Notre Dame...

[CousCuse]

"Feeling"...still, the criteria should be explained ahead of time so everyone knows. Also, it's the NCAA that has stopped the Big 12 from playing a CCG because they have 10 teams.

ND ,being a religious institution , should have been able to read the writing on the wall ; A CCG winner will have an edge , all other factors being close to equal.

 

[TheCusian]

As a ND poster said on the board: They'd rather have to go undefeated to get in than lose their independence.

Shows you how much denial flows through south bend.

 

[SUintheVille]

The days of independence are gone. NBC needs to realize that too. I don't blame ND for taking what NBC is giving them, but it's time for ND to join the ACC in football too. Their "brand" doesn't cut it anymore. When and if this will ever happen, who knows.

 

[TerryD]

As a ND poster said on the board: They'd rather have to go undefeated to get in than lose their independence.

Shows you how much denial flows through south bend.

How is that "denial"? That is a statement of reality with all of the facts known. That is a choice made after weighing all of the factors.

 

[KaiserUEO]

What fla st showed us this year, is that nd could go u defeated and be left out.

A new sheriff is in town...

The bevo and nd should take heed.

Who will act quicker and decisively to save their skin??

I know where my $$ is...

 

[TheCusian]

How is that "denial"? That is a statement of reality with all of the facts known. That is a choice made after weighing all of the factors.

Denial because the fans might be on board for that - but when it comes down to the zillion dollars and prestige in playing for National Championship vs some second tier bowl ... You guys will bend to it. Conference affiliation gets you an extra game vs a quality opponent (top 20) that you don't have access to now.

Truthfully, I'm not sure what independence gets you outside of NBC dollars.

Unless you're holding out hope for the 8 game playoff...

 

[nd1973]

If it becomes apparent that C.C games are a defacto inclusion we will stop being Independent.
Swarbrick has stated this and nothing has changed yet.

But one year of this is not enough for us to drop every thing and join in full. We will not panic..

 

[GoSU96]

No they weren't. tOSU was chosen because they bring in a vastly bigger viewing audience than TCU or Baylor. If it was UT against tOSU then UT would have been chosen.

All about that money.

The destroyed a 10-2, 24th offense, top 4 in rushing not running a wishbone/option attack, top 4 defense, team at a neutral site 59-0 with their 3rd QB.

That's why they were chosen.

Three one loss teams, OSU is 8th on offense, 15th on Defense, TCU is 4 and 34, Baylor 1 and 41.

Why should either one of those teams get in ahead of Ohio St?

 

[TheCusian]

If it becomes apparent that C.C games are a defacto inclusion we will stop being Independent.
Swarbrick has stated this and nothing has changed yet.

But one year of this is not enough for us to drop every thing and join in full. We will not panic..

It won't be a defacto - it's simply weighted as a quality game vs a very good opponent. If it gets close - like with FSU or OSU? I'd like to know I had my destiny in my hands. There won't ever be that for ND. There will be a one loss ND team not playing on that weekend - and another 1 loss team will add a quality win to their ledger.

The only way you control your own destiny is by winning every game. If you value your independence that much - more power to you.

 

[TerryD]

Denial because the fans might be on board for that - but when it comes down to the zillion dollars and prestige in playing for National Championship vs some second tier bowl ... You guys will bend to it. Conference affiliation gets you an extra game vs a quality opponent (top 20) that you don't have access to now.

Truthfully, I'm not sure what independence gets you outside of NBC dollars.

Unless you're holding out hope for the 8 game playoff...

The NBC dollars are less than schools like Purdue and Illinois make from just being part of the collective. ND is not independent because of NBC money being so much, rather, NBC is the means/vehicle to the ultimate end: Independence, by and for itself.

Independence for ND allows for them to play seven games not dictated by a conference, including games in California and series with Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, etc..

But more importantly, it is part of ND's identity. It sees itself as a national school, that plays and recruits nationally.

Conferences are regional by nature and limit that.

ND has never been in a football conference in the 127 years it has played football. Why give up that status?

ND has only had less than two losses once (2012) since 1993. Is the de facto "threat" of being "left out" of the playoffs really that important to jettison ND' s identity and unique status?

The playoffs are a very rare occurrence. Independence is all of the time.

 

[longtimefan]

The NBC dollars are less than schools like Purdue and Illinois make from just being part of the collective. ND is not independent because of NBC money being so much, rather, NBC is the means/vehicle to the ultimate end: Independence, by and for itself.

Independence for ND allows for them to play seven games not dictated by a conference, including games in California and series with Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, etc..

But more importantly, it is part of ND's identity. It sees itself as a national school, that plays and recruits nationally.

Conferences are regional by nature and limit that.

ND has never been in a football conference in the 127 years it has played football. Why give up that status?

ND has only had less than two losses once (2012) since 1993. Is the de facto "threat" of being "left out" of the playoffs really that important to jettison ND' s identity and unique status?

The playoffs are a very rare occurrence. Independence is all of the time.

You explain the ND thinking very well. That doesn't mean that the bean-counters won't win out, and perhaps in the quite short run.

 

[Toga]

Brian Kelly opines.
http://www.csnchicago.com/notre-dam...s-future-playoff-chances?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

 

[sabach]

ND will take its chances that it will get in at 12-0. Giving up independence just to make it easier to get in at 11-1 is not enough. If ND gets left out at 12-0 because it didn't play a CCG then they will go to a conference but not sooner. This is not just about money with ND.

