NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[Cusefan0307]

Then that means all the member schools are communist.

Well they clearly aren’t because they find a way to get around the rules.

 

[rrlbees]

Well they clearly aren’t because they find a way to get around the rules.

Well all the ncaa committees including rules and policies and investigations etc are made up of members from the schools. The ncaa is the schools.

 

[Moontan]

California is the PAC10. I see this as a Hail Mary by the PAC10 to stave off becoming irrelevant. They feel like they can outbid most of the other conferences for the top talent with all that tech and Hollywood money.

Are you talking about the PAC-12 or the Cal-4?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Well all the ncaa committees including rules and policies and investigations etc are made up of members from the schools. The ncaa is the schools.

And they look the other way when it’s basketball and football blue bloods paying players.

If it’s a field hockey or track athlete they penalize. Hypocrites.

 

[Alsacs]

The

Well all the ncaa committees including rules and policies and investigations etc are made up of members from the schools. The ncaa is the schools.

The NCAA is going to make this CA bill legal.
They are going to lose this battle.

 

[Alsacs]

And they look the other way when it’s basketball and football blue bloods paying players.

If it’s a field hockey or track athlete they penalize. Hypocrites.

How anyone can be against Zion Williamson making some money endorsing products while in college while Duke can sell Zion jerseys without paying him for those sales are crazy.

The players are the sport. The NCAA survives with the money it gets from TV revenue for the NCAAT.

 

[rrlbees]

The

The NCAA is going to make this CA bill legal.
They are going to lose this battle.

I don’t know what the ncaa is gonna do about the CA bill and don’t really care. College sports are done.

 

[CousCuse]

I don’t know what the ncaa is gonna do about the CA bill and don’t really care. College sports are done.

If the NCAA rules against that bill, the lawsuits will be endless.That bill opened Pandora's box.

 

[Hoo's That]

California is the PAC10. I see this as a Hail Mary by the PAC10 to stave off becoming irrelevant. They feel like they can outbid most of the other conferences for the top talent with all that tech and Hollywood money.

Stanford, Cal, USC, and UCLA all lobbied in opposition to the bill.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don’t know what the ncaa is gonna do about the CA bill and don’t really care. College sports are done.

Hyperbole.

 

[qdawgg]

If you support the NCAA on this you may as well support communism.

sorry but that’s not communism. In reality it’s more like capitalism. Players have a choice not to enter into agreement with the schools/ncaa. The schools/ncaa created a system that they benefit from the workers, the workers themselves have the choice to not enter into that agreement. The schools/ncaa would argue without them existing the players have no market value. That is the value the schools/ncaa add to the equation, among other things such as the ability through working together to create financially beneficial tv contracts. Which those contracts allow the schools to continue to fund the programs the players are benefiting from.

now what you’re arguing about is whether the players are getting a fair stake/equity in this arrangement or not. Karl Marx would probably agree with you that they aren’t. However the capitalist would argue the whole system ceases to exist without the schools/ncaa.

so it’s not really like communism except it’s an easy expression to throw out there. But you could argue it’s more like a free market system with the winner of the system being the schools/ncaa. And if you agree the government should correct this system, wouldn’t that actually be more like communism then a free market system?

 

[CousCuse]

Stanford, Cal, USC, and UCLA all lobbied in opposition to the bill.

Those 4 schools have enormous political power in that state. Hard to believe they couldn't stop it if they wanted to.

 

[Oakland]

So I have a contractual obligation to dump the nuclear waste from a Russian submarine on property that I own in CA - this over rides all CA laws?

Just the ones that try to change the terms, obligations, etc., of the contract.

 

[Oakland]

So my CA company has a merger agreement with a Kansas company, and there are contractual obligations to not pay state property taxes on my property; so my company doesn't have to pay property tax?

I believe this applies to interstate contracts. not intrastate contracts, so yes and no. Because the NCAA is an interstate organization and its sports are an interstate endeavor(commerce). It should not be subject to any single state law. A federal law should be required to affect this change.

 

[Hoo's That]

So I have a contractual obligation to dump the nuclear waste from a Russian submarine on property that I own in CA - this over rides all CA laws?

You need a Federal permit to handle the nuclear waste. If you have one, it would override any California laws.

All the hypotheticals you're dreaming up are missing the point, this law was passed specifically to override the terms of the contract between the schools and the NCAA. That's where it falls afoul of the Contract Clause.

 

[Oakland]

I'm not missing the point, because I'm not considering the CA/NCAA issue; I'm interested in your legal opinion that CA laws can be avoided because you have a contract that says so.

You need a Federal permit to handle the nuclear waste. If you have one, it would override any California laws.

All the hypotheticals you're dreaming up are missing the point, this law was passed specifically to override the terms of the contract between the schools and the NCAA. That's where it falls afoul of the Contract Clause.

 

[Hoo's That]

I'm not missing the point, because I'm not considering the CA/NCAA issue; I'm interested in your legal opinion that CA laws can be avoided because you have a contract that says so.

