Notre Dame is about to vacate their 2012 season

[Toga]

 

[leftytg]

What school do you root for?

Syracuse.

 

[sabach]

Syracuse.

What knowledge do you have that the policies of investigating and punishing charges of alleged sexual abuse by student athletes is different at SU than it is at ND?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

http://news.nd.edu/news/49851-notre-dame-reports-academic-misconduct-investigation/

Note: A news conference at 6 p.m. today will be streamed live on the University’s website, news.nd.edu, and the athletics website, www.und.com.

Get your popcorn ready.

 

[FAL]

So that means all these guys being expelled will be back on the team next year, right? That's the ND way.

aka Notre Dame redshirt?

 

[IDOC]

Why not just keep our mouths shut until all the facts come out. Since we all live in a glass football house perhaps we should not throw stones.
How about removing 44 Pride's crass post it is embarrassing

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel 5m
Evidence that students "submitted papers and homework that had been written for them by others" emerged end of summer session.

Pete Thamel ‏@SIPeteThamel 2m
The four ND players are withheld from practice and games until investigation is complete. No one has been dismissed.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6m
If investigation determines Notre Dame players would have been ineligible in past competition, ND will vacate victories

 

[storange]

2012...lets take degrees away.

if the golic's are named, im gonna have to stop listening to Boomer and Carton for a week and tune in to Mike & Mike...

ahh I might actuallly tune in to Mike and Mike Monday could actually be interesting

 

[retro44]

Wondering if Jerian Grant ratted this academic program out?

Ishac you might be able to start over at OCC as a sanitation engineer.

 

[Crusty]

Players were missing from practice

http://notredame.2 47sports.com/Bolt/Players-Missing-From-Fridays-Practice--30327030

Rut rho

 

[leftytg]

What knowledge do you have that the policies of investigating and punishing charges of alleged s e xual abuse by student athletes is different at SU than it is at ND?

I don't want to take this thread off on any more of a diversion, so I will try to restrain myself and won't give this the more comprehensive answer it deserves.
Too keep it simple - this has nothing to do with any differences in policies between Notre Dame and Syracuse. They are both subject to Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which outlines a school's responsibilities to respond promptly and effectively to sexual violence against students, as well as the Clery Act, which mandates the collection and distribution of crime statistics on campus.

This has everything to do with Notre Dame not following established policies and even basic good standards of police work. Let me ask you directly - are you ok with the way Notre Dame handled the Lizzy Seeberg case? You are eager to draw equivalencies with other schools, Syracuse in this case. I am unaware of any cases of a woman accusing a Syracuse player of rape and then seeing the investigation interfered with and covered up. Should that ever happen, I can assure you I would not let my extreme love and fandom of all things Syracuse cause me to look the other way. Put another way, if Jameis Winston was the QB at Syracuse I would be embarrassed and ashamed of the University.

Of course, other schools do get it right. UT recently suspended 2 players involved in a sexual assault (and the investigation was not interfered with). Oklahoma suspended Frank Shannon, even after police declined to prosecute, when their (ALERT ALERT) internal Title IX investigation found him guilty.

Bottom line - I will give credit where credit is due. Notre Dame absolutely seems to take academic fraud seriously, and they should be applauded for that. However, I do take umbrage at this notion that Notre Dame is a cut above, morally, because of this attention to academic fraud. In fact, the willingness to suspend players for academic fraud but the lack of willingness to take seriously the allegations of sexual assault points to a really jacked up system of values.

 

[Trueblue25]

hey

hey guys


Can we start a Notre Dame Dumpster Fire thread?

 

[Crusty]

Sorry. I just think that SU and ND play under a different set of rules than other schools.

Oh like Stanford?

 

[retro44]

120 Sports @120Sports
BREAKING: EXCLUSIVE via @CampusInsiders. Up to 22 current & former players involved in the ‪#‎NDScandal‬ More details to follow.

Kelly could be gone...next man up. S.S. would you be interested?

