NET rankings coming Dec 1

[RedtheGOB]

It could be the game that plays a relatively large role in the firing of our head coach.

Yea, one of the beginning of the end games really.

Really though people were on the fence about tourney at all but if anyone said we'll make tourney with Donnie already injured they would never take that bet.

Autry just has a black cloud over this program. Alot self inflicted, but alot of bad luck too.

 

[jncuse]

According to Bart Torvik our tourney odds dropped from 30% pre-Vegas to 11% now.

That is because his model views our team as a far worse team post-Vegas than pre-Vegas. That's what 36 point losses do in a small sample. It wasn't necessarily losing those 3 games that killed our odds, which most bubble teams would do.

If we had lost that Iowa St game by 5, Bart Torvik model would view as a far better team, and that number probably would have not slid much farther down from the 30%.

 

[rocklloyd]

turns out i don't understand much anymore and I have little desire to learn about NET. is that apathy?

 

[phil77]

Individual teams are not picked based on their individual NET, so I'm not worried about the 90 number right now. Especially since its fluid.

Teams are based on quality of their wins and losses -- which is why its important that your conference mates have good NET's. I'm not too worried about our NET being low right now. I'm more worried about our capability of winning 11+ ACC games, and the ACC staying steady or improving a bit in December.

The ACC is potentially just strong enough this year, could certainly be better though, that we can get that conference in quality play with the right breaks. Will need one signature top level win somewhere though. Doesn't need to be tomorrow, but will need to be Duke, Louisville or perhaps another ACC team that really rises in conference play to a top 15 national level.

ACC has some work to do out of conference to gain some respect back. This week is big for them. We need the ACC to perform in the ACC/SEC challenge. Louisville still plays Arkansas, Indiana, and Tennessee out of conference; those are big games for ACC. NC State plays Auburn and Kansas. ACC wants to get more teams; they need to win these games, not beat up on each other in conference.

 

[NineOneSeven]

How about we get a good win for the first time in what, almost 2 years?


Ridiculous.

 

[jncuse]

ACC has some work to do out of conference to gain some respect back. This week is big for them. We need the ACC to perform in the ACC/SEC challenge. Louisville still plays Arkansas, Indiana, and Tennessee out of conference; those are big games for ACC. NC State plays Auburn and Kansas. ACC wants to get more teams; they need to win these games, not beat up on each other in conference.

They are relatively holding up with the big 3 as I have tracked above. They are clearly in slot #4, but not massively behind the power conferences like last year.

Numbers wise, and that is what drives the metrics, they have gained a lot of respect back from 2024/2025. But they are going to need to hold steady, or improve from what they have done early in the season.

 

[LAorange44]

How about we get a good win for the first time in what, almost 2 years?


Ridiculous.

650 days since our last quad 1 win

 

[phil77]

650 days since our last quad 1 win

Well that doesnt seem good

 

[NineOneSeven]

650 days since our last quad 1 win

Again, ridiculous. I understand the NET stuff fluctuates and there’s a level of randomness to what ends up Q1, Q2 etc in the end but the bottom line is we don’t win games that matter based on the current metrics. And that’s a problem.

Another chance tomorrow or the losing streak continues.

Win a damn good game!

 

[jncuse]

650 days since our last quad 1 win

I think we got 1 sometime in the last 2 years, and that was the first one in a long time. But I'm probably thinking about the ones from the 2023/2024 season which also ended a long gap.

Without looking at the numbers I'm thinking from 21/22 to 25/26 (a course of 5 seasons), there was only 1 season in the entire bunch that we got a Q1. Of course lots of time left in 2025/2026.

 

[LAorange44]

I think we got 1 sometime in the last 2 years, and that was the first one in a long time. But I'm probably thinking about the ones from the 2023/2024 season which also ended a long gap.

Without looking at the numbers I'm thinking from 21/22 to 25/26 (a course of 5 seasons), there was only 1 season in the entire bunch that we got a Q1. Of course lots of time left in 2025/2026.

We didn’t get any last year. Last one was red’s first season, road game at NC State

 

[NineOneSeven]

We didn’t get any last year. Last one was red’s first season, road game at NC State

And then we got blasted by them in the ACC tournament.

 

[jncuse]

We didn’t get any last year. Last one was red’s first season, road game at NC State

I got confused because in my head I remembered we had recently ended some long streak of futility in Q1 games, but that was actually the streak we ended way back in January 2024. Time flies.

We had an 0-25 Q1 game streak from February 9, 2021 from January 16, 2024, that we ended by beating Pitt on the road. That streak was over 1000 days.

Since the beginning of the 2020/2021, we are 4-45 in Q1 Games.

 

[phil77]

Since the beginning of the 2020/2021, we are 4-45 in Q1 Games.

If this doesn't scream "we need a continuity hire in the worst way," I don't know what would. When things are going that well, you do everything in your power to keep it going.

 

[23Zone]

None of these ranking systems matter at all if you don't ever win big / important games

 

[Starman]

I think we will go 5-1 before ACC play, and we will be around 70 NET going into the ACC. It just isn't going to be enough; we are going to have to pull off multiple upsets and not take any bad losses, even on the road, to climb enough to make the tournament. Basically, tomorrow is make or break.

What we've hopefully done (and even more hopefully other ACC teams have done) is get our NET rankings to top 75 before ACC play starts. At least become a quad 1 game on the road. Gaming the net helps the conference, not us. What helps us is conference mates also gaming the net.

 

[23Zone]

I'll start worrying about the NET rankings once we actually start beating some good teams, until then, it's fools gold lol

 

[jncuse]

I'll start worrying about the NET rankings once we actually start beating some good teams, until then, it's fools gold lol

Fools gold would imply that we actually have a good NET!
But in general your point stands.

 

[Archbold44]

What about the scenario where the team is MUCH better in 20 or so games with Donnie than in, say, several games without him AND he is playing at the end of the year?

 

[LAorange44]

What about the scenario where the team is MUCH better in 20 or so games with Donnie than in, say, several games without him AND he is playing at the end of the year?

If we are say 14-4 with wins against Duke, Louisville, and Virginia then we might have a shot. Don’t get me wrong we are going to win at least 9 ACC games but our record will be a lot of fluff

 

[690West]

650 days since our last quad 1 win

I’m happy to report it’s been 1 day since our last Quad1 win now.

 

[phsyra]

If we are say 14-4 with wins against Duke, Louisville, and Virginia then we might have a shot. Don’t get me wrong we are going to win at least 9 ACC games but our record will be a lot of fluff

we will also lose games to worse teams because of our free throw shooting

 

[blust2i3d4]

we will also lose games to worse teams because of our free throw shooting

I really don't worry about the bad free throw shooting. This team reminds me of 1987 team.

 

[Sbucketball]

Up 20 spots. We are now # 70 in NET rankings. We were #90 prior to spanking Tennessee.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Up 20 spots. We are now # 70 in NET rankings. We were #90 prior to spanking Tennessee.

spanking? we were a missed shot away from losing.