruits ways to overpay players for their 'likeness' and figure out how that likeness can be used. 'Or not used'. All marketing plans don't always see the light of day.

What's the problem with that?

I think the first few years there will be a bit of a gold rush, but at some point it will revert back to the norm. Most kids wont see a ton of money, and if they do it'll go to them and not some member of their extended entourage.

I know some disagree that it will be affected, but it will be interesting seeing some of the bellyaching from coaches whose salaries might not rise as fast because there are fewer donations going directly to the sports program. Or imagine a player making more in marketing than the coach does. Could be fun problems on teams where a freshman with a ton of hype falls on his face but still gets a ton of money while another freshman with less hype tears up the court.

 

[Townie72]

I wouldn’t worry too much about this.

A lawyer friend told me this law will never pass legal muster. The Government can’t tell private organizations what they can or cannot do in this realm. They don’t have the authority.

That’s why the NCAA isn’t all that upset.

This is all political gamesmanship. And apparently it’s having the desired effect.

 

[JEF44]

What I don't get is the argument that it's all happening now!
There are drugs(real drugs) on the streets so just make them all legal!

 

[PhatOrange]

I wouldn’t worry too much about this.

A lawyer friend told me this law will never pass legal muster. The Government can’t tell private organizations what they can or cannot do in this realm. They don’t have the authority.

That’s why the NCAA isn’t all that upset.

This is all political gamesmanship. And apparently it’s having the desired effect.

State Schools are private organizations?

 

[FasterCuse]

If I was the NCAA I'd call out the NFL for not creating a D-League that pays the players. This way kids have option of going straight from HS to being paid or going to college and getting an education. Then the NCAA can make some compromise with these states on increasing the stipend slightly for college athletes, but keeping everything else status quo in the name of amateurism.

Also, think about how cool it would be have Dungey or some other recent Syracuse grads playing on the local D-League team while waiting for their shot in the big leagues.

 

[UnknownOrange]

What I don't get is the argument that it's all happening now!
There are drugs(real drugs) on the streets so just make them all legal!

Yeah. That's totally the same thing

 

[upperdeck]

the pros have this business model and already have the same issue of haves vs havents.. this will take it from 40 teams with a mild shot to about 10..