NEWSFLASH TO THE SYRACUSE MEDIA WHO READ THIS SITE SOMEBODY ASK GROSS ABOUT METLIFE DEAL

[Upstate]

Not the same money, market, or exposure. A needless away game.

Of course not, but I think you'd get a great crowd. 1 @SU, 1@Ralph wouldn't be too bad. Of course, the locals would complain. I still like the idea of playing UB regardless. It's just a thought.

 

[Crusty]

My intent is to hope that an Syracuse.com writer or radio host will read this thread and actually ask Gross the question. I already know the board is divided on this subject. I would call it the Bees/Alsacs wing who hate the Metlife SU "home games" and the Kaiser wing who love the NYC branding.

I don't care to drum up that debate I just want the Syracuse media to ask the questions when its appropriate. They scan this board for material all the time.

OMG I'm in a Kaiser wing? Oh, the humanity!

 

[longtimefan]

If you say so. I'll simply wait and see how it pans out.

The best possible scenario, considering that the MetLife games were already committed to, would be for these two games to be ACC neutral games. It's a win-win for everyone and doesn't step on anyone's toes. There's nothing out there to preclude that from happening.

There are 2 main issues, I think:

1.) MetLife games, going forward, should be neutral. They should be vs big-time opponents. We should approach the biggest of the big--Bama/Ohio St/ Texas/Florida/Tex A&M. Do you want to follow LSU's lead, and do a home-and-home? If not, how about a single game in the Meadowlands?

2.) The ND ACC games. ND (per their schedule) considers the 2 MetLife games to be road games, fulfilling their obligation to the league. Which means that the next 2 will be ND home games. If ND wants to give us a break, they could make one of them a "Shamrock Series" game, maybe in Philly or DC. But games 3 & 4 have to be considered ND home games, or the whole arrangement doesn't work, and some team will have to play 3 of their 4 at ND. Now, there are 4 extra games not accounted for by the current set-up--2 home and 2 away for ND. Maybe we get one of the aways, and they come to the Dome.

The deal covers 12 years, and maybe something similar will be renewed after that. But, who knows what college football will look like at that time.

 

[Alsacs]

If you say so. I'll simply wait and see how it pans out.

The best possible scenario, considering that the MetLife games were already committed to, would be for these two games to be ACC neutral games. It's a win-win for everyone and doesn't step on anyone's toes. There's nothing out there to preclude that from happening.

Honestly how does this make sense? They aren't ACC neutral site games. They are Syracuse home games being played at a neutral site under the ACC contract. Their is nothing else that could be said on this. I honestly don't think this fact can be debated.

 

[Chris02M]

Honestly how does this make sense? They aren't ACC neutral site games. They are Syracuse home games being played at a neutral site under the ACC contract. Their is nothing else that could be said on this. I honestly don't think this fact can be debated.

ND could move one of there home games VS us to NYC or Metlife or DC as a shamrock series game

 

[Chris02M]

Honestly how does this make sense? They aren't ACC neutral site games. They are Syracuse home games being played at a neutral site under the ACC contract. Their is nothing else that could be said on this. I honestly don't think this fact can be debated.

only way you could make them neutral is giving ND $ and probably getting one to air on nbc with acc getting a share of the revenue from that game. Seems way to complicated to be possible

 

[Moontan]

2.) The ND ACC games. ND (per their schedule) considers the 2 MetLife games to be road games, fulfilling their obligation to the league.

You don't know that. With the removal of the two Syracuse games from their home schedule would you at least entertain the possibility of having the two MetLife games be ACC neutral games?

While I know that some around here don't want to consider it, it's quite possible that ND, possibly due to conference pressure (hello Mr. Swofford), simply "did the right thing". It's also possible that SU will only get one true home game vs. two for ND. The latter, while not ideal, would be better than the way things stood originally.

In the end... the MetLife deal was understandable from a Big East perspective. SU now needs to make the best of it. I suspect that from an ACC perspective, TGD still would have made some sort of deal with a NYC venue. It likely would've involved fewer games, but it still would've been made. It's part of TGD's vision.

 

[Alsacs]

OMG I'm in a Kaiser wing? Oh, the humanity!

Nothing wrong with the Kaiser wing I just disagree. I am okay with his position he hasn't been rude he may get some facts wrong but nobody is perfect and I can understand the people who agree with his position.

