#notncaaproperty

[elimunelson]

Again. So what? How would football and hoops players getting a slim cut from jersey sales, or getting money for promoted tweets, harm a school’s athletic department budget?

it won’t be just that.


I think the real q is do people want hoops and football run like pro sports at the potential removal of other sports. I won’t say women’s sports because I beliece
It’ll be crew cross country tennis bc those don’t make money. For syraxuse to compete in the free market we will be sharpening the AD and removing loss leaders

I don’t like this because syraxuse is a university not IMG. I also don’t want to see loss leaders removed bc it makes the university a better place if we have athletes of all sports vs the two that make money

Scooch I think it is what you say it is for the start but it’ll become an arms race for endorsements and schools will get involved

It’s not the same as Matt Damon at Harvard being an actor on the side. buddy is nothing without Syracuse on his jersey so he will be leveraging being an SU hoops player for the endorsement from Faegans or the weed shop on Eerie Blvd. who’s gonna stop the more shady endorsements too?

 

[kcsu]

Your comment suggests you don't understand how social media would work in all of this.

I do and that is a good point. The fact remains that the vast majority of exposure and value is derived through the exposure provided by the institution and its affiliations.

 

[kcsu]

Is this really true? Are there really high school football and basketball players out there right now that have huge opportunities to make money on social media? It feels like their following is mostly friends and fans of the teams that are recruiting them.

No there are not. Take any professional sport. How many Pro athletes could make a living let alone millions off their likeness.
1% 2%.
Now equate that to college kids.
How about D2 or Jucos
Lets go HS.

Its a false premise.

 

[imdevo]

95-99% of all athletes at the D1, D2 & D3 level are a net loss to the school.

Then pay the 5%.

What am I missing?

 

[kcsu]

When people talk about trusts, or caps, I feel like we're fundamentally trying to solve different problems.

Competitive balance is not a problem to solve, big picture. Why it's even a goal is bizarre to me.

The problem to solve is that the NCAA restricts the rights of student-athletes to benefit from their identity. The identity they were born to have, and maintain as a living, breathing person.

Again, big picture, what does identity mean in the world today, and how much does it matter?

I view it as a human right. So the problem to solve, is that the NCAA is violating human rights.

Granted, my view seems extreme now. But I promise, in the not too distant future there's going to be a common global understanding that in a world that continuously overlaps more and more between the physical and digital, protection of identity is critical to human life.

Thats total crap. Kids have choices. Dont play college sports. Dont accept the scholarship and all that comes with it. Go solo. Life doesn't work the way you think. People work for companies there are rules. Its called a contract. Sign and abide. Nobody is being forced to play or work or join anything in this country. But life isnt a free ride.

 

[kcsu]

But see I don't actually view the issue as whether student-athletes come out ahead or not.

I view the issue of it being morally wrong and backwards that the NCAA imposes restrictions on any individual to benefit from who they are.

They dont force anyone to do anything. Its simple. Go play in the park. Take a video and sell it. Take the money you earn pay for anything you want including your education.

 

[TheCusian]

Thats total crap. Kids have choices. Dont play college sports. Dont accept the scholarship and all that comes with it. Go solo. Life doesn't work the way you think. People work for companies there are rules. Its called a contract. Sign and abide. Nobody is being forced to play or work or join anything in this country. But life isnt a free ride.

Lol. Google “collective bargaining”

When the entity handing out the contracts pushes down on it’s workers with a deal that is onerous, there is more recourse than “accepting the contract”

The deal gets worse with each tv deal, scholarships and amenities haven’t kept pace. Even the small bit of income from a video game name and likeness would help.

 

[TheCusian]

They dont force anyone to do anything. Its simple. Go play in the park. Take a video and sell it. Take the money you earn pay for anything you want including your education.

Yeah, what if instead of playing in the park the best players join professional leagues and the NCAA tv eyeballs continue to dwindle - the best players have way more clout and power than you think

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If that is true it is BS. That being said why do they even have weight rooms? Especially with cross contamination between teams. Also you would think it is restricted areas how did she get access to the men’s room?

 

[ROCuse]

Yeah, what if instead of playing in the park the best players join professional leagues and the NCAA tv eyeballs continue to dwindle - the best players have way more clout and power than you think

I’m not totally sold on this. At least in college basketball MY OPINION is that it’s more about the name on the front of the jersey than the back. The NBPA and owners will always fight it, but if the NBA removed the age restriction college basketball would march on. Same thing if the top 50 players just go right to the G League or Melo’s new league.

 

[TheCusian]

I’m not totally sold on this. At least in college basketball MY OPINION is that it’s more about the name on the front of the jersey than the back. The NBPA and owners will always fight it, but if the NBA removed the age restriction college basketball would march on. Same thing if the top 50 players just go right to the G League or Melo’s new league.

Not so sure. The talent drain hurts the college product. I'd also bet that the more unhappiness with NCAA will create more opportunities for more players. You and I have an affinity for certain names on front of jerseys - but our kids might choose YouTube'd videos of Melo's league.

