NEWSFLASH TO THE SYRACUSE MEDIA WHO READ THIS SITE SOMEBODY ASK GROSS ABOUT METLIFE DEAL

[rrlbees]

I don't disagree, but at least it's finally a public admission that these games are about the $. Small steps towards a bit less BS out of Manley

And I believe he's talking about the ND games and not the whole 14 games.

 

[Alsacs]

Gross hasn't answered the questions I have raised. IthacaMatt nailed it. He needs to stay where the future Metlife games are coming from, and if he tried to move the games after the ACC move, or during the ACC-ND 5 game commitment.

 

[PoppyHart]

Why are we to believe that the 60 game deal will not be revised over the course of the next several years? Maybe ND becomes more entrenched in the ACC and plays 6 or 7 games a year. Maybe they buy out the contract and bolt to the Big 10. Just as the landscape was not clear when the original Metlife deal is signed, about the only thing certain is that it won't be the same when it ends.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Notre Dame is choosing to play its Shamrock game at Fenway Park. BC is lucky that ND is choosing to playing its home game at Fenway, but BC will be visiting South Bend in the BC's next rotation. Syracuse has to hope that ND will give us the same respect that they are giving BC. I won't hold my breath that ND will do this as they haven't said anything on this and if they were I would give them credit. I am not going to give ND any credit until they do it.

Syracuse will only get 1 game in Syracuse if the ACC has mercy on us and makes one of the 2 teams that will get a 3rd home game. We have 2 in 14(1 in 7) of this happening. I think Florida State and Clemson are more likely to get those home games or TV purposes than Syracuse is likely to get one of them.

how will bc be visiting ND in the next rotation.

and if they are...who cares?? bc has been a partner of nd for the last 20 years.

you flat out said Cuse wont get nd in the Dome with nothing but your thesis to back it up.

i said Cuse will get nd in the Dome, using the premiss that your thesis...is wrong.

no way Syracuse does not get nd in the Dome before this is done...

and i base that on the Law of Common Sense.

hell, they may even be a full time member by then. remember even this scenario...WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, based on reports out of south bend AND the ACC.


plus your whole theory is that gross got the shaft in this.

what if nd told swofford that the 1 thing they wont do in this 'potential' new scheduling agreement is drop the Syracuse games at Giants Stadium?? so he said, fine. but youre also going back to the Dome in the next wave???

gross may not even had a say in this.


cuseguy, im back in the tailgate. but ill only see people from 6-630 now.

the masses better line up early or their requests wont be heard.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

cuseguy, im back in the tailgate. but ill only see people from 6-630 now.

the masses better line up early or their requests wont be heard.

Only 30 minutes?

Rodney Hampton signed for the full hour last weekend.

 

[Alsacs]

Why are we to believe that the 60 game deal will not be revised over the course of the next several years? Maybe ND becomes more entrenched in the ACC and plays 6 or 7 games a year. Maybe they buy out the contract and bolt to the Big 10. Just as the landscape was not clear when the original Metlife deal is signed, about the only thing certain is that it won't be the same when it ends.

The ACC and Notre Dame have a contract which precludes the Irish from joining any other conference before 2026. I doubt Notre Dame would want to challenge that. The ACC wanted 6 annual games, Notre Dame wanted only 4 annual games so the 2 sides split the difference. Notre Dame wants to play a national schedule still, but it was getting tougher to schedule teams in October-November because of teams playing conference schedules. The Pac-12 and Big Ten have rules against non-conference games after week 4. The Pac-12 has granted USC and Stanford exemptions to this rule, but the B1G does not do the same for Notre Dame who typically has played 3 B1G teams annually.

I highly doubt this 60 game contract with ACC will be revised by either side unless the college football playoff passes a rule that requires teams to be in conference which I do not expect. That would by contract require the Irish to be members of the ACC until 2026.

