#notncaaproperty

[SUFan44]

Such jobs exist...and include a salary as well.

Oh? Do tell.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

95-99% of all athletes at the D1, D2 & D3 level are a net loss to the school.

100% of non-athletic scholarship recipients at any school are a net loss.

 

[NKR1978]

I’ve said this ad nauseam so I will stop after this but I think it’s naive to think the only side $ Kadary etc will have access to is from a Twin Trees commercial. If unregulated, it’s a bidding war for recruits with the promise of endorsement dollars. I mean, why wouldn’t it be?

If bags are being dropped now, multiply it tenfold if it’s out in the open. And watch the have nots, have less. Again, the players deserve more. A trust or a cap on earnings seem like a reasonable compromise.

Who cares though? At least it’ll be in the open and taxed.

 

[SUFan44]

100% of non-athletic scholarship recipients at any school are a net loss.

It's a discount rate. Vast majority of kids, unless you're a Rhodes Scholar or in desperate financial need, pay something.

Here is a fun exercise for you for non-revenue generating sports.

The women's lacrosse team at SU had an operating & wage budget of $2.7M in 2017-18, per the P-S. It is a non-ticket sport. Admission is free of charge for everyone. Meaning they generate no revenue from attendance.

They had a roster number of 43 student-athletes. Tuition, room & board was roughly $65,000 at SU that year. For argument's sake, let's call it $70,000.

Very few kids are paying $70,000 out of pocket to go to SU. But let's say all are. All sports at SU are fully funded, meaning they get the max number of athletic scholarships you can give. The max is 12 in women's lacrosse.

If there is no financial aid, no other University scholarships that these young ladies are getting, just athletic money, that means 31 kids would pay a full ride. 31 * $70,000 = $2.17M. Meaning at maximum, the school is netting a $430K loss for the sport.

That doesn't even take into consideration the cost of athletic trainers to the school, administrators at the school, media relations personnel, facilities personnel, etc.

All of this is offset in a major way by TV money for MBB & FB, but women's lacrosse contributes very, very little to that. If it was eliminated, the truth of the matter is not much would change. Fundraising is not listed anywhere, but I cannot imagine the team brings in the $430K per year that would be needed to have the sport break even. The corporate sponsorship revenue generation stream also is limited for this sport.

Long-winded way to say the vast majority of student-athletes -- 95-99% -- are coming out WAY ahead on this deal. Way ahead.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It's a discount rate. Vast majority of kids, unless you're a Rhodes Scholar or in desperate financial need, pay something.

Here is a fun exercise for you for non-revenue generating sports.

The women's lacrosse team at SU had an operating & wage budget of $2.7M in 2017-18, per the P-S. It is a non-ticket sport. Admission is free of charge for everyone. Meaning they generate no revenue from attendance.

They had a roster number of 43 student-athletes. Tuition, room & board was roughly $65,000 at SU that year. For argument's sake, let's call it $70,000.

Very few kids are paying $70,000 out of pocket to go to SU. But let's say all are. All sports at SU are fully funded, meaning they get the max number of athletic scholarships you can give. The max is 12 in women's lacrosse.

If there is no financial aid, no other University scholarships that these young ladies are getting, just athletic money, that means 31 kids would pay a full ride. 31 * $70,000 = $2.17M. Meaning at maximum, the school is netting a $430K loss for the sport.

That doesn't even take into consideration the cost of athletic trainers to the school, administrators at the school, media relations personnel, facilities personnel, etc.

All of this is offset in a major way by TV money for MBB & FB, but women's lacrosse contributes very, very little to that. If it was eliminated, the truth of the matter is not much would change. Fundraising is not listed anywhere, but I cannot imagine the team brings in the $430K per year that would be needed to have the sport break even. The corporate sponsorship revenue generation stream also is limited for this sport.

Long-winded way to say the vast majority of student-athletes -- 95-99% -- are coming out WAY ahead on this deal. Way ahead.

But see I don't actually view the issue as whether student-athletes come out ahead or not.

I view the issue of it being morally wrong and backwards that the NCAA imposes restrictions on any individual to benefit from who they are.

 

[OrangeDW]

These are college kids, Its hard for them to grasp the free market concept. If I'm Kadary and my teammate is getting a lot more money for commercials than I am, I'm going to be bothered by it.

If Kadary busted my butt in practice everyday, I’d understand. Ball don’t lie.

 

[orangepassion]

But see I don't actually view the issue as whether student-athletes come out ahead or not.

I view the issue of it being morally wrong and backwards that the NCAA imposes restrictions on any individual to benefit from who they are.

If the players agree w/ you, they don't have to play a minute of College Basketball. No one is forcing them to do so.

 

[orange79]

What they should be boycotting is title IX having to pay for all the female athletes to attend their university, be coached by high paid professionals, and compete in sports noone really watches for free.

THat is where the money they 'earn' actually goes. Athletic departments don't turn a profit even if basketball and football programs do.

Good luck championing any cause that goes against modern political correctness agendas though.

The alternate model would have come about by now if there wasn't a PC road block. Kids would be staying 4 years because a player like Tyus Battle with no shot at an NBA career despite being a top college player would make $500,000 as a senior and take a 90+ percent paycut upon graduation. You'd have players faking injuries to get 5th and 6th years of eligibility to not lose the high paying basketball job they got as teenagers. All Americans will end up at places like St Bonaventure because Kentucky and Syracuse players don't dare leave until their 4-5 years are up unless they get a lottery promise from an NBA team.

