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In past years I made a report called “Net Points, etc.” after each game. I’ve decided to try to find ways to cut back on the time I spent doing these posts. I’ve decided to do them once a month rather than after each game.
Again, the ‘net points’ (NP) formula is to add up all the positives in the box scores for each player: points (p), rebounds (r), assists (a), steals (s) and blocks (b) and subtract the negatives: missed field goals (mfg), missed free throws (mft), turnovers (to) and personal fouls (pf). In addition to NP, I provide offensive efficiency (OE) and floor game (FG). OE is p – (mfg + mft), the points you are producing minus the missed shots you are making trying to produce them. FG is NP – OE. What are you doing for – or to- your team other than the attempts to score points. These numbers are all per 40 minutes of play. I also offer the average minutes per the number of games the player has played. Only recruited players are listed. Walk-ons, even if they get scholarships, are not. Players are listed by average minutes played per game.
All numbers are from the ‘stats’ page and game box scores, (see ‘schedule’) on Cuse.com:
Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics
JJ Starling 34.6m
13.1p 6.4r 4.5a 1.2s 0.3b = 25.3+
8.4mfg 1.0mft 2.5to 1.5pf = 14.0-
11.3NP 3.7OE, 7.6FG
He can contribute in a lot of ways. But a guard has to shoot the ball.
Judah Mintz 31.1m
26.2p 3.9r 5.3a 2.8s 0.2b = 38.4+
9.2mfg 2.4mft 3.3to 2.4pf = 17.3-
21.1NP, 14.6OE, 6.5FG
Judah is a good FT shooter (79.4%) but misses more than some worse FT shooters because he shoots so many of them.
Chris Bell 29.0m
20.1p 3.2r 1.0a 1.0s 0.9b = 25.9+
11.4mfg 0.6mft 1.2to 2.6pf = 15.8-
10.1NP 8.1OE 2.0FG
Bell and Taylor have both played exactly 203 minutes in 7 games.
Justin Taylor 29.0m
10.4p 8.5r 2.4a 1.4s 0.4b = 23.1+
7.5mfg 0.2mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 11.3-
11.8NP 2.7OE 9.1FG
Justin has also contributed in a lot of ways but, especially as Benny gets back into the line-up, his ticket is to shoot the ball.
Maliq Brown 19.3m
14.5p 9.2r 1.2a 5.3s 1.2b = 31.4+
2.1mfg 0.3mft 0.9to 4.7pf = 8.0-
23.4NP 12.1OE 11.3FG
Does everything efficiently but has no shot. The paint is his office.
Naheem McLeod 18.3m
12.5P 11.6r 0.0a 0.6s 6.25b = 25.3+
2.2mfg 1.6mft 0.6to 2.2pf = 6.6-
18.7NP 8.7OE 10.0FG
He’s doing a better job of rebounding the ball than people realize. And he knows how to use his body to block or prevent shots. When you’re 7-4, people always expect more.
Quadir Copeland 16.0m
11.4p 13.2r 5.0a 1.8s 0.4b = 31.8+
5.7mfg 1.1mft 3.9to 2.5pf = 13.5-
18.6NP 4.6OE 14.0FG
He can be a spectacular player but, again, he has no jump shot. He loves to go get the ball for his team.
Benny Williams 13.0m
13.1p 8.5r 2.3a 3.1s 0.8b = 27.8+
9.2mfg 0.0mft 3.1to 3.8pf = 16.1-
11.7NP 3.9OE 7.8FG
The best combination of talent and size on the team but where is his head?
Kyle Cuffe 12.6m
13.2p 5.0r 0.5a 0.9b 0.5b = 20.1+
7.7mfg 0.5mft 3.6to 7.7pf = 19.5-
0.6NP 5.0OE -4.4FG
He’s been kind of a disappointment so far. The guy in the highlight high school films who jumped out of the gym isn’t out there. His injury may still be impacting his game, perhaps permanently.
Peter Carey 3.0m
6.7p 13.3r 0.0a 0.0s 0.0b = 20.0+
6.7mfg 0.0mft 0.0to 6.7pf = 13.4-
6.6NP 0.0OE 6.6FG
He hasn’t had a chance to do much and hasn’t done much when he’s gotten chances. Painfully thin, he looks like a career reserve so far.
Mounir Hima 3.0m
0.0p 0.0r 0.0a 0.0s 0.0b = 0.0+
0.0mfg 0.0mft 0.0to 0.0pf = 0.0-
0.0NP 0.0OE 0.0FG
The numbers tell the story. Healthy, he would make a good back-up for McLeod. Instead we’ve got Brown playing out of position.
Not playing: Chance Westry (will be out the whole season?) and William Patterson, a sort of apprentice McLeod who will likely red-shirt. I wonder if he could make a decent back-up center with Carey not up to it and Hima still hurting.
