NCAA threatens to boot the whole state of California if bill becomes law

[NKR1978]

JB says Buddy gets a $1300 a month stipend now. That’s nearly &15,000 a year on top of their scholarship. That’s not too bad. What will stop a booster from giving a player $20,000 for his autograph to get him to choose a certain school?

Nothing, that's the point.

 

[Alsacs]

JB says Buddy gets a $1300 a month stipend now. That’s nearly &15,000 a year on top of their scholarship. That’s not too bad. What will stop a booster from giving a player $20,000 for his autograph to get him to choose a certain school?

What is to stop a USC booster from giving Dino Babers 20 million dollars a year to coach USC.

Why should that be allowed?

If people want to be stupid with their money let them.

 

[Townie72]

Everyone cares about money, if you don't believe that, I don't know what to tell you.

But you don’t worry about every nickel, especially if that makes earning the lions share of the money more difficult.

Sometimes you have to give up some revenue or pay a higher price for something even though that money would flow directly to the bottom line.

You do it because that’s a good idea.

Surely you know that unless you work for the Government.

 

[upperdeck]

paying for players creates a competitive imbalance.. Its pretty clear that over paying for coaches hurts way more teams.

Spock would not be happy about how this is going

 

[Alsacs]

paying for players creates a competitive imbalance.. Its pretty clear that over paying for coaches hurts way more teams.

Spock would not be happy about how this is going

You think Auburn got Cam Newton to go there college for free? Same for Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish, and RJ Barrett to Duke?

Schools are already dirty. They are paying for the athletes as is. This bill is about the NCAA saying it can't make Eric Dunget ineligible to play college football if he does a commerical on TV with Billy Fuccillo.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

NCAA extends tournament deal with CBS, Turner through 2032 for $8.8 billion

The broadcast partners will provide coverage of all games on any platforms they choose.

www.usatoday.com

Basketball is where the NCAAT makes 85% of its revenue.
They have 8.8 BILLION coming in through 2032 in just TV revenue. That doesn't include ticket sales, sponsorships.

The NCAA makes way more from basketball than it does football. Football is controlled by the conferences/schools.

Also if they make the players into employees how do they do a CBA when players only have to be in college 3 years, the union would have insane turnover. It would require integrating the NFL and NFLPA.
Good luck with that.

That comes out to roughly $2.25 million per school per year. That is pocket change compared to football.

 

[upperdeck]

You think Auburn got Cam Newton to go there college for free? Same for Zion Williamson, Cam Reddish, and RJ Barrett to Duke?

Schools are already dirty. They are paying for the athletes as is. This bill is about the NCAA saying it can't make Eric Dunget ineligible to play college football if he does a commerical on TV with Billy Fuccillo.

dont care. but they are not buying a whole team of players and they will be if this passes..

 

[NKR1978]

NKR1978 - The "Plantation owners"?

Seriously? The "Plantation owners"?

How can anything you write be taken seriously when you refer to the college presidents as "plantation owners"?

In the grand scheme of things this amount of money is a drop in the bucket. But, I'm naive or beyond naive for recognizing that?

Google "NCAA plantation" and you'll get think pieces by people smarter than me explaining why the NCAA system is similar to the plantation system.

 

[NKR1978]

dont care. but they are not buying a whole team of players and they will be if this passes..

Why is that bad?

 

[upperdeck]

its not bad if you dont care about syracuse sports or the system as a whole.. does it blow up the ivy system since they dont allow scholies either?

Blow the whole system up.. no more scholarships just like it was back in the day.. let kids have jobs, just like they did back in the day, make kids pay their own way. It would save the colleges millions and kids would find their own value..

if they pass this doesnt HS become next?

 

[Alsacs]

That comes out to roughly $2.25 million per school per year. That is pocket change compared to football.

The NCAA tournament makes an insane amount for the NCAA.
Each unit is worth over 1 million dollars for conferences because the organization rakes in money. The NCAA tournament is why all those stooges makes 6/7 dollar jobs.

 

[NKR1978]

its not bad if you dont care about syracuse sports or the system as a whole.. does it blow up the ivy system since they dont allow scholies either?

Blow the whole system up.. no more scholarships just like it was back in the day.. let kids have jobs, just like they did back in the day, make kids pay their own way. It would save the colleges millions and kids would find their own value..

if they pass this doesnt HS become next?

Why will kids being allowed to get paid for signing autographs or appearing in commercials going to destroy the system?

 

[Townie72]

Google "NCAA plantation" and you'll get think pieces by people smarter than me explaining why the NCAA system is similar to the plantation system.

I can see some important differences. How about you?

 

[Alsacs]

dont care. but they are not buying a whole team of players and they will be if this passes..

How much money do you think the whole team of players are going to get for the likeness/endorsement deals?

You think entire teams are going to be bought? If so good for the players who are responsible for the game getting some of it.

 

[NKR1978]

I can see some important differences. How about you?

