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Cooked. I know we can't turn down the NIL and Vegas because it's a multi year gig (and the next coach will want to be there hahaha).

But I'm watching an SMU team at #38 and all they've done is beat Butler by 2 points. They get Vandy next who is #3 in the Net without playing a single ranked team yet.

Apparently We can't even game the Net correctly.
 
RedtheGOB said:
Cooked. I know we can't turn down the NIL and Vegas because it's a multi year gig (and the next coach will want to be there hahaha).

But I'm watching an SMU team at #38 and all they've done is beat Butler by 2 points. They get Vandy next who is #3 in the Net without playing a single ranked team yet.

Apparently We can't even game the Net correctly.
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Shows you how stupid the ranking system is.
 
cusefan88 said:
Shows you how stupid the ranking system is.
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Don’t lose to Iowa State by 31, only beat Monmouth by 5, and lose to Kansas by 11. Oh and not pull off the win against Houston. They were feeding the algorithm good data points until Monmouth, since then it’s been almost all bad or some really bad except for Houston. If 90 is the floor, great, it should be. Plenty of ways to improve this ranking substantially over the next month.
 
If we lose to Tennessee, it is going to be bad, really bad. Our chances of making the NCAA Tournament will be slim to none; we will have zero room for error at all. Even if we beat who we are supposed to and lose to who we are supposed to, it will not be good enough.
 
phil77 said:
If we lose to Tennessee, it is going to be bad, really bad. Our chances of making the NCAA Tournament will be slim to none; we will have zero room for error at all. Even if we beat who we are supposed to and lose to who we are supposed to, it will not be good enough.
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Schedule was set up to find out the answer early.
 
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The ACC is substantially worse than I expected, though I kind of checked out of college basketball around 4 minutes into the second half of the Iowa STate game... Until this morning.

8 teams in the top40, which would be in line for an at large bid,
6 more in the outside looking in, from 41-100,
4 teams that are in the bad range, including miserable Georgia Tech at 201.

Importantly, right now, only 10 teams in the ACC are top 75 in the NET, which is the benchmark for a Quad 1 win if you win on the road. 4 more teams are between 76-90, so additional good wins can really help the conference as a whole in the December OOC schedule. But it is hard to see the conference really helping themselves in the next four weeks.

Syracuse have room to make it up, starting with Tennessee, but we are in a bad spot after a lousy showing in Las Vegas. Oh, what could have been!
 
Niastri said:
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The ACC is substantially worse than I expected, though I kind of checked out of college basketball around 4 minutes into the second half of the Iowa STate game... Until this morning.

8 teams in the top40, which would be in line for an at large bid,
6 more in the outside looking in, from 41-100,
4 teams that are in the bad range, including miserable Georgia Tech at 201.

Importantly, right now, only 10 teams in the ACC are top 75 in the NET, which is the benchmark for a Quad 1 win if you win on the road. 4 more teams are between 76-90, so additional good wins can really help the conference as a whole in the December OOC schedule. But it is hard to see the conference really helping themselves in the next four weeks.

Syracuse have room to make it up, starting with Tennessee, but we are in a bad spot after a lousy showing in Las Vegas. Oh, what could have been!
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The NET is a poor metric that needs to be rethought and revamped.
 
Niastri said:
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The ACC is substantially worse than I expected, though I kind of checked out of college basketball around 4 minutes into the second half of the Iowa STate game... Until this morning.

8 teams in the top40, which would be in line for an at large bid,
6 more in the outside looking in, from 41-100,
4 teams that are in the bad range, including miserable Georgia Tech at 201.

Importantly, right now, only 10 teams in the ACC are top 75 in the NET, which is the benchmark for a Quad 1 win if you win on the road. 4 more teams are between 76-90, so additional good wins can really help the conference as a whole in the December OOC schedule. But it is hard to see the conference really helping themselves in the next four weeks.

Syracuse have room to make it up, starting with Tennessee, but we are in a bad spot after a lousy showing in Las Vegas. Oh, what could have been!
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Its not that quite that bad for the ACC,but could certainly be better - we are #4. The last two weeks and neutral game results hurt the margin momentum from the first few weeks. NET does adjust down home games, and boost road games.

But I'm putting together a table showing where we are relative to the other conferences, and also showing where the ACC was compared to last year, where the ACC is way up in 2025 vs 2024. You will not need the same ACC results as prior years.