TEAM
Some old favorites:
Unsettled Situations
[Second Chance Points+ Points off Turnovers] divided by [Offensive Rebounds + Opposition Turnovers)
We had 205 points in 196 unsettled situations = 1.046 points/situation
They had 194 points in 174 unsettled situations = 1.115 points/situation
With our passing and driving skills, this one surprises me. We had more points off turnovers, 132-96 but they had more second chance points, 73-98. I’d point to rebounds but we are only down 9 there, (275-284)
Manufactured Possessions
(One teams rebounds + the other team’s turnovers)
We had 275 + 113 = 388
They had 284 + 81 = 365
Keep taking the ball away! If we can break even on the boards, we’ll be in good shape.
Fast Break Percentage
(FBP/(defensive rebounds + blocks + steals)
We scored 96 FBP in 294 opportunities (32.7%)
They scored 78 FBP in 253 opportunities (30.8%)
We’re running but only a bit more than the other guys. Again, if we rebound better the difference could widen.
First Chance Points
(First Chance Points, which is total points - second chance points – fast break points – free throws made)
We had 549 – 73 – 96 – 90 = 290 FCP
They had 486 - 98 – 78 – 70 = 240 FCP
We are doing much better in our initial sets than I would have expected with our lack of jump shooting.
Assists
(The percentage of a team’s baskets that were assisted)
We assisted 96 of our 203 field goals = 47.3%
They assisted 91 of their 184 field goals = 49.5%
Assists are given for jump shots more than anything else but we have such a good passing teams and are trying to run every time we can, so we should get quite a few of them. Our oppoents are worse than we are from three point range, (31.7%-29.3%)
Team Offensive Possession Efficiency
If we just use FGA + (47.5% FTA) and thus count an offensive rebound as an additional possession and a turnover as a lost possession:
We scored 549 points in 522 possessions = 1.052 points/ possession
They scored 486 points in 497 possessions = 0.978 points/possession
We’ve played a good mix of good, mediocre and bad teams. But the ACC schedule will be more consistently challenging than this.
Team Shooting Efficiency
We scored 549 on 297 two-point attempts, 167 three-point attempts and 123 free throw attempts = 549 of a possible 1,218 points = 45.1% of possible points scored.
They scored 486 on 283 two-point attempts, 164 three-point attempts and 106 free throw attempts = 486 of a possible 1,164 points = 41.8% of possible points scored.
Driving to the basket and running increases you efficiency, even if they are two point shots.
Fouls
(Most fouls are called on two point shot attempts.)
We attempted 297 two-point shots and were fouled 111 times = 2.68
They attempted 283 two-point shots and were fouled 98 times = 2.89
I'm surprised that, with Mintz and 5 wins in 7 games, the gap in fouls isn't greater. At their rate, if they'd been attempted 297 two pointers, they'd have drawn the foul 103 times, so if this stat means anything, we aren't getting shorted by the refs.
Again, the ‘net points’ (NP) formula is to add up all the positives in the box scores for each player: points (p), rebounds (r), assists (a), steals (s) and blocks (b) and subtract the negatives: missed field goals (mfg), missed free throws (mft), turnovers (to) and personal fouls (pf). In addition to NP, I provide offensive efficiency (OE) and floor game (FG). OE is p – (mfg + mft), the points you are producing minus the missed shots you are making trying to produce them. FG is NP – OE. What are you doing for – or to- your team other than the attempts to score points. These numbers are all per 40 minutes of play. I also offer the average minutes per the number of games the player has played. Only recruited players are listed. Walk-ons, even if they get scholarships, are not. Players are listed by average minutes played per game.
All numbers are from the ‘stats’ page and game box scores, (see ‘schedule’) on Cuse.com:
Men's Basketball - Syracuse University Athletics
JJ Starling 34.6m
13.1p 6.4r 4.5a 1.2s 0.3b = 25.3+
8.4mfg 1.0mft 2.5to 1.5pf = 14.0-
11.3NP 3.7OE, 7.6FG
He can contribute in a lot of ways. But a guard has to shoot the ball.
Judah Mintz 31.1m
26.2p 3.9r 5.3a 2.8s 0.2b = 38.4+
9.2mfg 2.4mft 3.3to 2.4pf = 17.3-
21.1NP, 14.6OE, 6.5FG
Judah is a good FT shooter (79.4%) but misses more than some worse FT shooters because he shoots so many of them.
Chris Bell 29.0m
20.1p 3.2r 1.0a 1.0s 0.9b = 25.9+
11.4mfg 0.6mft 1.2to 2.6pf = 15.8-
10.1NP 8.1OE 2.0FG
Bell and Taylor have both played exactly 203 minutes in 7 games.
Justin Taylor 29.0m
10.4p 8.5r 2.4a 1.4s 0.4b = 23.1+
7.5mfg 0.2mft 1.8to 1.8pf = 11.3-
11.8NP 2.7OE 9.1FG
Justin has also contributed in a lot of ways but, especially as Benny gets back into the line-up, his ticket is to shoot the ball.
Maliq Brown 19.3m
14.5p 9.2r 1.2a 5.3s 1.2b = 31.4+
2.1mfg 0.3mft 0.9to 4.7pf = 8.0-
23.4NP 12.1OE 11.3FG
Does everything efficiently but has no shot. The paint is his office.