 

[Alsacs]

how will bc be visiting ND in the next rotation.

and if they are...who cares?? bc has been a partner of nd for the last 20 years.

you flat out said Cuse wont get nd in the Dome with nothing but your thesis to back it up.

i said Cuse will get nd in the Dome, using the premiss that your thesis...is wrong.

no way Syracuse does not get nd in the Dome before this is done...

and i base that on the Law of Common Sense.

hell, they may even be a full time member by then. remember even this scenario...WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, based on reports out of south bend AND the ACC.


plus your whole theory is that gross got the shaft in this.

what if nd told swofford that the 1 thing they wont do in this 'potential' new scheduling agreement is drop the Syracuse games at Giants Stadium?? so he said, fine. but youre also going back to the Dome in the next wave???

gross may not even had a say in this.


cuseguy, im back in the tailgate. but ill only see people from 6-630 now.

the masses better line up early or their requests wont be heard.

I have perfectly explained why Notre Dame won't be visiting Syracuse before 2026. The only way it will happen if is Syracuse by miracle is one of the 2 teams that gets a 3rd Notre Dame under the 60 game deal between ND-ACC. If we aren't lucky and are of the 2 teams out of 14 that gets that 3rd home game then ND will never visit Syracuse one time between 2014 and 2026. This is a fact.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

In the long run this is a very smart move for SU. Sooner or later we will win one of these games and the exposure will be much more significant than a win at the Dome. I also love being in NY for an SU game in the fall, I live in Miami 2 1/2 hours and I'm in NY for a great weekend. The games on national tv from the biggest media center in the world. What's so bad about it?

Just wanted to say, brother, that I think you hit that freakin nail on it's head. NY's College Team just doesn't happen 'cause we advertise on cabs. DG has a plan, lets give it, in the least, a chance.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I have perfectly explained why Notre Dame won't be visiting Syracuse before 2026. The only way it will happen if is Syracuse by miracle is one of the 2 teams that gets a 3rd Notre Dame under the 60 game deal between ND-ACC. If we aren't lucky and are of the 2 teams out of 14 that gets that 3rd home game then ND will never visit Syracuse one time between 2014 and 2026. This is a fact.

again, its your thesis.

pretty good...but not fact.

for im pretty sure you didnt hammer out the negotiation points, or you wouldnt be spending so much energy here trying to get to the bottom of it.

and its quite possible that we would have made more $$, received more exposure...and gained more recruits, with the ND games at Giants Stadium and with teams like LSU playing the Dome than otherwise.

win/win.


people in the Dome is money.

a check from Giants Stadium...is more money.

like everyone says, win...and they will come (back to the Dome)

the current marketplace smart business decision is being played out.

 

[TheCusian]

There is a definite gap between how much this matters and the vigor in which the answer is being pursued.

Foul play? National security?

 

[BlackKnight76]

I would imagine that the NYC area has by far the largest alum group and is a very important asset for the university. I think the AD ought to be trying to tap into the largest market in the country at every opportunity he gets. Just seems to be common sense to me.

I saw a map from SU two or three years ago. At that time, we had 38k alumni in NYC proper (just the 5 boroughs), and 40k in the rest of the state as a whole, if I remember correctly. That doesn't count thousands in NJ and CT.

 

[kcsu]

I saw a map from SU two or three years ago. At that time, we had 38k alumni in NYC proper (just the 5 boroughs), and 40k in the rest of the state as a whole, if I remember correctly. That doesn't count thousands in NJ and CT.

Just run the ball on Saturday

 

[UnknownOrange]

Of course not, but I think you'd get a great crowd. 1 @SU, 1@Ralph wouldn't be too bad. Of course, the locals would complain. I still like the idea of playing UB regardless. It's just a thought.

I would mean it as a "home" game for UB or some other team haha

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Let's just move the FSU and LSU games to Met Life too and see people really go ballistic. Perhaps we could go below the standard 6 home game slate.