 

[sabach]

I don't want to take this thread off on any more of a diversion, so I will try to restrain myself and won't give this the more comprehensive answer it deserves.
Too keep it simple - this has nothing to do with any differences in policies between Notre Dame and Syracuse. They are both subject to Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which outlines a school's responsibilities to respond promptly and effectively to s e xual violence against students, as well as the Clery Act, which mandates the collection and distribution of crime statistics on campus.

This has everything to do with Notre Dame not following established policies and even basic good standards of police work. Let me ask you directly - are you ok with the way Notre Dame handled the Lizzy Seeberg case? You are eager to draw equivalencies with other schools, Syracuse in this case. I am unaware of any cases of a woman accusing a Syracuse player of rape and then seeing the investigation interfered with and covered up. Should that ever happen, I can assure you I would not let my extreme love and fandom of all things Syracuse cause me to look the other way. Put another way, if Jameis Winston was the QB at Syracuse I would be embarrassed and ashamed of the University.

Of course, other schools do get it right. UT recently suspended 2 players involved in a s e xual assault (and the investigation was not interfered with). Oklahoma suspended Frank Shannon, even after police declined to prosecute, when their (ALERT ALERT) internal Title IX investigation found him guilty.

Bottom line - I will give credit where credit is due. Notre Dame absolutely seems to take academic fraud seriously, and they should be applauded for that. However, I do take umbrage at this notion that Notre Dame is a cut above, morally, because of this attention to academic fraud. In fact, the willingness to suspend players for academic fraud but the lack of willingness to take seriously the allegations of s e xual assault points to a really jacked up system of values.

You asked me directly, so I will answer you directly. I am not okay with some of the allegations that came out of the Lizzy Seeburg case. Clearly, neither was ND which is why they added changes to their system to better comply with Title IX after that incident. As of right now, there are 55 schools who are under Federal investigation for failure to comply with Title IX and Clery with regard to sexual assault. Neither ND nor SU are on that list, FSU is on the list. So this notion you have that ND does not take the allegations of sexual assault seriously is belied by the fact that they are not currently under investigation for that charge.

 

[orangepassion]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 6m
If investigation determines Notre Dame players would have been ineligible in past competition, ND will vacate victories

The good ole vacating victories-Is that when we pretend they didn't play in the Championship game?

 

[qdawgg]

This is easy for Golic and Spitty to spin this:

ND has done a great job staying out in front of this and holding their student athletes accountable. They are going to vacate wins and suspend any players responsible. They have shown amazing virtue through all of this and have shown other schools how to handle situations like this. I couldn't be more proud of my University right now.

And that is how they will spin it and a lot of D.B.'s will eat it up.

 

[dasher]

Maybe it was Manti's girlfriend. :noidea:

I don't enjoy others problems (except UConn) but that was funny.

 

[dasher]

Athletes from other sports may be involved as well. Non-athlete students too. All allegedly getting expelled or suspended from school.

A university employee came forward and confessed to helping them cheat. All players interviewed today.

ND Honor Code violation. All allegedly getting expelled or suspended from school, including non-athletes.

Internal ND investigation and discipline. Next men in. Academic fraud not tolerated.

letting a manager get killed, that is a ok. Having a girl at another school raped, a ok. Just don't get caught cheating for sex. After all, ND is a Catholic college.

 

[dasher]

Question to the fellas...
Would you write papers for the Women's Volleyball Team in exchange for s e x?

of course. I met a ucla volleyball player yearsw ago and she was smoking. Plus, I like to write.

 

[rrlbees]

 

[anomander]

Athletes from other sports may be involved as well. Non-athlete students too. All allegedly getting expelled or suspended from school.

A university employee came forward and confessed to helping them cheat. All players interviewed today.

ND Honor Code violation. All allegedly getting expelled or suspended from school, including non-athletes.

Internal ND investigation and discipline. Next men in. Academic fraud not tolerated.

Jeez how many guys was this girl tutor screwing???Oh Lord

 

[OrangeMaNPD]

Better ask his Dad first.

Quick, what hat is his dad wearing?

 

[44PRIDE]

Quick, what hat is his dad wearing?