Notre Dame...

[Jake]

Was just put on notice as well. Their chances of making the final four without a conference title championship took one big mf'ing hit at 12:45pm today.

These aren't bowl execs making decisions. These games are going to be watched by everyone no matter who's in it...the ND fan factor won't sway the committee.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Was just put on notice as well. Their chances of making the final four without a conference title championship took one big mf'ing hit at 12:45pm today. These aren't bowl execs making decisions. These games are going to be watched by everyone no matter who's in it...the ND fan factor won't sway the committee.

An 11-1 Notre Dame team playing this year's schedule would get in.

 

[SmilinBob]

Was just put on notice as well. Their chances of making the final four without a conference title championship took one big mf'ing hit at 12:45pm today.

These aren't bowl execs making decisions. These games are going to be watched by everyone no matter who's in it...the ND fan factor won't sway the committee.

I disagree Jake. ND has a name and the prestige plus tv power behind them while Baylor and TCU don't. Now...if it were OU and Texas being left out then well...I'd agree with you.

 

[CuseOnly]

An 11-1 Notre Dame team playing this year's schedule would get in.

Not necessarily...

Hypothetical 1-3 are the same and instead of Baylor, replace them with ND at 11-1 (Loss to FSU) ...do they get in ahead of Ohio State with their same resume and the CCG blowout win over a highly ranked Wisconsin?

I don't think so, I would still put Ohio State and TCU ahead of them.

 

[Alsacs]

If ND was 11-1 and that loss was to Florida State no chance they would have made the top 4.

ND is on notice they need to be undefeated or have really good wins on their schedule or they won't make it. This may send the message to ND they might need a CCG in the future.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Not necessarily... Hypothetical 1-3 are the same and instead of Baylor, replace them with ND at 11-1 (Loss to FSU) ...do they get in ahead of Ohio State with their same resume and the CCG blowout win over a highly ranked Wisconsin? I don't think so, I would still put Ohio State and TCU ahead of them.

Notre Dame is 39th in strength of schedule; better than Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State, TCU, and Baylor. I think they definitely get in.

 

[SmilinBob]

Not necessarily...

Hypothetical 1-3 are the same and instead of Baylor, replace them with ND at 11-1 (Loss to FSU) ...do they get in ahead of Ohio State with their same resume and the CCG blowout win over a highly ranked Wisconsin?

I don't think so, I would still put Ohio State and TCU ahead of them.

Would FSU would move up if ND were 11-1? ND also would have beaten all the Big 10 teams they played (Michigan, Purdue and Northwestern) and would be easier to compare schedules with OSU. ND's only loss was FSU and OSU lost to a team that played in a conference that ND had 4 games against.

 

[supp]

If ND was 11-1 and that loss was to Florida State no chance they would have made the top 4.

ND is on notice they need to be undefeated or have really good wins on their schedule or they won't make it. This may send the message to ND they might need a CCG in the future.

This sounds right to me. What OSU proved is that a CCG as an extra game vs. ranked competition can help you overcome an early bad loss. ND has less margin for error than ever before. The fact that there are 5 power conferences fighting for 4 fixed slots has really closed some doors for ND. It was a more wide open system before. Shocking to me that Swofford was advocating for an 8-team playoff earlier this year. That only helps ND to stay indy.

 

[gocraz4dasu]

No they weren't. tOSU was chosen because they bring in a vastly bigger viewing audience than TCU or Baylor. If it was UT against tOSU then UT would have been chosen.

All about that money.

 

[CuseOnly]

Would FSU would move up if ND were 11-1? ND also would have beaten all the Big 10 teams they played (Michigan, Purdue and Northwestern) and would be easier to compare schedules with OSU. ND's only loss was FSU and OSU lost to a team that played in a conference that ND had 4 games against.

First off, the committee realized their mistake in putting TCU ahead of FSU to start with and corrected it. Make no mistake, they know they royally screwed that up last week.

In any case, you can't discount that OSU would have played 1 extra game guaranteeing to the committee that they are the best in their conference (prove on the field) and ND does not have that. Neither did the Big 12 teams, that is why they are not in the final 4, I believe that the same would hold true with ND. ND's resume was no better that TCU or Baylor.

 

[donniesyracuse]

The RPI picked the same four teams; just in a different order. We don't need a committee.

 

[Alsacs]

If the B12 adds Cincinnati and one of BYU/Memphis/UCF and Notre Dame agreed in the future to join the ACC who would 16 be? UConn, Navy or someone else?

I would go Navy or whomever ND wanted.

 

[supp]

If the B12 adds Cincinnati and one of BYU/Memphis/UCF and Notre Dame agreed in the future to join the ACC who would 16 be? UConn, Navy or someone else?

I would go Navy or whomever ND wanted.

Or the Big 12 goes away. Then the final four becomes a little easier to put together. The choice of a 16th then depends on what Texas does.

 

[bpo57]

Was just put on notice as well. Their chances of making the final four without a conference title championship took one big mf'ing hit at 12:45pm today.