Revenue sports are their own thing. Pay the student employees most schools have other jobs for students not just sports its like working in the bookstore just pays more to play basketball than run a register. EVERYTHING else is club. The starting center gets the 800k/year that was budgeted for Field Hockey.

I've seen worse takes, but they're on sites I can't even link here.

Unbelievably knuckle-dragging and obtuse. Kudos.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I've seen worse takes, but they're on sites I can't even link here.

Unbelievably knuckle-dragging and obtuse. Kudos.

So you tell me where the money goes?

I should have included mens non revenue sports as well I apologize for that. These kids are playing/paying for the non revenue programs at their schools nothing more nothing less.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If the players agree w/ you, they don't have to play a minute of College Basketball. No one is forcing them to do so.

That's a clown take, bro.

 

[Scooch]

So you tell me where the money goes?

I should have included mens non revenue sports as well I apologize for that. These kids are playing/paying for the non revenue programs at their schools nothing more nothing less.

Again. So what? How would football and hoops players getting a slim cut from jersey sales, or getting money for promoted tweets, harm a school’s athletic department budget?

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Again. So what? How would football and hoops players getting a slim cut from jersey sales, or getting money for promoted tweets, harm a school’s athletic department budget?

Why stop there and not give them 50% of revenue like pro athletes get?

But yeah your right. Instead of attending class and getting degrees send the basketball team to destiny USA and have them sit there for 10 hours signing 5 dollar autographs every weekend. Every citizen of Syracuse is going to be lining up to buy a jersey for every guy on the team every year and have a closet of 100 Syracuse jerseys that cost 100 bucks each and the player gets 10 for. Each athlete gets .001 cent for every SU Basketball tweet. After 500 tweets in a season they get a cool 50 cents.

You are being silly that stuff is pennies compared to what they get for a scholarship. Most adults in the USA do not take home what it costs to attend SU annually.

If you want to be serious talk about giving them half the TV money and cutting non revenue sports to pay for it.

I mean maybe there should be other options. IE the coaching staff gets half and the players get half. I'd be fine with all the coaches taking a 50% cut and the players chopping the other 50%.

 

[SUFan44]

But see I don't actually view the issue as whether student-athletes come out ahead or not.

I view the issue of it being morally wrong and backwards that the NCAA imposes restrictions on any individual to benefit from who they are.

I have stated numerous times already in this thread that I think the NIL rules being implemented are absolutely the right thing to do.

Many people in this thread are looking at it from the perspective that all student-athletes should be getting a piece of the revenue pie that schools get. There is a difference.

 

[SUFan44]

100% of non-athletic scholarship recipients at any school are a net loss.

Also, for the record, this isn't accurate. It would be accurate to say 100% of non-athletic scholarships are a net loss. However it is funny money anyway, so really it isn't an actual loss. But I can agree with that take.

It is not accurate to say these scholarship recipients are a net loss. Majority are paying something. Vast majority, in fact.

 

[orangepassion]

That's a clown take, bro.

Of course it is, because it's not your opinion. We can't possibly just agree to disagree.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Of course it is, because it's not your opinion. We can't possibly just agree to disagree.

No, this isn't an agree to disagree scenario, when someone drops a "no one's forcing them" statement into the discussion, that is literally a statement that professionally employed clowns make.

 

[orangepassion]

No, this isn't an agree to disagree scenario, when someone drops a "no one's forcing them" statement into the discussion, that is literally a statement that professionally employed clowns make.

I could easily say the same about your opinion, but that's not the way I roll. It is amusing how you present opinion as fact. Your opinion has been either you agree with me or you're wrong.
You're not alone-This has become more and more common.

 

[ROCuse]

No, this isn't an agree to disagree scenario, when someone drops a "no one's forcing them" statement into the discussion, that is literally a statement that professionally employed clowns make.

Basketball players aren’t forced. Football... yea they’re forced.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I could easily say the same about your opinion, but that's not the way I roll. It is amusing how you present opinion as fact. Your opinion has been either you agree with me or you're wrong.
You're not alone-This has become more and more common.

I would take it as a compliment, clowns freak me out, man.

 

[TheCusian]

Who cares though? At least it’ll be in the open and taxed.

Yep. Open support comes with risks anonymity mitigates. It won’t be for everyone.

 

[Cusesky8214]

 

[TheCusian]

Every time somebody says “they aren’t forced to play” I resist the urge to dig through the archives to see what they thought about a certain recruit who forgo coming here to go to the G league

 

[orangepassion]

Every time somebody says “they aren’t forced to play” I resist the urge to dig through the archives to see what they thought about a certain recruit who forgo coming here to go to the G league

Go for it

 

[TheCusian]

Go for it

Not worth the time

So who’s your fav G league team and do you frequent their message board

 

[Day2]

Oh? Do tell.

Well, of course, your list was an exaggeration. Schools aren’t paying a mortgage, they’re paying rent. They don’t buy your groceries, they provide some meals. I’ve worked at places that provide all of those benefits aside from paying rent. But there are places that do that.

And if you worked somewhere that gave you all of those benefits - and let’s throw in a company car and 30+ days of PTO while we’re at it - you would still expect a salary.

(To clarify on paying medical bills, I’ve worked for employers that paid 100% of premiums while contributing to an HSA account. Employees in their 20s and early 30s without families were making money on that deal.)