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8 mill a month on scrap, estimated 1.5 billion, this was awhile back highly doubt they were 500 million off their estimate.
Man the hate for this guy is next level, you would think he took your girl off your arm.

You'd think that with 1.5 billion he wouldn't have so many grievances or need so many people defending him.

All these billionaires that can buy anything they want yet it's not enough and there's always someone else out to get them.

 

[Orangezoo]

At this point there just either needs to be a reconciliation or we put it to rest for a while. It’s a massive distraction and it shines a light on a divide in orange nation around the issue which helps no one.

Maybe if we can turn things around and start winning opinions will soften and a quiet reconciliation can be worked out but otherwise enough is enough. Appreciate everyone whose shared info and dasher trying to facilitate a conversation between Adam and the administration. Based on his feedback on that effort I think it’s time this fades away for a while. Etan and Eric re opening the conversation was not a bad idea if it was done with a more objective lens but that’s not how it’s been approached it seems.

Thus enough is enough for now.

 

[orange79]

I think the joke is they have these arbitrary rules for a guy who is worth a couple BILLION dollars. I know a guy who is a massive donor to Arizona, and I don’t know exactly what rules Syracuse is putting in place that you are talking about, but I do know, no other school I have heard of is turning away $$ and they will do damn near anything to get it, and sometimes these donors even tell the school pound salt they will do what they want, and their is no oversight to stop it. It appears Adam wants to do it with blessings which I respect but that is in fact rare.

I really don't care if he's worth eleventy BILLION dollars.

He could donate it all to the collective, if he wanted. He doesn't. And I don't believe the rules to be arbitrary - they apply to all donors.

I try not to psychoanalyze, but if he loved the university and/or the basketball team so much, he would follow their rules, regardless of how arcane, byzantine, whatever adjective you want to use they are. He doesn't appear to want to do that. Adam appears to love Adam, and his publicity. And there's nothing wrong with that. At all.

But don't paint him to be some altruistic saint who just can't find a way to contribute to the university's NIL cause. Because there's a very simple avenue to do so. He just chooses not to take that road.

This is how it appears to me, with no inside info and on the outside looking in.

 

[Acesn8s]

I really don't care if he's worth eleventy BILLION dollars.

He could donate it all to the collective, if he wanted. He doesn't. And I don't believe the rules to be arbitrary - they apply to all donors.

I try not to psychoanalyze, but if he loved the university and/or the basketball team so much, he would follow their rules, regardless of how arcane, byzantine, whatever adjective you want to use. He doesn't appear to want to do that. Adam appears to love Adam, and his publicity. And there's nothing wrong with that. At all.

But don't paint him to be some altruistic saint who just can't find a way to contribute to the university's NIL cause. Because there's a very simple avenue to do so. He just chooses not to take that road.

This is how it appears to me, with no inside info and on the outside looking in. View attachment 252024

Listen at the end of the day I simply want Syracuse to compete at the highest level and win National Championships. Last year was brutal, I have my season tickets and pay thousands of dollars throughout the year and I care if they win or lose. Numerous games last year I had people tell me they paid $10 bucks on stub hub for the seats next to me because the place was empty. For the Georgetown game a family of 5 got tickets for less then $150 bucks. Now the coaching staff deserves A Lot of blame for this, but our roster was sub par at best. This coming year in my opinion everything will
Need to go right to make the tourney. We get ACC revenue and is it SEC or Big Ten $$$ no but it’s a hell of a lot more then Big East schools are getting and yet ST. John’s has a roster that probably cost triple what ours will(probably a little bit of an exaggerated guess) how is this possible because they have Whale donors and we need them as well, or else last year will be the norm not the exception.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Let me say this again for anyone who doesn’t understand how fundraising actually works: building a sustainable NIL program takes years—and it requires a network of very wealthy people. AW has clearly done well for himself, but a crypto guy and convicted felon running scrap metal yards in Upstate probably isn’t moving in the kind of circles that can sustain a serious NIL operation.

The Lallys, on the other hand, are not only generous donors themselves but also have friends with deep pockets who are willing to give.

So realistically, what should the university do? Side with a guy who only makes flashy gifts, buys Instagram followers, and pays celebrities to sit with him? Or back the family that gives consistently at a much higher level and brings other major donors to the table?

