NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[Cusefan0307]

I think you guys are actually making the point that is opposite of what you think. I've been following SU for ~ 30 years, this money we are seeing recently is unheard of for us but not for all the other schools. We aren't seeing 25 mill again possibly for a long time. Other schools get that every time they need some sort of facelift. That recent money we are seeing proves we can't compete at the highest level.

Anything that happened under Jake and Doc Gross doesn’t count. It was a different time.

 

[longislandcuse]

100% agree with this... If you're a school like SU, I think you're going to be on the outside looking in for football. Maybe we can direct our donors to pony up to field a competitive basketball team, but it's going to be hard to compete with large public universities, and universities who who a lot more donors with big pockets.

I'm torn because I think it is the right thing to do for the student athlete, but I have a (bad) feeling that this is the end of SU athletics as a lot of us have known it.

It would be the end of college athletics as we know it.

Whether it’s right or not, I don’t know.

It’s a mutual using of each other. Nobody cares about Tua playing a year or two in some start up amateur league before going pro. They care about him because of the Alabama jersey he wears.

There should absolutely be an increase in stipends/pay for revenue sports but I’m not sure this is the move.

I made my old boss a ton of money, knowing it would eventually get me my own business. I made pennies on the dollar for two years while he traveled the world on work I did. He used me for his gain and I used the platform he gave me for bigger things. This concept isn’t only applicable to college football.

 

[Alsacs]

How much money do you people think boosters/fans of programs are going to throw away for recruits likeness/endorsements?

Please explain how much money they will give per kid, etc.

This bill helps kids with brands make money off themselves. Booster aren't buying recruits likeness before they enter school and if they did it wouldn't be more than what the bags those kids already getting.

 

[TheCusian]

Paying players won’t be about a return on investment financially. It will be about making the team better and getting a power trip over being the reason for the team’s success.

I agree. But the normal way is to drop bags and $100 handshakes. Easy. This way will involve agents, contracts, and paper trails.

 

[longislandcuse]

How much money do you people think boosters/fans of programs are going to throw away for recruits likeness/endorsements?

Please explain how much money they will give per kid, etc.

This bill helps kids with brands make money off themselves. Booster aren't buying recruits likeness before they enter school and if they did it wouldn't be more than what the bags those kids already getting.

It would be an organized bag man premise.

Money boosters agree to pay certain kids X amount and others Y amount, with studs Z amount.

Everyone gets paid that you bring on board and they know the money is there before they sign.

Business owner then uses the role players/lesser recruits in some group ad or whatever.

 

[TheCusian]

Does paying players for their likeness legally with agents and contracts make the old bagman way an FBI money laundering, tax evasion issue?

 

[djcon57]

I think you guys are actually making the point that is opposite of what you think. I've been following SU for ~ 30 years, this money we are seeing recently is unheard of for us but not for all the other schools. We aren't seeing 25 mill again possibly for a long time. Other schools get that every time they need some sort of facelift. That recent money we are seeing proves we can't compete at the highest level.

My point is that I don’t care if we end up on the short end of the stick. It’s the right thing to do for the players.

If we can’t compete with the money, so be it. Again, the game is already crooked. No one is crying for the non P5 schools now.

 

[djcon57]

It would be the end of college athletics as we know it.

Whether it’s right or not, I don’t know.

It’s a mutual using of each other. Nobody cares about Tua playing a year or two in some start up amateur league before going pro. They care about him because of the Alabama jersey he wears.

There should absolutely be an increase in stipends/pay for revenue sports but I’m not sure this is the move.

I made my old boss a ton of money, knowing it would eventually get me my own business. I made pennies on the dollar for two years while he traveled the world on work I did. He used me for his gain and I used the platform he gave me for bigger things. This concept isn’t only applicable to college football.

Nobody cared about Bazely, yet he’s made more money on endorsements than Tyus Battle.

 

[Newhouser]

My point is that I don’t care if we end up on the short end of the stick. It’s the right thing to do for the players.

If we can’t compete with the money, so be it. Again, the game is already crooked. No one is crying for the non P5 schools now.

We are on the short end of the stick now. I agree if the gap gets too big ...that's life

 

[longislandcuse]

Nobody cared about Bazely, yet he’s made more money on endorsements than Tyus Battle.

That’s unique. Bazley was the first to do that. Let’s see what happens when/if there’s 30 Bazley’s every year.