 

[Btstimpy]

If the B12 adds Cincinnati and one of BYU/Memphis/UCF and Notre Dame agreed in the future to join the ACC who would 16 be? UConn, Navy or someone else?

I would go Navy or whomever ND wanted.

I would also go Navy. That would restore Maryland as an ACC state. It would make the transition to the ACC much easier for Notre Dame. ND would then still be able to have USC and Stanford plus 2 extra to do what they wanted with. I'd even let ND use an ACC game for the Shamrock Series if they wanted to. The ACC putting up with bad basketball at Navy would be a small price to pay in order for Notre Dame to join. We have enough other good basketball teams.

 

[sabach]

I would also go Navy. That would restore Maryland as an ACC state. It would make the transition to the ACC much easier for Notre Dame. ND would then still be able to have USC and Stanford plus 2 extra to do what they wanted with. I'd even let ND use an ACC game for the Shamrock Series if they wanted to. The ACC putting up with bad basketball at Navy would be a small price to pay in order for Notre Dame to join. We have enough other good basketball teams.

Navy football is not bad either and has a national following.

 

[CuseOnly]

"Feeling"...still, the criteria should be explained ahead of time so everyone knows. Also, it's the NCAA that has stopped the Big 12 from playing a CCG because they have 10 teams.

Was the Big 12 aware that they couldn't have a CCG unless they had at least 12 teams and 2 divisions? I am pretty sure that they were because they purposefully and deliberately did not add 2 teams to get to that point because they thought it was an "easier road" to the playoff.

That rule has been in place forever, they knew it, it is not an excuse.

BTW the NCAA has stopped EVERY conference with less than 12 teams from having a CCG, not just the Big 12.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I would also go Navy. That would restore Maryland as an ACC state. It would make the transition to the ACC much easier for Notre Dame. ND would then still be able to have USC and Stanford plus 2 extra to do what they wanted with. I'd even let ND use an ACC game for the Shamrock Series if they wanted to. The ACC putting up with bad basketball at Navy would be a small price to pay in order for Notre Dame to join. We have enough other good basketball teams.

Does Navy invest as much money into their Olympic sports programs as the other ACC schools do?

 

[Madbiker]

An 11-1 Notre Dame team playing this year's schedule would get in.

If ND went 11-1 this year (assuming the loss was to FSU) who were they going to beat out for a spot? IMO none of the 4 selected. They will be at huge disadvantage vs. conference champions. But I'm sure the leadership at ND is arrogant enough to believe they would be first choice...until it actually happens to them.

 

[nd1973]

If ND went 11-1 this year (assuming the loss was to FSU) who were they going to beat out for a spot? IMO none of the 4 selected. They will be at huge disadvantage vs. conference champions. But I'm sure the leadership at ND is arrogant enough to believe they would be first choice...until it actually happens to them.

We wouldn't have gotten in over OSU. Baylor and TCU maybe but not OSU. C.C.G. games matter.

 

[sabach]

We wouldn't have gotten in over OSU. Baylor and TCU maybe but not OSU. C.C.G. games matter.

I don't think ND gives up independence unless it gets left out at 12-0. As long as ND has a way to compete for a National Championship and stay independent IMO it will. Going undefeated still allows ND to do both.

 

[nd1973]

I don't think ND gives up independence unless it gets left out at 12-0. As long as ND has a way to compete for a National Championship and stay independent IMO it will. Going undefeated still allows ND to do both.

I don't think so.. If we get left out at 11-1 I think enough of the fan base(Not the oldtimers) will begin complaining . The anti crowd is not as big as it use to be because we have been so inconsistent the last 20 years.

I see it on some of my boards now(Not on ndnation I know Terry). People aren't as hardcore about it, they want to compete and compete for Championships.

 

[sabach]

I don't think so.. If we get left out at 11-1 I think enough of the fan base(Not the oldtimers) will begin complaining . The anti crowd is not as big as it use to be because we have been so inconsistent the last 20 years.

I see it on some of my boards now(Not on ndnation I know Terry). People aren't as hardcore about it, they want to compete and compete for Championships.

Well as an ND fan myself I always hated losing to Michigan early in the year. ND only played for National Championships and even if Michigan lost they still had the rest of the season to play for a Big 10 title. We may get to see what happens next year if the Irish have the year we hope and get left out at 11-1. Independence is a big thing at ND but maybe you are right.

 

[longtimefan]

Was the Big 12 aware that they couldn't have a CCG unless they had at least 12 teams and 2 divisions? I am pretty sure that they were because they purposefully and deliberately did not add 2 teams to get to that point because they thought it was an "easier road" to the playoff.

That rule has been in place forever, they knew it, it is not an excuse.

BTW the NCAA has stopped EVERY conference with less than 12 teams from having a CCG, not just the Big 12.

But now the Big 12 and the ACC have petitioned the NCAA to allow the conferences autonomy in choosing a method to determine a champion.

 

[Alsacs]

ND at 11-1 would not get in under a scenario like this year. They would need Ws over conference champs.
FSU was dinged for not winning games in a dominant fashion and just barely winning. FSU played ND, Florida and Oklahoma State in the nonconference.
A Notre Dame schedule of
5 ACC games
Navy
USC
Stanford
Purdue
3 TBAs
won't be good enough for 11-1 in the CFB playoff unless those TBAs are good wins.

 

[CuseOnly]

But now the Big 12 and the ACC have petitioned the NCAA to allow the conferences autonomy in choosing a method to determine a champion.

They can petition all they want, the committee decides who is in and who is out.