 

[Moontan]

Honestly how does this make sense? They aren't ACC neutral site games. They are Syracuse home games being played at a neutral site under the ACC contract. Their is nothing else that could be said on this. I honestly don't think this fact can be debated.

I'm glad that you were there for Daryl's discussions with Swarbrick and Swofford. Oh, wait... clearly you weren't there or you wouldn't have started this thread.

Maybe TGD hasn't come clean on the details because they were/are still being finalized.

Maybe ND's schedule showed home/away games with SU the way they did to appease their fan base while they worked on filling their schedule.

Maybe ND isn't as evil as some would make them out to be.

You probably think that I'm smoking something funky... but I'm not.

At the end of the day, for ND to fit into the ACC it shouldn't be pissing off its peers... especially a fellow private school with which it has a history. While football may "drive the bus", "Olympic sports" (I didn't know that lacrosse was in the Olympics) and bowl access are what drove this move.

 

[Moontan]

he may get some facts wrong

"He" may get some facts wrong??

 

[Alsacs]

ND could move one of there home games VS us to NYC or Metlife or DC as a shamrock series game

This honestly is a best case scenario. I hope this happens but ND isn't obligated to do this.

 

[Alsacs]

I'm glad that you were there for Daryl's discussions with Swarbrick and Swofford. Oh, wait... clearly you weren't there or you wouldn't have started this thread.

Maybe TGD hasn't come clean on the details because they were/are still being finalized.

Maybe ND's schedule showed home/away games with SU the way they did to appease their fan base while they worked on filling their schedule.

Maybe ND isn't as evil as some would make them out to be.

You probably think that I'm smoking something funky... but I'm not.

At the end of the day, for ND to fit into the ACC it shouldn't be pissing off its peers... especially a fellow private school with which it has a history. While football may "drive the bus", "Olympic sports" (I didn't know that lacrosse was in the Olympics) and bowl access are what drove this move.

What discussions with Gross/Swarbrick/Swofford? I highly doubt Swofford gives 2 you know whats about this deal.

What details are you talking about? the ND-ACC 60 game contract was outlined by myself and longtimefan.

ND is evil because they wouldn't play us home/home to being with.

I don't think you smoking anything I just think you wrong in trying to stay these Metlife games are anything other than SU home games at Metlife. As they will be on the ACC's TV partner ESPN and not ND's TV partner NBC.

ND doesn't give two bleeps about SU or they would treat our FB with more respect. They care about themselves which is fine but they don't care about SU. They offered this deal to UConn and Rutgers before SU accepted it.

 

[longtimefan]

You don't know that. With the removal of the two Syracuse games from their home schedule would you at least entertain the possibility of having the two MetLife games be ACC neutral games?

In the end... the MetLife deal was understandable from a Big East perspective. SU now needs to make the best of it. I suspect that from an ACC perspective, TGD still would have made some sort of deal with a NYC venue. It likely would've involved fewer games, but it still would've been made. It's part of TGD's vision.

I do know that. The deal was 5 ACC games per year for ND. (Adjusted this year (4) and next(6) due to ND commitments). It will be 3 home/2 away, then 2 home 3 away going forward.

Just look at ND's schedules.

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/122013aaa.html

Both MetLife games are listed as @ SU.

This season, the other 3 ND ACC games are @FSU, UNC and LVille at home. We are the 4th game, which is an ND away game.

In 2016 (5 games), they have Duke, Miami and VT at home; NCSt on the road. We are the fifth, with the opening for an ND away game.

The MetLife deal was a good move when we were stuck in the BE. Could it have been better adjusted (from the SU perspective) after the whole ACC-ND deal? I don't know.

But, I do think that the next 2 SU-ND games after the first 3-year rotation will be ND home games.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Notre Dame plays 15 ACC games every 3 years. That's 1 game per ACC team, with 1 lucky ACC team getting a 2nd game.

Looking at ND's published schedules for 2014-16, it's obvious that SU got lucky.

Between 2014-16, ND has 8 home game and 7 road ACC games.

We'll play ND in 2017-19, probably on the road (ND will need 7 home and 8 road. If they mirror 2014-16, ND home opponents should be SU, FSU, VA, Clemson, Pitt, NC State*, and "Lucky (maybe BC)". ND road opponents should be NC, Louisville*, GT, WF, BC*, Duke, Miami and VT. *games are already confirmed)

We'll play ND in 2020-22, probably in Syracuse (ND will need 8 home and 7 road)

We'll play ND in 2023-25, probably on the road (ND will need 7 home and 8 road)

ND gets 30 home or Shamrock games, and 30"non-home" games. 60 games in 12 years.