 

[Cheriehoop]

My point is that I don’t care if we end up on the short end of the stick. It’s the right thing to do for the players.

If we can’t compete with the money, so be it. Again, the game is already crooked. No one is crying for the non P5 schools now.

And no one is crying for D2, D3 players who get no where near the perks of D1 players. Hasn’t Bazely shown that the athlete can make all the money they are worth following his path? They also have the overseas,, GLeague, streetball options. No one is making these kids to go to college unless they were bought by sneaker companies, agents well before college. Why so worried about the minority who want to eat their cake and have it too?

 

[qdawgg]

My point is that I don’t care if we end up on the short end of the stick. It’s the right thing to do for the players.

If we can’t compete with the money, so be it. Again, the game is already crooked. No one is crying for the non P5 schools now.

I don't completely disagree with this, it's hard for me to wrap my head around but I also get that it's the right direction to go.

My only argument on this whole thread is with people thinking this will "flatten" the system and SU will be just as competitive as it is now, or it will have no impact whatsoever. That doesn't make sense in any way and most of the arguments I see are arguing things that aren't relevant to the conversation.

I think you can actually believe this could potentially blow up college football and at the same time realize this is the equitable/just thing to do for players. Which is where I'm at.

 

[orangecuse]

It would be the end of college athletics as we know it.

Whether it’s right or not, I don’t know.

It’s a mutual using of each other. Nobody cares about Tua playing a year or two in some start up amateur league before going pro. They care about him because of the Alabama jersey he wears.

There should absolutely be an increase in stipends/pay for revenue sports but I’m not sure this is the move.

I made my old boss a ton of money, knowing it would eventually get me my own business. I made pennies on the dollar for two years while he traveled the world on work I did. He used me for his gain and I used the platform he gave me for bigger things. This concept isn’t only applicable to college football.

This entire post is excellent, and the bold part is 100% dead on. This is why SU, imo, will clearly be unable to compete in the future, at least not as a mid-sized private. This will lead to a future where the expansion of conferences will merge into one large conglomerate of schools, where the significant TV revenue will be. It's doubtful, imo, that again SU as a private, stands a remote chance of being included into that future group as they were so incredibly fortunate with the ACC invite/gift.

 

[orangecuse]

My point is that I don’t care if we end up on the short end of the stick. It’s the right thing to do for the players.

If we can’t compete with the money, so be it. Again, the game is already crooked. No one is crying for the non P5 schools now.

This statement is accurate. So, just as many here take extreme pleasure in UConn's demise on the gridiron from being left at the altar in that past expansion craze, SU's future football fate will resemble theirs today. I doubt you'll find many here "not caring" if we end up on the short end of the stick.

 

[Alsacs]

I don't completely disagree with this, it's hard for me to wrap my head around but I also get that it's the right direction to go.

My only argument on this whole thread is with people thinking this will "flatten" the system and SU will be just as competitive as it is now, or it will have no impact whatsoever. That doesn't make sense in any way and most of the arguments I see are arguing things that aren't relevant to the conversation.

I think you can actually believe this could potentially blow up co stop a fan college football and at the same time realize this is the equitable/just thing to do for players. Which is where I'm at.

We aren't going to be more competitve because of this law. This law is about players not being chattel of their schools. They can make their own money from their likeness/endorsements and keep their eligibility. The fact they can't do that now is bullchit.

Why can Nick Saban do commercials but Tua can't?

 

[djcon57]

And no one is crying for D2, D3 players who get no where near the perks of D1 players. Hasn’t Bazely shown that the athlete can make all the money they are worth following his path? They also have the overseas,, GLeague, streetball options. No one is making these kids to go to college unless they were bought by sneaker companies, agents well before college. Why so worried about the minority who want to eat their cake and have it too?

Let the D2 and D3 players make money on their likeness as well. Problem solved.

 

[Alsacs]

This statement is accurate. So, just as many here take extreme pleasure in UConn's demise on the gridiron from being left at the altar in that past expansion craze, SU's future football fate will resemble theirs today.

We can compete. The money being thrown around isn't going to be insane. We are talking thousands of dollars for local endorsements and for the elite athletes maybe national commercials.

Andre Cisco, Steve Ishmael, Zaire Franklin type of football players aren't getting money from schools.

The video game companies are about it. Those are the type of players we recruit now.

The elite 5 star talents won't get endorsements before they play in college football.
In basketball the Zion's of the world can get money from shoe companies while in college.