Or maybe the school can figure it out, so both donate. Why does it have to be one or the other.

Not only do rich people have big pockets, they also have big egos. Maybe Weitsman wants a building named for him. SU needs to figure it out.

 

[tptcuse]

You'd think that with 1.5 billion he wouldn't have so many grievances or need so many people defending him.

All these billionaires that can buy anything they want yet it's not enough and there's always someone else out to get them.

I generally don't care either way and I didn't listen to the interview so maybe I am off base: The weird part to me is if he donated $2 million a year or more to a collective, as far as I know, there is nothing that would keep him from telling the world and still get publicity. Why is it one or the other?

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Or maybe the school can figure it out, so both donate. Why does it have to be one or the other.

Not only do rich people have big pockets, they also have big egos. Maybe Weitsman wants a building named for him. SU needs to figure it out.

Fine. Let’s just name the piss trough outside of section 336 after him and be done with this nonsense.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Fine. Let’s just name the piss trough outside of section 336 after him and be done with this nonsense.

I was actually going to suggest the troughs in my comment but didn't want to piss anyone off.

 

[dasher]

Many bs negatives immediately dispelled. That he didn’t donate to SU, donated over $1,000,000 dollar’s overall directly to athletics.

Then others here have said he didn’t pay for the security needs associated with his guests. He dispelled that explaining the university always billed him a week after the games suggesting he paid it.

He paid every penny for the $350,000 suite from demo to using a university contractor paying for literally everything associated for it including all contents food etc which he said is as it should be. It was suggested here he didn’t. Let the university use it for free for other events.

Dudes as transparent as Fran brown, mentioned part of the reason he did what he did was because he felt the need to give back to the area that’s been good to him, this being other directed for the area enhancing the Dome experience by bringing in these celebrities. This while admitting he’s simultaneously building his brand, nothing wrong with that win win scenario.

He never did anything without first checking with compliance, including recruits and the rapper directly refuting comments here, rather getting the greenlight from the University first for EVERYTHING!

Just don’t get the hate from many here nor and especially the jealous hate from the other “donor/donors wife” and that this all stems from a jealous rich person squabble just boggles the mind, such that they’re not going to accept help from a billionaire who will be more than happy (still!) willing to help us with NIL to the tune of $2 million a year, Etc.

And yet Somehow he’s staying loyal to SU and central NY in the face of all this, turning down suitors from other schools who are willing to do things his way. This won’t last forever.

FOR GODS SAKE SU leadership fix this with a meeting of the minds and mend these fences to maximize the chances for success. Help us to help you!

You are just taking AW's word for everything you just wrote. And that may all be true. Or, it may not be. The University has to this point, not gone public with their side. However, does it make any sense to you that the University would basically ban someone who was giving and willing to give more money for no reason?

 

[orangenauburn]

Or maybe the school can figure it out, so both donate. Why does it have to be one or the other.

Not only do rich people have big pockets, they also have big egos. Maybe Weitsman wants a building named for him. SU needs to figure it out.

This. Sell him on donating towards a dedicated recruiting facility to host recruits and their families on visits. Then it can be The Adam Weitsman Center for Recruits and other very very important people.

 

[mustacheovich]

Rich people have gotten very good at getting the public to believe they are victims

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Fine. Let’s just name the piss trough outside of section 336 after him and be done with this nonsense.

Only if they add urinal cakes with his initials.

 

[powdersmack]

There will be five former top 60 HS players on the roster

Can we please please stop with this narrative? HS ratings for those players are absolutely meaningless at this point, as we've seen.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Can we please please stop with this narrative? HS ratings for those players are absolutely meaningless at this point, as we've seen.

While we’re on narratives can we stop with the one that says we have no NIL this year.

 

[Cuseregular]

While we’re on narratives can we stop with the one that says we have no NIL this year.

Haven’t seen anyone say we have “no” NIL, just not enough. Which is true.

 

[dasher]

Haven’t seen anyone say we have “no” NIL, just not enough. Which is true.

What is true? That we don't have the most? Because we don't. But we had a lot this year. More than enough to be a very good basketball team. Whether we will or not, different story.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Haven’t seen anyone say we have “no” NIL, just not enough. Which is true.

George and Freeman alone are getting a million more than the entire team last year.