I honestly don't care if they call the Met Life games home games, neutral site games, or the Garden State bowl. We still have 6 games at the Dome. We still have some big time opponents coming to the Dome and SU makes a little extra cash. Players get to play in a big time stadium. Alumni and recruits in the tri-state area get to see a Cuse game close by. This thread has taken on a "Dumpster Fire" vibe. I guess that's good for the people embarrassed that that's the longest thread on here.

I once wrote a fan letter to Loni Anderson and she never wrote me back. I demand answers. I demand she respond. :bang:

 

[Alsacs]

again, its your thesis.

pretty good...but not fact.

for im pretty sure you didnt hammer out the negotiation points, or you wouldnt be spending so much energy here trying to get to the bottom of it.

and its quite possible that we would have made more $$, received more exposure...and gained more recruits, with the ND games at Giants Stadium and with teams like LSU playing the Dome than otherwise.

win/win.


people in the Dome is money.

a check from Giants Stadium...is more money.

like everyone says, win...and they will come (back to the Dome)

the current marketplace smart business decision is being played out.

Honestly I don't think either you or Moontan get what I am saying.
All 14 teams in the ACC will get 2 home games with Notre Dame and 2 games on the road that Notre dame will dictate where they are played.
ESPN/ABC will control the 30 ACC home games. NBC will control the 30 ND home games.
4 out of the 14 ACC will play ND a 5th time. 2 of them will go to ND a 3rd time and 2 will host ND a 3rd time.
Syracuse is using its 2 home games in 2014 and 2016 at MetLife. These games will be on ESPN/ABC as SU home games. We are not entitled to another ND home game unless the ACC chooses SU to be one of the 2 teams to get a 3rd ND home game. This is the ONLY way we will see ND at the Dome before 2026.
Kaiser what I just said is a FACT this is not a theory.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

In case anyone missed this from yesterday...

Gross told ESPN Radio in Syracuse that Notre Dame will play in Syracuse sometime between now and 2025 under their scheduling agreement with the ACC.

This is a fact.

 

[Alsacs]

Let's just move the FSU and LSU games to Met Life too and see people really go ballistic. Perhaps we could go below the standard 6 home game slate.

I honestly don't care if they call the Met Life games home games, neutral site games, or the Garden State bowl. We still have 6 games at the Dome. We still have some big time opponents coming to the Dome and SU makes a little extra cash. Players get to play in a big time stadium. Alumni and recruits in the tri-state area get to see a Cuse game close by. This thread has taken on a "Dumpster Fire" vibe. I guess that's good for the people embarrassed that that's the longest thread on here.

I once wrote a fan letter to Loni Anderson and she never wrote me back. I demand answers. I demand she respond. :bang:

Honestly I got nothing to say except if this thread doesn't interest you can choose not to read it. Your points are to act calm and make anyone who raises a point they would like answered to just and not ask any questions.

 

[Alsacs]

In case anyone missed this from yesterday...

Gross told ESPN Radio in Syracuse that Notre Dame will play in Syracuse sometime between now and 2025 under their scheduling agreement with the ACC.

This is a fact.

So is he saying that the ACC has promised him SU will be one of the 2 teams that will get a 3rd home game? If so he should say that as that is the only way what he said could be true.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Honestly I got nothing to say except if this thread doesn't interest you can choose not to read it. Your points are to act calm and make anyone who raises a point they would like answered to just and not ask any questions.

Thank you for clarifying for me what my posts meant. I never asked you to , but after reading that post, perhaps I should have, since, that was, evidently, the purpose of my post. I never said this thread didn't interest me. Watching your "stamp your feet and hold your breathe until your face turns blue" mentality reminds me of when I used to teach Kindergarten.

 

[KaiserUEO]

So is he saying that the ACC has promised him SU will be one of the 2 teams that will get a 3rd home game? If so he should say that as that is the only way what he said could be true.

i see no reason to think that wouldnt be the case.

everybody and their grandmother can see that nd wont have played in the Dome under your hypothesis.

therefore, the LAW OF COMMON SENSE states that Syracuse will get nd in the Dome at some point.

unless of course the ACC is in the business of screwing over 1 of its schools.

when? who gives a flyin . they were there for the 1st time in 100 years just a bit ago.

the college football axis doesnt spin around where nd plays its away games.