 

[rrlbees]

My prediction is that if things continue on this path that it appears it is going, there will be a lot of people that someday will regret these actions.

 

[longislandcuse]

We aren't going to be more competitve because of this law. This law is about players not being chattel of their schools. They can make their own money from their likeness/endorsements and keep their eligibility. The fact they can't do that now is bullchit.

Why can Nick Saban do commercials but Tua can't?

Because Saban is a coach and Tua is a college player?...

I honestly don’t get why this is so difficult.

Pay them a large stipend, sure, but Tua can do all that next year.

 

[Alsacs]

My prediction is that if things continue on this path that it appears it is going, there will be a lot of people that someday will regret these actions.

College basketball and football are big time money makers for their colleges. The players should have a right to make some money for outside sources while the colleges only provide them an education and other costs of living.

I think the colleges make out nicely. This bill doesn't force profits of those schools be shared. That is the road that kills college football and basketball.
The scare tactics of the NCAA are they want the status quo. They like the status quo because they are making money off the backs of the NCAAT TV contract.

 

[Alsacs]

Because Saban is a coach and Tua is a college player?...

I honestly don’t get why this is so difficult.

Pay them a large stipend, sure, but Tua can do all that next year and can take out an insurance policy in case he, God forbid, has a career ending injury.

Why does he have to wait for next year?
How does that hurt the NCAA one iota if State Farm says you are in school now people will be watching your games NOW we want you in a commercial to sell insurance.

This doesn't hurt the system right now. Its the NCAA treating the players like chattel. Let them make money from outside sources.

 

[jncuse]

Ultimately I think this bill passing is a good thing. It is going to force the NCAA and its member institutions to finally reckon with incongruous situation that exists with schools generating hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue due to "amateur athletics".

Of course, as constructed, this law will yield a ton of consequences, some good, some bad. But disruption seems long overdue.

I love big-time college sports. It also makes zero sense to have academic institutions act as quasi-professional sports franchises. It's largely a freak occurrence of history and legacy that no other country on Earth replicates. Hopefully over the next four years the NCAA, universities, the states poised to enact similar legislation (South Carolina is on the clock), and other parties hammer out a somewhat logical path forward.

*edit* One editorial note... Fear that a new system may be abused is no excuse for not doing anything. ALL systems are abused, like the one that currently exists. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to isolate those instances and make the overall environment better.

+1,000,000

You nailed it, especially the last paragraph.

 

[Newhouser]

My prediction is that if things continue on this path that it appears it is going, there will be a lot of people that someday will regret these actions.

These actions being the creation of the legislation? The running of faux academic programs like UNC? The blatant disregard for everything right and just at Penn State? The blatant unbalanced, money grabbing self-serving leadership of the NCAA? The smart but shameless infiltration of collegiate athletics by apparel companies? The seediness of the AAU scene and the street agents and the parents and players who take advantage of the bags that are out there? IMHO the most regrettable action is that the NCAA / and its member institutions refused to adapt to the times, and held out to a dated and false mission statement. As Sonny Vaccaro told Bryce Jordan and the Knight Commission elitist many years ago, the schools "sold their souls and will continue selling them."

 

[maxxyz]

How much money do you people think boosters/fans of programs are going to throw away for recruits likeness/endorsements?

Please explain how much money they will give per kid, etc.

This bill helps kids with brands make money off themselves. Booster aren't buying recruits likeness before they enter school and if they did it wouldn't be more than what the bags those kids already getting. Then the next fight is salary cap.

I think you’re being a little naive. With the amount of money in play right, I would expect it to increase tenfold once schools, boosters, donors, shoe companies and agents figure out the angles and the loopholes. A school like UCLA will have a tremendous advantage in recruiting by being able to offer a huge market with lots more money opportunities than small market schools like SU.

Might as well get rid of the student athlete designation for football and basketball and create a pro league of 32 schools. Pay them a salary and let them sell their name and image. Then fight about a salary cap.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think you’re being a little naive. With the amount of money in play right, I would expect it to increase tenfold once schools, boosters, donors, shoe companies and agents figure out the angles and the loopholes. A school like UCLA will have a tremendous advantage in recruiting by being able to offer a huge market with lots more money opportunities than small market schools like SU.

Might as well get rid of the student athlete designation for football and basketball and create a pro league of 32 schools. Pay them a salary and let them sell their name and image.

UCLA's facilities are a dump and nobody cares about sports in LA to begin with.