Also all the conferences have some sub 100 teams except for the SEC

SEC - 1
ACC - 4
BIG - 4
B12 - 4
BE - 6 (out of 11)

Big East are in the biggest trouble right now.
 
With respect to our NET of 90 -- disappointing, but its a very fluid number. I did expect it to be closer to 70.

Remember this NET is based on averaging the results of 7 games. It can move quickly in 2 or 3 games this early on. Unlike late in the season, where it can't really move to much.

And while the ACC is #4, its not totally out of whack with the 3 better conferences. Unlike last year where the ACC was in another realm NET wise. So with an 11-7 ACC, its potentially possible a satisfactory resume can be built up. ACC will need to play at least at the same level in December though -- would like to see some improvement after a tough week 3/week 4.
 
jncuse said:
With respect to our NET of 90 -- disappointing, but its a very fluid number. I did expect it to be closer to 70.
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Which, in all reality, it probably is. I think about these rankings less that 90 is 20 spots worse than 70, but more relatively, like tiers. Teams in the 70s and 80s are probably closer to each other than they are to the teams in 40s and 50s.
 
Here is the ACC vs other conferences. Based on my tracking I was expecting a little better, but I suspect my error came in diminishing of home games by NET.

ACC is far better positioned from where it was last year. 10 top 60 teams vs 5 for example. But it is still clearly positioned in slot #4, after SEC, B10, B12.

Compared to other conferences. Doesn't have the star power as the other 3 -- especially from #3-#6. In the middle "good", teams #7-#10 they are all very comparable. ACC could use a couple of their teams in the #11-#14 range to step up over the next month. (Syracuse, FSU, Virginia Tech all came out firing early in the year, but slowed down). Everybody but the SEC has it share of bottom feeders.

If I had to guess teams the SEC because of its lack of crud, is probably best positioned for double digit seeds. BIG and B12 are in the 8-10 range. But the ACC is going to come in a few seeds higher than prior years. Probably a 7 bid league. It will be hard for the Big East to get more than 4 given its early season start.



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jncuse said:
With respect to our NET of 90 -- disappointing, but its a very fluid number. I did expect it to be closer to 70.

Remember this NET is based on averaging the results of 7 games. It can move quickly in 2 or 3 games this early on. Unlike late in the season, where it can't really move to much.

And while the ACC is #4, its not totally out of whack with the 3 better conferences. Unlike last year where the ACC was in another realm NET wise. So with an 11-7 ACC, its potentially possible a satisfactory resume can be built up. ACC will need to play at least at the same level in December though -- would like to see some improvement after a tough week 3/week 4.
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I think we will go 5-1 before ACC play, and we will be around 70 NET going into the ACC. It just isn't going to be enough; we are going to have to pull off multiple upsets and not take any bad losses, even on the road, to climb enough to make the tournament. Basically, tomorrow is make or break.
 
Fly Rodder said:
Which, in all reality, it probably is. I think about these rankings less that 90 is 20 spots worse than 70, but more relatively, like tiers. Teams in the 70s and 80s are probably closer to each other than they are to the teams in 40s and 50s.
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I'm not sure where it was before the Iowa St game, but I suspect that game crushed our NET quite a bit, because as you note the range between #70-#90 is probably not that big.
 
phil77 said:
If we lose to Tennessee, it is going to be bad, really bad. Our chances of making the NCAA Tournament will be slim to none; we will have zero room for error at all. Even if we beat who we are supposed to and lose to who we are supposed to, it will not be good enough.
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According to Bart Torvik our tourney odds dropped from 30% pre-Vegas to 11% now.
 
phil77 said:
I think we will go 5-1 before ACC play, and we will be around 70 NET going into the ACC. It just isn't going to be enough; we are going to have to pull off multiple upsets and not take any bad losses, even on the road, to climb enough to make the tournament. Basically, tomorrow is make or break.
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Individual teams are not picked based on their individual NET, so I'm not worried about the 90 number right now. Especially since its fluid.

Teams are based on quality of their wins and losses -- which is why its important that your conference mates have good NET's. I'm not too worried about our NET being low right now. I'm more worried about our capability of winning 11+ ACC games, and the ACC staying steady or improving a bit in December.

The ACC is potentially just strong enough this year, could certainly be better though, that we can get that conference in quality play with the right breaks. Will need one signature top level win somewhere though. Doesn't need to be tomorrow, but will need to be Duke, Louisville or perhaps another ACC team that really rises in conference play to a top 15 national level.
 

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