Plus, deals like Michigan State signed where they start loading up the jersey with ads will further cheapen the product, IMO

 

[NKR1978]

Yep. Open support comes with risks anonymity mitigates. It won’t be for everyone.

Exactly - this opens up a really fun can of worms.

 

[orangepassion]

Not worth the time

So who’s your fav G league team and do you frequent their message board

It's not worth the time because I called your bluff and it didn't support your narrative.

In regards to your new point, it actually proves the value of the College Basketball experience.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

No there are not. Take any professional sport. How many Pro athletes could make a living let alone millions off their likeness.
1% 2%.
Now equate that to college kids.
How about D2 or Jucos
Lets go HS.

Its a false premise.

Yup.

And the money they earn goes to non revenue sports. The ADs break even when its all said an done. If you want to be pro players getting paid at least be transparent and admit you are OK to the student athletes who don't earn their schools money not existing to the same extent. Sports programs get cut every day as is we don't have golf or baseball or diving its not just mens sports that get cut or a title ix thing.

If you want to cut the players a piece of the pie from coaches salaries, facilities, and non revenue programs that is fine. But what is going to happen is once amateurism is up you will have 25 year old freshmen from Europe. If you lose the McDonalds AA to Kentucky why take a 3 star kid when you can get Mareks older brother who has been playing professionally for 6 years.

 

[SUFan44]

Then pay the 5%.

What am I missing?

Title IX. Not legal.

 

[imdevo]

Title IX. Not legal.

Hence the movement to change things.

Sickening to have a selected few profit from all these folks. Needs to change.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[SUFan44]

Hence the movement to change things.

Sickening to have a selected few profit from all these folks. Needs to change.

They are changing things. NIL is going to allow student-athletes to profit from & market themselves in a different way.

This does not mean that they will be entitled to a piece of the revenue schools receive from ticket sales, TV contracts, etc. This will probably cut into the corporate sponsorship numbers for some schools but this is a completely different stream.

 

[imdevo]

They are changing things. NIL is going to allow student-athletes to profit from & market themselves in a different way.

This does not mean that they will be entitled to a piece of the revenue schools receive from ticket sales, TV contracts, etc. This will probably cut into the corporate sponsorship numbers for some schools but this is a completely different stream.

Agreed with the NIL but they should be entitled to part of the revenue.

They are drivers of revenue (TV contracts, ticket sales, etc.). Literally.

 

[TheCusian]

It's not worth the time because I called your bluff and it didn't support your narrative.

In regards to your new point, it actually proves the value of the College Basketball experience.

Bwahaha.

No, I thought "I wonder what all of the people who are saying this thought about that" and then followed it up with "not worth looking it up" so I just left it there as a funny thought.

I hadn't thought of a narrative, but I'll take this moment to clarify:

If the players think they are getting the raw end of the deal (they are) and they choose to go elsewhere (it's already happened to us), then it will dilute the sport and hurt Syracuse Basketball. I'm rooting for the obvious solution: a better deal for the players, so I can see the best kids play in college - hopefully for us.

Being hostile to them and telling them "no one forces you to play" prolly is the opposite take.

 

[ROCuse]

Bwahaha.

No, I thought "I wonder what all of the people who are saying this thought about that" and then followed it up with "not worth looking it up" so I just left it there as a funny thought.

I hadn't thought of a narrative, but I'll take this moment to clarify:

If the players think they are getting the raw end of the deal (they are) and they choose to go elsewhere (it's already happened to us), then it will dilute the sport and hurt Syracuse Basketball. I'm rooting for the obvious solution: a better deal for the players, so I can see the best kids play in college - hopefully for us.

Being hostile to them and telling them "no one forces you to play" prolly is the opposite take.

It will not dilute the sport. The kids that want to play college ball will stay, improve, and fans can get more attached.

 

[kcsu]

Yeah, what if instead of playing in the park the best players join professional leagues and the NCAA tv eyeballs continue to dwindle - the best players have way more clout and power than you think

No they dont. Check out the ratings for the G league.

 

[SUFan44]

Agreed with the NIL but they should be entitled to part of the revenue.

They are drivers of revenue (TV contracts, ticket sales, etc.). Literally.

Why? They don't have a collective bargaining agreement. It's not a union. I don't get a cut of my company's revenue based on my work.

If they want to unionize, as I mentioned before, things will be drastically different from an earning's standpoint.

 

[imdevo]

Why? They don't have a collective bargaining agreement. It's not a union. I don't get a cut of my company's revenue based on my work.

If they want to unionize, as I mentioned before, things will be drastically different from an earning's standpoint.

Why? Because they bring all the revenue in. Of course things will be drastically different if they organize.

They won't bring zero home. It'll be a little more than that.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Why? Because they bring all the revenue in. Of course things will be drastically different if they organize.

They won't bring zero home. It'll be a little more than that.

You would kill the NCAAT as we know it. The P5 will not share $ with the NCAA and non P5 schools. So you are looking at something like a 40 team NCAAT made up of teams from P5 and at most Big East and AAC.