 

[MamesJungro]

Or maybe the school can figure it out, so both donate. Why does it have to be one or the other.

Not only do rich people have big pockets, they also have big egos. Maybe Weitsman wants a building named for him. SU needs to figure it out.

Because that’s not how it works. You’ve got egos to manage, capital campaigns to fund, private foundations with strict giving cycles, and tax-deferred giving vehicles with specific requirements and timing.

At the end of the day, they had a choice: stand with the family that made a $25 million facilities gift, or with the guy paying Jimmy Kimmel for Instagram clout.

If it’s a binary choice—and it seems like it was—what do you do? Alienate your biggest donors? Wealthy people have endless options for where to give. I’m grateful for the ones who choose Syracuse athletics.

 

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8 mill a month on scrap, estimated 1.5 billion, this was awhile back highly doubt they were 500 million off their estimate.
Man the hate for this guy is next level, you would think he took your girl off your arm.

So if he’s worth so much why doesn’t he donate. Nobody needs SU’s permission to donate to NIL. So why doesn’t he!!! He can stop doing his speaking tour trashing SU anytime he wants and just donate. Just like I can donate without asking permission. Tell me….. why doesn’t he!!!! Because he’s an attention - you know what and this is getting him more publicity.

 

[Acesn8s]

So if he’s worth so much why doesn’t he donate. Nobody needs SU’s permission to donate to NIL. So why doesn’t he!!! He can stop doing his speaking tour trashing SU anytime he wants and just donate. Just like I can donate without asking permission. Tell me….. why doesn’t he!!!! Because he’s an attention - you know what and this is getting him more publicity.

guy party’s with Celebrities on the regular and gets invites to everything including Michael Rubin’s white party not sure us discussing this is moving the needle. Again I simply want Red and Fran Brown to have every resource possible to win and win big.

 

[Jeremy L.]

guy party’s with Celebrities on the regular and gets invites to everything including Michael Rubin’s white party not sure us discussing this is moving the needle. Again I simply want Red and Fran Brown to have every resource possible to win and win big.

Saw a theory tied to this. Looking in 2025, definitely not a party you’d want to be at

 

[Cappy3]

You are just taking AW's word for everything you just wrote. And that may all be true. Or, it may not be. The University has to this point, not gone public with their side. However, does it make any sense to you that the University would basically ban someone who was giving and willing to give more money for no reason?

Frankly, none of this makes any sense to me. Why did SU ban AW? Why doesn’t he simply donate to one of the collectives? Why does Lalley (apparently) have some issue with AW? Why can’t we all just get along and do what’s best for SU athletics?

 

[BKCuse]

Does he even realize who Kiyan’s dad is? The son of a commencement speaker doesn’t transfer due to money ;-)

Saying we are going to lose Kiyan due to NIL is a bad way to make a good point.

Yes we will retain Kiyan but the more of our NIL budget he gets the less there is for everyone else. We will always need an extra 1-2 million dollars to add another piece

 

[IthacaMatt]

Another Weitsman article.
If you want to come back, just write a damn check. like everybody else.
Rent your suite, invite your celeb "friends".
What do you want, a hug?

Syracuse Orange: Adam Weitsman would love to come back. The ball is in SU's court.

Businessman and philanthropist Adam Weitsman, who has done some name, image and likeness deals with Syracuse Orange student-athletes in the past, says that he w

insidetheloudhouse.com

 

[IthacaMatt]

At this point there just either needs to be a reconciliation or we put it to rest for a while. It’s a massive distraction and it shines a light on a divide in orange nation around the issue which helps no one.

Maybe if we can turn things around and start winning opinions will soften and a quiet reconciliation can be worked out but otherwise enough is enough. Appreciate everyone whose shared info and dasher trying to facilitate a conversation between Adam and the administration. Based on his feedback on that effort I think it’s time this fades away for a while. Etan and Eric re opening the conversation was not a bad idea if it was done with a more objective lens but that’s not how it’s been approached it seems.

Thus enough is enough for now.

I honestly don't see why this is an issue. Weitsman hasn't contributed so much money to move the needle compared to other donors, who don't seek out his publicity.

Write a check. Or don't. But stop the whiny PR campaign about it.
Give SU enough money that they won't say "no".
Or just go away.