Notre Dame vs The World

[bpo57]

ND has a lot of heavyweights on their future schedules. I doubt they're all going to cancel them and pay buyouts. So it's going to be hard to prove out Wolken's theory for quite a while. And by then, who knows where we'll be with conference realignment and playoffs in this ever changing sport.

Follow the money, as they say. No way they're cancelling when they can jack up ticket prices and fill the stadium to capacity.

 

[bpo57]

You realize they used to do that, had the potential to do it when the Big East collapsed in 2013 and joined the ACC instead, and clearly want a home for all sports except football right?

So what you think is in direct opposition to all available data. I don’t just think you are wrong - I know you are wrong. All the available evidence makes that clear.

You think something like six games vs the SEC in five years means the SEC would totally go to thirty over five - that’s so unrealistic I’m astonished anyone would propose it.

They just cut deals with BYU and Clemson. This notion that somehow no one will schedule them going forward is delusional. ND's schedule is littered with P4 games over the next five years. If an AD has the opportunity to schedule an opponent that will sell out his stadium at elevated ticket prices then they'll cut that deal in a heartbeat. $$$

 

[bpo57]

I was looking for SU on that schedule. jk

 

[Forza Azzurri]

I was looking for SU on that schedule. jk

After this year’s beating, I think we are week 6.

 

[Ozone!]

Poor winey ND​

They have their own network broast and refuse to join any league which is their choice and then be upset that the league they are benefiting from fights for one of their own. Yes the Playoff field is often politicized and those selections are often wrong. So, ND stop your wining and move on!

 

[Cusefan95]

They just cut deals with BYU and Clemson. This notion that somehow no one will schedule them going forward is delusional. ND's schedule is littered with P4 games over the next five years. If an AD has the opportunity to schedule an opponent that will sell out his stadium at elevated ticket prices then they'll cut that deal in a heartbeat. $$$

Sigh - yes, some schools will sign deals with Notre Dame. But - and this is really really really critical fact that you are stubbornly committed to not acknowledging - there is a MASSIVE difference between finding six schools and finding 12 every year. Lets not forget that the reason they signed the BYU series was to fill the gap created by USC opting to not play them.

How about just acknowledging that Notre Dame was so vital to USC that the Trojans decided not playing them was their best option? Because that would be the first step to recognizing the reality that your position isn't actually matching the facts on the ground.

 

[TerryD]

Dan Wolken is lying. He was thrown out of ND's locker room right after the national championship game last year. He has an axe to grind. He was proven wrong later by this:

Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach

A person with direct knowledge of the communications between the Big Ten conference office and schools confirmed to@NBCSports that all 18 schools received the full language of the CFP MOU, which was unanimously supported by all current and incoming members in March 2024.



@NicoleAuerbach

The MOU language as it relates to Notre Dame has not changed since it was communicated to Big Ten schools last year, a second source says.



(So, Wolken and USC are lying. USC didn't just find out about the MOU, that was merely cover )

ND and USC were on the cusp of a two-year deal (understand, that is all this is about, all that USC would commit to), leaving the dates as they were for decades.

USC tried to pull the ole bait and switch at the last minute, scuttling the progress made and only wanting a Week 0 game.

It apparently believed its own propaganda that ND needed USC more than the other way around.

USC (and the Big Ten) thought that ND would have no choice but to capitulate to save the series, at least for two more years.

ND was mad at the bait/switch, said adios, and scheduled BYU instead.

 

[WoadBlue]

They just cut deals with BYU and Clemson. This notion that somehow no one will schedule them going forward is delusional. ND's schedule is littered with P4 games over the next five years. If an AD has the opportunity to schedule an opponent that will sell out his stadium at elevated ticket prices then they'll cut that deal in a heartbeat. $$$

But that does not apply to any school that also has a massive fan base. ND surely can guarantee a sell out at UNC, but UNC at Bama would mean more than 100K, so what value would ND bring to Bama? Next to nothing.