You can be like something and not have all the same qualities. A bunch of men at the top controlling all the money and deciding for themselves what the workers are worth.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The NCAA tournament makes an insane amount for the NCAA.
Each unit is worth over 1 million dollars for conferences because the organization rakes in money. The NCAA tournament is why all those stooges makes 6/7 dollar jobs.

They don’t have a vault that their employees use to swim in all this money. I would bet that there are very few schools making a significant amount of money on basketball. Especially outside of the P5.

 

[Hoo's That]

There is nothing wrong with it per se. The problem is Title IX. Paying football and basketball players that amount of money wouldn't be an issue.
You can't as a nonprofit institution which all colleges are violate the equal protection clause and pay male football and basketball players but not pay male soccer players, female field hockey players, male and female tennis players, and track field athletes.

Schools turn massive profits from football and basketball teams that subsidize the other programs which don't turn profits. If you give one sport a stipend and not the other sports that violates the law. What would happen is schools would cut nonrevenue athletics and keep the minimum that keep them in compliance with Title IX.

Plus eventually the stipend would lead to unions forming and athletes from these sports getting a stipend demand a collective bargaining agreement and more of the pie.

The stipend idea works in theory but it kills college athletics more.

I mean the issue right now is college football and men's college basketball. These athletes are getting a chance to make some money off their likeness and schools don't have to pay them still.

I believe the way the stipend works is that you get the percentage of the full stipend based on the percentage of your scholarship. That means everyone on the football and both basketball teams get a full stipend and and everyone else gets a piece of one. As long as you pay the female athletes that get a 25% scholarship the same amount for their stipend as the male athletes getting a 25% scholarship, you're OK.

 

[NKR1978]

How much money do you think the whole team of players are going to get for the likeness/endorsement deals?

You think entire teams are going to be bought? If so good for the players who are responsible for the game getting some of it.

I'd love to see some tiny school with a mega rich alum create a marketing campaign for a fully purchased team where they pay each of the 10 players $2m each. Heads would explode.

 

[upperdeck]

How much money do you think the whole team of players are going to get for the likeness/endorsement deals?

You think entire teams are going to be bought? If so good for the players who are responsible for the game getting some of it.

right now you have a few corrupt people paying for a few high end kids.. you make it legal and honest people with money get into the business..

so from what you are saying every company in the world is doing it wrong since the employees make almost none of the money?

the scholie and perks are worth 100K a yr tax free. When this happens the colleges will just remove that and suddenly some kids make money and the rest are broke.. they might as well be grad students working for dirt and paying taxes.

 

[NKR1978]

right now you have a few corrupt people paying for a few high end kids.. you make it legal and honest people with money get into the business..

so from what you are saying every company in the world is doing it wrong since the employees make almost none of the money?

the scholie and perks are worth 100K a yr tax free. When this happens the colleges will just remove that and suddenly some kids make money and the rest are broke.. they might as well be grad students working for dirt and paying taxes.

Why is it bad to let kids make money off their celebrity?

 

[Alsacs]

right now you have a few corrupt people paying for a few high end kids.. you make it legal and honest people with money get into the business..

so from what you are saying every company in the world is doing it wrong since the employees make almost none of the money?

the scholie and perks are worth 100K a yr tax free. When this happens the colleges will just remove that and suddenly some kids make money and the rest are broke.. they might as well be grad students working for dirt and paying taxes.

You realize companies are employing their employees correct?
Colleges aren't employing their athletes. They are supposedly student-athletes.
If I am on a music scholarship at Syracuse I can create music on my own time and get endorsements and make money from that,
If I am on a football or basketball scholarship I can't do the same thing because the NCAA says players can't make money from their own likeness/endorsement while on scholarship.

That is asinine.

 

[NKR1978]

You realize companies are employing their employees correct?
Colleges aren't employing their athletes. They are supposedly student-athletes.
If I am on a music scholarship at Syracuse I can create music on my own time and get endorsements and make money from that,
If I am on a football or basketball scholarship I can't do the same thing because the NCAA says players can't make money from their own likeness/endorsement while on scholarship.

That is asinine.

An actor, a political figure who hits it big (CJ Pearson, Cameron Kasky), musicians, some viral YouTube or Instagram star. They can all make money. Athletes can't. Seems unfair.

I might have this wrong, but I also think that students who assist with inventing something that's get a patent can get a cut of the profits. Might have that backwards though.

 

[upperdeck]

if you are in the NFL there are limits on what you can endorse, there are limits in things you can do, there are limits on other jobs you can take..

when you work for any company they can build in limits on what you can do or endorse there just isnt the same market for it.

again this is a system to try and make it fair for 100's of schools to compete, its not a system to make a few kids extra money.

if you want a system where kids get paid then build one.

 

[upperdeck]

An actor, a political figure who hits it big (CJ Pearson, Cameron Kasky), musicians, some viral YouTube or Instagram star. They can all make money. Athletes can't. Seems unfair.

the kids are getting paid tax free 1-200k a yr ..

 

[NKR1978]

the kids are getting paid tax free 1-200k a yr ..

It seems like the issue is jealousy. They're already getting so much that they shouldn't be allowed to ask for more, even if people are willing to give them more.