There's a big difference in what you're putting forward and this law. You're putting forward contracts that are designed to evade/nullify the laws. This is a law that's trying to nullify a contract. That's a forbidden action.

 

[TheCusian]

I'm not alone.

Pew Survey: 17% trust Government to do the right thing some or all of the time.

Gallop Poll: 11% trust Congress to do the right thing.

This is going to be a fiasco. Grandstanding politicians and legal struggles. Let's hope the NCAA prevails. They are the lesser of two evils in this.

I didn’t say it wasn’t a popular opinion.This isn’t the spot for it, but I consider this a great failing of the generations before mine. Cynicism about government allows more bad stuff to go down by generating apathy. See: now.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Colleges are the farm leagues for basketball and football. P5 = AAA. Once the players earn money on endorsements there will be lots of internal conflict within teams and conflict between colleges. The pros have all sorts of rules to even the playing field. The NCAA will be unable to even the playing field. College athletics will suffer. Great changes might take place if revenue declines.

 

[NKR1978]

Imagine if the State came to your business and told you this is what you must pay your employees.

Or here are the terms of your employment contracts.

The NCAA is a voluntary association of colleges and universities that have decided to have a contractual relationship that allows and prohibits behavior.

Communism failed because they tried to do too many things centrally. It doesn’t work.

None of this answers the question.

Why is it bad to allow college athletes to make money off of their name and likeness? The only other class of people largely prohibited from making money off their celebrity is criminals.

Oh yes you can stop people from making money.

If this goofy idea were to become law, what’s to say that the school can’t say, “Anyone who takes a dime of that money, loses their scholarship and is off the team”. There’s no right to a scholarship or a position on the team that I know of.

Well, if you read the California legislation you would see that it’s literally illegal for the schools to do that.

I don’t understand how someone who is a political conservative could be so offended by the notion that people should be allowed to make money off themselves. The only time the schools would have to pay the players in this situation is when they use the student’s name and likeness in advertising or marketing.

 

[NKR1978]

Colleges are the farm leagues for basketball and football. P5 = AAA. Once the players earn money on endorsements there will be lots of internal conflict within teams and conflict between colleges. The pros have all sorts of rules to even the playing field. The NCAA will be unable to even the playing field. College athletics will suffer. Great changes might take place if revenue declines.

Don’t the coaches get paid millions of dollars a year in salary, camps and endorsements to manage conflicts within teams?

 

[CuseOnly]

How much money do you people think boosters/fans of programs are going to throw away for recruits likeness/endorsements?

Please explain how much money they will give per kid, etc.

This bill helps kids with brands make money off themselves. Booster aren't buying recruits likeness before they enter school and if they did it wouldn't be more than what the bags those kids already getting.

Boosters will pay kids to just go to the school and ink deals with them before they ever step foot on campus. And yes before they ever know how good they are.

You are thinking too much of after they step on campus. The before they step on campus is the much bigger issue and where paying kids will be a failure.

Also, if they are allowed to get paid in college...what rules are there to stop them from getting paid through high school by corporations directing kids to go to certain schools that have deals with certain colleges?

Yep, nothing.

 

[Alsacs]

Boosters will pay kids to just go to the school and ink deals with them before they ever step foot on campus. And yes before they ever know how good they are.

You are thinking too much of after they step on campus. The before they step on campus is the much bigger issue and where paying kids will be a failure.

Also, if they are allowed to get paid in college...what rules are there to stop them from getting paid through high school by corporations directing kids to go to certain schools that have deals with certain colleges?

Yep, nothing.

What drives sports?
The players?
Who should profit off a player’s likeness? The colleges or players?
When Syracuse sold #3 basketball jerseys who was making money?
The school or Gerry McNamara?
The school was.
Why shouldn’t players be able to make some of that money?

Boosters if they drop bags and most people believe they do like myself do it for elite recruits.
They aren’t dropping bags for Eric Dungey, Jamal Custis, Ryan Nassib type recruits. Those are the recruits we are already getting.

This bill isn’t the boogeyman. Players are the sport. Not colleges. College football and college basketball are not amateur athletics. They are free minor leagues for the NBA and NFL.

If players can’t get endorsements then coaches shouldn’t either. The college coaches don’t make millions without the athletes.

 

[IthacaMatt]

There's a big difference in what you're putting forward and this law. You're putting forward contracts that are designed to evade/nullify the laws. This is a law that's trying to nullify a contract. That's a forbidden action.

That's not entirely true. Many contracts have clauses built into them (or company operating agreements, for that matter) that the contract is voidable if the intended purpose becomes illegal.

 

[orange79]

With many states following suit, this will be the end to college athletics as we know it. While this will please many posters we have here, I, for one, am not looking forward to the future. Is the current system perfect? Of course not. Is it better than what is coming? Not in the short run, IMO.

We are approaching a Wild West phase. Until it gets worked out (over time), there will be abuses that can't even be imagined right now that will make the current unlevel playing field look like a shiny flat table top.