These aren't bowl execs making decisions. These games are going to be watched by everyone no matter who's in it...the ND fan factor won't sway the committee.

I don't buy that at all. Its all about the dollars and ND brings a huge rating component to any playoff game. There are strong ratings and then there are very strong ratings. Higher ratings equal higher future contract dollars. One thing these NCAA dudes can do is add. I don't think it was the lack of a conference championship that did the B12 in. A bigger factor is that OSU will drive higher ratings and bring more fans to the game than either TCU or Baylor.

 

[bpo57]

If ND was 11-1 and that loss was to Florida State no chance they would have made the top 4.

ND is on notice they need to be undefeated or have really good wins on their schedule or they won't make it. This may send the message to ND they might need a CCG in the future.

Then they would have to give up a huge TV contract with NBC. Fools they are not.

 

[Alsacs]

Then they would have to give up a huge TV contract with NBC. Fools they are not.

NBC doesn't pay them that much. If the Irish decided to join a conference that conference and ESPN would make the money work for ND.

ND likes NBC because of the known time and exposure they get from them. If they signed with ESPN some games would be on ABC and some would be on ESPN. The Irish like the consistency of NBC.

 

[kcsu]

ND

 

[PeteCalvin]

I think The Ninja needs to go after PSU again and make a play for the jugular. If ND joins the ACC for full membership, the 16th team needs to be a solid program. There is no way UConn is considered because basketball won't matter this time around. Today cemented that Football is in charge. We got in at the right time because our football is putrid right now.

 

[kirbivore]

I think The Ninja needs to go after PSU again and make a play for the jugular. If ND joins the ACC for full membership, the 16th team needs to be a solid program. There is no way UConn is considered because basketball won't matter this time around. Today cemented that Football is in charge. We got in at the right time because our football is putrid right now.

Here's what scares me about the next shuffle which will inevitably happen. Say football stays putrid and hoops falls off a post JB cliff. I could see the ACC kicking SU to the curb in that scenario if they could get NYC by getting PSU to come on board.

 

[TheCusian]

Here's what scares me about the next shuffle which will inevitably happen. Say football stays putrid and hoops falls off a post JB cliff. I could see the ACC kicking SU to the curb in that scenario if they could get NYC by getting PSU to come on board.

Not a chance.

 

[SmilinBob]

First off, the committee realized their mistake in putting TCU ahead of FSU to start with and corrected it. Make no mistake, they know they royally screwed that up last week.

In any case, you can't discount that OSU would have played 1 extra game guaranteeing to the committee that they are the best in their conference (prove on the field) and ND does not have that. Neither did the Big 12 teams, that is why they are not in the final 4, I believe that the same would hold true with ND. ND's resume was no better that TCU or Baylor.

Neither was OSU's as TCU had about the same SOS. They compared OSU to Baylor with SOS and TCU on who won their conference. I do get the no win thing here as it was tough to pick but there is no doubt in my mind that ND, Texas or Oklahoma would have more pull even with the exact resumes.

 

[CuseOnly]

Neither was OSU's as TCU had about the same SOS. They compared OSU to Baylor with SOS and TCU on who won their conference. I do get the no win thing here as it was tough to pick but there is no doubt in my mind that ND, Texas or Oklahoma would have more pull even with the exact resumes.

Let's say for argument's sake that OSU, TCU and Baylor all had the same SOS. OSU gets in for the CCG that is not ambiguous but settled on the field and they are 13-1 instead of 12-1.

 

[SmilinBob]

Let's say for argument's sake that OSU, TCU and Baylor all had the same SOS. OSU gets in for the CCG that is not ambiguous but settled on the field and they are 13-1 instead of 12-1.

The Big 12 teams settled it on the field by playing every member. There was nothing more to be done. Also, then let ND have a wavier to play a 13th game if this is the criteria which was not told to the schools.

 

[CuseOnly]

The Big 12 teams settled it on the field by playing every member. There was nothing more to be done. Also, then let ND have a wavier to play a 13th game if this is the criteria which was not told to the schools.

If you are talking about them settling it on the field in September, then yeah I guess. A CCG is about the best 2 teams in the conference at the end of the year winning their respective divisions and playing it out for all the marbles.

A head to head matchup in September or October with really nothing on the line at the time, doesn't really qualify IMO. And apparently that same feeling is had by a lot of folks including the playoff committee.

 

[SmilinBob]

If you are talking about them settling it on the field in September, then yeah I guess. A CCG is about the best 2 teams in the conference at the end of the year winning their respective divisions and playing it out for all the marbles.

A head to head matchup in September or October with really nothing on the line at the time, doesn't really qualify IMO. And apparently that same feeling is had by a lot of folks including the playoff committee.

"Feeling"...still, the criteria should be explained ahead of time so everyone knows. Also, it's the NCAA that has stopped the Big 12 from playing a CCG because they have 10 teams.