LSU is coming.

who else?? that should attract more of your focus.

 

[Alsacs]

People talk about this game being close for alumni to attend. I hope you all realize SU only had 39k for the game against #2 USC and the Trojans had 10k fans and last year vs. Penn state he crowd was 61k and Penn State had probably 30-40k of that crowd.
If moving the games to MetLife actually had huge SU crowds the argument would have some merit. This game on Saturday which is a SU home game will have double the ND fans in attendance to SU fans. Let's cater to those alumni who won't even make up half of the crowd.

 

[Alsacs]

i see no reason to think that wouldnt be the case.

everybody and their grandmother can see that nd wont have played in the Dome under your hypothesis.

therefore, the LAW OF COMMON SENSE states that Syracuse will get nd in the Dome at some point.

unless of course the ACC is in the business of screwing over 1 of its schools.

when? who gives a flyin . they were there for the 1st time in 100 years just a bit ago.

the college football axis doesnt spin around where nd plays its away games.

LSU is coming.

who else?? that should attract more of your focus.

The ACC wouldn't be screwing SU over if ND doesn't come to the Dome. Daryl Gross would have been screwing SU over by not adjudicating the original agreement or saying if he tried to do so.
I highly doubt the ACC has promised SU we would be one of the 2 teams to get a 3rd home game if they have done so it would allevate doubters if Gross would say he has gotten this assurance from the ACC.

 

[rrlbees]

In case anyone missed this from yesterday... Gross told ESPN Radio in Syracuse that Notre Dame will play in Syracuse sometime between now and 2025 under their scheduling agreement with the ACC. This is a fact.

I like the way he said between now and.

Betting much closer to 2025. Joe G, if he knows what he's talking about said the next ND game under the ACC agreement will be at ND.

Fact remains we lost a game vs ND in the Dome. And in all these statements, Gross ignores the other 10 MetLife games.

 

[KaiserUEO]

The ACC wouldn't be screwing SU over if ND doesn't come to the Dome. Daryl Gross would have been screwing SU over by not adjudicating the original agreement or saying if he tried to do so.
I highly doubt the ACC has promised SU we would be one of the 2 teams to get a 3rd home game if they have done so it would allevate doubters if Gross would say he has gotten this assurance from the ACC.

usc was labor day weekend.

not labor day weekend in the middle of Fn nowhere America, labor day weekend in one of the biggest beach states in the US and next to another state NY, with a huge island of beaches.

i see no reason why TGD should have tried to get out of the original agreement. hell, all 3 parties were probably thanking their lucky stars that it was in place.

i dont think anyone really cares that nd is not coming to the Dome in the immediete future.

but what the school needs to do, is to keep adding teams like LSU to the Dome slate.

focus your energy there, not to whether or not the school and the ACC tried to keep its product/business being played in the largest media market in the country.

an area that they just Fd up and let the b1g right into.

they are all in this together. the smart business move was to play it out and lordy lordy Syracuse gets mad coin and great exposure out of this.

every trade hurts, kid...or its not a good trade.

for the ACC its all for one and one for all, y'all.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I like the way he said between now and.

Betting much closer to 2025. Joe G, if he knows what he's talking about said the next ND game under the ACC agreement will be at ND.

Fact remains we lost a game vs ND in the Dome. And in all these statements, Gross ignores the other 10 MetLife games.

I posted my guess yesterday:

At Notre Dame between 2017-2019

In Syracuse between 2020-2022.

Back at Notre Dame between 2023-2025.

Looks like we "traded" a game in the Dome for two games at MetLife. We'll get 5 games with ND during this contract (2014-2025), but only 1 at home.

They have to double up on 1 team every 3 years, no reason why SU can't be one of them.