Every ACC team gets 2 home and 2 road, except for the other 3 "Lucky" teams, who will get ND wherever they're needed that cycle.

We'll have played 2 road, 2 NYC, and 1 home. We traded 1 home game for 2 NYC games (and paychecks).

Doesn't this sound more plausable than the nightmare scenario where ND never comes to Syracuse never ever?

 

[longtimefan]

Notre Dame plays 15 ACC games every 3 years. That's 1 game per ACC team, with 1 lucky ACC team getting a 2nd game.

Looking at ND's published schedules for 2014-16, it's obvious that SU got lucky.

Between 2014-16, ND has 8 home game and 7 road ACC games.

We'll play ND in 2017-19, probably on the road (ND will need 7 home and 8 road. If they mirror 2014-16, ND home opponents should be SU, FSU, VA, Clemson, Pitt, NC State*, and "Lucky (maybe BC)". ND road opponents should be NC, Louisville*, GT, WF, BC*, Duke, Miami and VT. *games are already confirmed)

We'll play ND in 2020-22, probably in Syracuse (ND will need 8 home and 7 road)

We'll play ND in 2023-25, probably on the road (ND will need 7 home and 8 road)

ND gets 30 home or Shamrock games, and 30"non-home" games. 60 games in 12 years.

Every ACC team gets 2 home and 2 road, except for the other 3 "Lucky" teams, who will get ND wherever they're needed that cycle.

We'll have played 2 road, 2 NYC, and 1 home. We traded 1 home game for 2 NYC games (and paychecks).

Doesn't this sound more plausable than the nightmare scenario where ND never comes to Syracuse never ever?

We will get 5 games in this 12-year rotation. We know that 2 of the 3 not yet scheduled will be ND home games. I expect the last will (finally) be at the Dome.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You're assuming that SU is one of the 4 schools that gets a 5th game. Possible, but not guaranteed.

We're the only school that's playing ND twice in the 2014-16 cycle. They have to play someone twice every 3 years, don't they?

We get the extra game, but the trade off is that they're in NYC, not on campus.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Nothing wrong with the Kaiser wing I just disagree. I am okay with his position he hasn't been rude he may get some facts wrong but nobody is perfect and I can understand the people who agree with his position.

which facts...have i gotten wrong??

the ones you make up??

the ones you think the tea leaves are blowing towards???

or the ones you STATE ARE YOUR OPINION AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, THEN DONT READ ME??

 

[Alsacs]

Notre Dame plays 15 ACC games every 3 years. That's 1 game per ACC team, with 1 lucky ACC team getting a 2nd game.

Looking at ND's published schedules for 2014-16, it's obvious that SU got lucky.

Between 2014-16, ND has 8 home game and 7 road ACC games.

We'll play ND in 2017-19, probably on the road (ND will need 7 home and 8 road. If they mirror 2014-16, ND home opponents should be SU, FSU, VA, Clemson, Pitt, NC State*, and "Lucky (maybe BC)". ND road opponents should be NC, Louisville*, GT, WF, BC*, Duke, Miami and VT. *games are already confirmed)

We'll play ND in 2020-22, probably in Syracuse (ND will need 8 home and 7 road)

We'll play ND in 2023-25, probably on the road (ND will need 7 home and 8 road)

ND gets 30 home or Shamrock games, and 30"non-home" games. 60 games in 12 years.

Every ACC team gets 2 home and 2 road, except for the other 3 "Lucky" teams, who will get ND wherever they're needed that cycle.

We'll have played 2 road, 2 NYC, and 1 home. We traded 1 home game for 2 NYC games (and paychecks).

Doesn't this sound more plausable than the nightmare scenario where ND never comes to Syracuse never ever?

The only way Notre Dame will be visiting in the Dome before 2026 is if the ACC allows Syracuse to be one of the 2 teams that will get a 3rd home game with Notre Dame.

14 teams in the ACC 60/14 = 4 games for each, 2 teams will visit ND a 3rd time and 2 2 teams will get a 3rd home games. We are using our 2 guaranteed home games in 2014 and 2016, Dr. Gross knows this. We are likely not going to see Notre Dame in the Dome before 2026.