What ND wants is two things that contradict: ND wants to have such clout in ticket sales and TV audience that it can make all kinds of demands on even the Ohio States and Texases. Such schools do not need ND for a single penny of their massive football wealth. The BT and SEC as leagues do not need ND for anything. And on the flip side, ND sees its football are too precious, in every sense, to be tied down to the ACC, which does need what ND brings.

At some point, if the ACC has not managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat and thereby bring in more money, the Sec and BT between them will be able topic off the 6-8 most valuable ACC members. That will leave the ACC basically dead man walking. And ND then will be whoring to get admitted to the BT. And the BT, which will be half of the total control of the Top Tier CFB post-season, will make ND crawl to agree to what the BT wants.

Pride Goeth Before the Fall. And ND football has long paraded the Pride of Satan.

 

[bpo57]

But that does not apply to any school that also has a massive fan base. ND surely can guarantee a sell out at UNC, but UNC at Bama would mean more than 100K, so what value would ND bring to Bama? Next to nothing.

What ND wants is two things that contradict: ND wants to have such clout in ticket sales and TV audience that it can make all kinds of demands on even the Ohio States and Texases. Such schools do not need ND for a single penny of their massive football wealth. The BT and SEC as leagues do not need ND for anything. And on the flip side, ND sees its football are too precious, in every sense, to be tied down to the ACC, which does need what ND brings.

At some point, if the ACC has not managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat and thereby bring in more money, the Sec and BT between them will be able topic off the 6-8 most valuable ACC members. That will leave the ACC basically dead man walking. And ND then will be whoring to get admitted to the BT. And the BT, which will be half of the total control of the Top Tier CFB post-season, will make ND crawl to agree to what the BT wants.

Pride Goeth Before the Fall. And ND football has long paraded the Pride of Satan.

Very unlikely scenario imo.

 

[bpo57]

Sigh - yes, some schools will sign deals with Notre Dame. But - and this is really really really critical fact that you are stubbornly committed to not acknowledging - there is a MASSIVE difference between finding six schools and finding 12 every year. Lets not forget that the reason they signed the BYU series was to fill the gap created by USC opting to not play them.

How about just acknowledging that Notre Dame was so vital to USC that the Trojans decided not playing them was their best option? Because that would be the first step to recognizing the reality that your position isn't actually matching the facts on the ground.

You seem to take the view that the transition will happen immediately. It will take time. There are several here who think ND has no options and zero leverage. I don't see it that way.

USC chose not to play ND for two reasons - they didn't like where the game fell on their schedule and they knew playing ND seriously lessened their chances of making the CFP. Unique situation not really indicative of anything beyond that.

The reality is if anyone has a tenuous situation going forward it would be teams like SU and BC. Yet somehow the prevailing view here is that ND will spiral into oblivion.

 

[bpo57]

Dan Wolken is lying. He was thrown out of ND's locker room right after the national championship game last year. He has an axe to grind. He was proven wrong later by this:

Nicole Auerbach
@NicoleAuerbach

A person with direct knowledge of the communications between the Big Ten conference office and schools confirmed to@NBCSports that all 18 schools received the full language of the CFP MOU, which was unanimously supported by all current and incoming members in March 2024.



@NicoleAuerbach

The MOU language as it relates to Notre Dame has not changed since it was communicated to Big Ten schools last year, a second source says.



(So, Wolken and USC are lying. USC didn't just find out about the MOU, that was merely cover )

ND and USC were on the cusp of a two-year deal (understand, that is all this is about, all that USC would commit to), leaving the dates as they were for decades.

USC tried to pull the ole bait and switch at the last minute, scuttling the progress made and only wanting a Week 0 game.

It apparently believed its own propaganda that ND needed USC more than the other way around.

USC (and the Big Ten) thought that ND would have no choice but to capitulate to save the series, at least for two more years.

ND was mad at the bait/switch, said adios, and scheduled BYU instead.

This dude Wolken seems to step in sheet often. Embarrassing.

 

[Willy75]

But that does not apply to any school that also has a massive fan base. ND surely can guarantee a sell out at UNC, but UNC at Bama would mean more than 100K, so what value would ND bring to Bama? Next to nothing.