Naheem McLeod 18.3m
12.5P 11.6r 0.0a 0.6s 6.25b = 25.3+
2.2mfg 1.6mft 0.6to 2.2pf = 6.6-
18.7NP 8.7OE 10.0FG
He’s doing a better job of rebounding the ball than people realize. And he knows how to use his body to block or prevent shots. When you’re 7-4, people always expect more.
Quadir Copeland 16.0m
11.4p 13.2r 5.0a 1.8s 0.4b = 31.8+
5.7mfg 1.1mft 3.9to 2.5pf = 13.5-
18.6NP 4.6OE 14.0FG
He can be a spectacular player but, again, he has no jump shot. He loves to go get the ball for his team.
Benny Williams 13.0m
13.1p 8.5r 2.3a 3.1s 0.8b = 27.8+
9.2mfg 0.0mft 3.1to 3.8pf = 16.1-
11.7NP 3.9OE 7.8FG
The best combination of talent and size on the team but where is his head?
Kyle Cuffe 12.6m
13.2p 5.0r 0.5a 0.9b 0.5b = 20.1+
7.7mfg 0.5mft 3.6to 7.7pf = 19.5-
0.6NP 5.0OE -4.4FG
He’s been kind of a disappointment so far. The guy in the highlight high school films who jumped out of the gym isn’t out there. His injury may still be impacting his game, perhaps permanently.
Peter Carey 3.0m
6.7p 13.3r 0.0a 0.0s 0.0b = 20.0+
6.7mfg 0.0mft 0.0to 6.7pf = 13.4-
6.6NP 0.0OE 6.6FG
He hasn’t had a chance to do much and hasn’t done much when he’s gotten chances. Painfully thin, he looks like a career reserve so far.
Mounir Hima 3.0m
0.0p 0.0r 0.0a 0.0s 0.0b = 0.0+
0.0mfg 0.0mft 0.0to 0.0pf = 0.0-
0.0NP 0.0OE 0.0FG
The numbers tell the story. Healthy, he would make a good back-up for McLeod. Instead we’ve got Brown playing out of position.
Not playing: Chance Westry (will be out the whole season?) and William Patterson, a sort of apprentice McLeod who will likely red-shirt. I wonder if he could make a decent back-up center with Carey not up to it and Hima still hurting.
TEAM
Some old favorites:
Unsettled Situations
[Second Chance Points+ Points off Turnovers] divided by [Offensive Rebounds + Opposition Turnovers)
We had 205 points in 196 unsettled situations = 1.046 points/situation
They had 194 points in 174 unsettled situations = 1.115 points/situation
With our passing and driving skills, this one surprises me. We had more points off turnovers, 132-96 but they had more second chance points, 73-98. I’d point to rebounds but we are only down 9 there, (275-284)
Manufactured Possessions
(One teams rebounds + the other team’s turnovers)
We had 275 + 113 = 388
They had 284 + 81 = 365
Keep taking the ball away! If we can break even on the boards, we’ll be in good shape.
Fast Break Percentage
(FBP/(defensive rebounds + blocks + steals)
We scored 96 FBP in 294 opportunities (32.7%)
They scored 78 FBP in 253 opportunities (30.8%)
We’re running but only a bit more than the other guys. Again, if we rebound better the difference could widen.
First Chance Points
(First Chance Points, which is total points - second chance points – fast break points – free throws made)
We had 549 – 73 – 96 – 90 = 290 FCP
They had 486 - 98 – 78 – 70 = 240 FCP
We are doing much better in our initial sets than I would have expected with our lack of jump shooting.
Assists
(The percentage of a team’s baskets that were assisted)
We assisted 96 of our 203 field goals = 47.3%
They assisted 91 of their 184 field goals = 49.5%
Assists are given for jump shots more than anything else but we have such a good passing teams and are trying to run every time we can, so we should get quite a few of them. Our oppoents are worse than we are from three point range, (31.7%-29.3%)
Team Offensive Possession Efficiency
If we just use FGA + (47.5% FTA) and thus count an offensive rebound as an additional possession and a turnover as a lost possession:
We scored 549 points in 522 possessions = 1.052 points/ possession
They scored 486 points in 497 possessions = 0.978 points/possession
We’ve played a good mix of good, mediocre and bad teams. But the ACC schedule will be more consistently challenging than this.
Team Shooting Efficiency
We scored 549 on 297 two-point attempts, 167 three-point attempts and 123 free throw attempts = 549 of a possible 1,218 points = 45.1% of possible points scored.
They scored 486 on 283 two-point attempts, 164 three-point attempts and 106 free throw attempts = 486 of a possible 1,164 points = 41.8% of possible points scored.
Driving to the basket and running increases you efficiency, even if they are two point shots.
Fouls
(Most fouls are called on two point shot attempts.)
We attempted 297 two-point shots and were fouled 111 times = 2.68
They attempted 283 two-point shots and were fouled 98 times = 2.89
I'm surprised that, with Mintz and 5 wins in 7 games, the gap in fouls isn't greater. At their rate, if they'd been attempted 297 two pointers, they'd have drawn the foul 103 times, so if this stat means anything, we aren't getting shorted by the refs.
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