 

[longtimefan]

We're the only school that's playing ND twice in the 2014-16 cycle. They have to play someone twice every 3 years, don't they?

We get the extra game, but the trade off is that they're in NYC, not on campus.

You are correct, and I edited my post to that extent. We got 2 games in the first 3-year cycle, and will have one in each of the other 3. (Assuming the whole agreement isn't scrapped at some time.)

 

[Alsacs]

which facts...have i gotten wrong??

the ones you make up??

the ones you think the tea leaves are blowing towards???

or the ones you STATE ARE YOUR OPINION AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, THEN DONT READ ME??

Dude you said the next SU-ND game after these 2 in 2014 and 2016 would be in the Dome. That is just impossible unless ND has a Shamrock game in the Dome.

 

[Scooch]

It's kinda funny that many of the same people who loathe that overrated, selfish Notre Dame program that they want nothing to do with... are super pissed that they're not playing in Syracuse this weekend.

OH THE IRONY!

 

[Crusty]

Nothing wrong with the Kaiser wing I just disagree. I am okay with his position he hasn't been rude he may get some facts wrong but nobody is perfect and I can understand the people who agree with his position.

As they say, where you stand depends on where you sit. I sit 600 miles away and I have season tickets. I make it to the Dome for a couple of games a year. Now that we are in the ACC I got to go to NCS and MD last year and get to go to Clemson, BC and Wake this year. With ND that will be 5 games this year.

My family is all gone from CNY, but my wife has family in NYC and I have many friends from my 30 years of working in the city. For us, the MetLife games are great and are fast becoming a tradition for us. This year I am hosting 10 family and friends.

Playing top teams once a year in MetLife doesn't seem to me to be such a bad thing. SU season football tickets are the biggest bargain I know of and I don't think season ticket holders are being slighted in any way.

I would imagine that the NYC area has by far the largest alum group and is a very important asset for the university. I think the AD ought to be trying to tap into the largest market in the country at every opportunity he gets. Just seems to be common sense to me.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The only way Notre Dame will be visiting in the Dome before 2026 is if the ACC allows Syracuse to be one of the 2 teams that will get a 3rd home game with Notre Dame.

Why wouldn't they? Somebody has to get 3 home games, why can't it be us? Besides, it's not like all three games were actually in Syracuse.

From 2014-19, Boston College doesn't travel to South Bend once, unless they get to be the "lucky" team in 2017-19.

The 2015 game is a "Shamrock Series" Notre Dame home game being played at Fenway Park being covered by NBC (and we all know that NBC only covers ND home games)

The 2017 game is a ND road game at BC.

If BC can get 2 straight games in Boston, and 3 out of 4 during the 12 year contract, why can't we get 1 game in Syracuse?

 

[Alsacs]

It's kinda funny that many of the same people who loathe that overrated, selfish Notre Dame program that they want nothing to do with... are super pissed that they're not playing in Syracuse this weekend.

OH THE IRONY!

If we never played another game against Notre Dame I would be fine. If they are a true partner as a member of the ACC then they should have had more respect for our Football program then they have given us.

 

[Alsacs]

Why wouldn't they? Somebody has to get 3 home games, why can't it be us? Besides, it's not like all three games were actually in Syracuse.

From 2014-19, Boston College doesn't travel to South Bend once, unless they get to be the "lucky" team in 2017-19.

The 2015 game is a "Shamrock Series" Notre Dame home game being played at Fenway Park being covered by NBC (and we all know that NBC only covers ND home games)

The 2017 game is a ND road game at BC.

If BC can get 2 straight games in Boston, and 3 out of 4 during the 12 year contract, why can't we get 1 game in Syracuse?

Notre Dame is choosing to play its Shamrock game at Fenway Park. BC is lucky that ND is choosing to playing its home game at Fenway, but BC will be visiting South Bend in the BC's next rotation. Syracuse has to hope that ND will give us the same respect that they are giving BC. I won't hold my breath that ND will do this as they haven't said anything on this and if they were I would give them credit. I am not going to give ND any credit until they do it.

Syracuse will only get 1 game in Syracuse if the ACC has mercy on us and makes one of the 2 teams that will get a 3rd home game. We have 2 in 14(1 in 7) of this happening. I think Florida State and Clemson are more likely to get those home games or TV purposes than Syracuse is likely to get one of them.