What ND wants is two things that contradict: ND wants to have such clout in ticket sales and TV audience that it can make all kinds of demands on even the Ohio States and Texases. Such schools do not need ND for a single penny of their massive football wealth. The BT and SEC as leagues do not need ND for anything. And on the flip side, ND sees its football are too precious, in every sense, to be tied down to the ACC, which does need what ND brings.

At some point, if the ACC has not managed to pull a rabbit out of the hat and thereby bring in more money, the Sec and BT between them will be able topic off the 6-8 most valuable ACC members. That will leave the ACC basically dead man walking. And ND then will be whoring to get admitted to the BT. And the BT, which will be half of the total control of the Top Tier CFB post-season, will make ND crawl to agree to what the BT wants.

Pride Goeth Before the Fall. And ND football has long paraded the Pride of Satan.

I think it’s arguable whether the ACC needs ND more than vice versa. That’s not to say that the “need” on either side is all that overwhelming.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

USC chose not to play ND for two reasons - they didn't like where the game fell on their schedule and they knew playing ND seriously lessened their chances of making the CFP. Unique situation not really indicative of anything beyond that.

I don't think it is unique, but the case for most Top 25 programs. They will not want to play ND past Columbus Day for the same reasons USC did not. Which is why ND needs the ACC so they can get games the last 6 weeks of the season.

 

[qdawgg]

Dan Wolken is lying. He was thrown out of ND's locker room right after the national championship game last year.

I heard they tried to force him to go up on a lift outside and he declined………

 

[WoadBlue]

Very unlikely scenario imo.

You think it is very unlikely that many SEC and BT people want to have 100% control over whatever the Top Tier of CFB will be? If so, you are naive about the desire of each to maximize wealth and power. The only reason so many SEC and BT people have been online for a decade talking about the inevitable new Tor Tier for CFB is that they want all the money.

If they are able to effect plans to take from the ACC what they want, they will be set. ND then will join up as full conference member or else not be allowed in the party. ND may be what it is, that still matters as much as it does, but ND by itself is nothing compared to the BT or SEC. Much less compared to the both acting in concert. Right now, SEC and BT between them hold ALL cards.

ND has 2 cards it can play if it wishes to avoid being in eight the BT (far, far more likely) or SEC. 1 card is for ND football to be a fun member of the ACC,and use that extra ACC power to then maxim the ACC strengths in football. The reboot of that would be a significancy bigger ACC TV deal, which wood make the ACC a permanent Power/Major conference that simply could not ever be cut out of any new Trop Tier. The other card is ND remaining independent in football but helping the ACC act aggrfessiviey to strengthen its football value. That will not increase the ACC's value as much as Card #1 would. but it would stabilize everything involving the ACC, probably enough so that the ACC could lead in creating a new football Top Tier of 4 leagues rather than just 2.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Culinary Institute of America, LOL, the preeminent chef school in the U.S., my cousin went there, that was a good one among many other good ones, i.e. "Retired Farmers..."

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[bpo57]

That's some big time journalism right there. Craig Carton? Didn't know he was outta jail.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Ha!

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[bpo57]

All I've ever read is that the NYG are interested in hiring somebody with NFL experience on the offensive side of the ball to coach up J Dart. It's also not 100% that the GM keeps his job. I wonder what NY will do if they have the #1 pick. -200 seems like a foolish bet. We'll see.

 

[FloridaCuse]

All I've ever read is that the NYG are interested in hiring somebody with NFL experience on the offensive side of the ball to coach up J Dart. It's also not 100% that the GM keeps his job. I wonder what NY will do if they have the #1 pick. -200 seems like a foolish bet. We'll see.

and that was a few weeks ago.

 

[bpo57]

and that was a few weeks ago.

Then you should lay the -200.

 

[Hoo's That]

Culinary Institute of America, LOL, the preeminent chef school in the U.S., my cousin went there, that was a good one among many other good ones, i.e. "Retired Farmers..."

Anthony Bourdain went there before it was as super-prestigious as it is now. He said in his book, that if you said back then that someone went to the CIA, the attitude would have been, "At least he didn't become a drug addict when he finished HS."