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Now that GMac is HC, what does next year's squad look like?

Scooch said:
Three guys from Siena in our 8 man rotation?

Please no. The NIL infusion is supposed to prevent that kind of thing.
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Do research, the three guys that were mentioned are being mentioned for a reason.
 
Scooch said:
I don’t think I made my point strenuously enough.

We CAN’T have three guys from *Siena* in our 8 man rotation!

I know a couple played OK in one half vs. Duke. That doesn’t mean they can hang against an 18 game ACC schedule and multiple good OOC opponents.

Gerry is the coach in large part because he’s the primary vehicle for a boatload of booster money. That money needs to buy us a great lineup. Not act as a jobs program for Siena players.
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In fairness Moesch is a top 160 recruit who has outplayed guys rated well above him and is only Siena via a large NIL commitment choosing them over PC. Folefac is probably the 9th man which I would argue is outside the rotation so technically it’s just Doty who would be in the rotation. Doesn’t reduce the point being made around who should get the minutes in them being major portal additions but I don’t think it’s fully correct to point to it as 3 Siena guys in the rotation.

Folefac is a high potential physical body 5-10 mpg player unless he has a monster summer. A year away as a key contributor at this level but reasonable depth.

Moesch is the unknown. His tape and how he played against much higher rated guys is eye opening especially given he’s a good athlete too. All that is nothing to what matters most and that’s the bigtime additions we get in the portal. Can’t get that wrong.
 
Orangezoo said:
In fairness Moesch is a top 160 recruit who has outplayed guys rated well above him and is only Siena via a large NIL commitment choosing them over PC. Folefac is probably the 9th man which I would argue is outside the rotation so technically it’s just Doty who would be in the rotation. Doesn’t reduce the point being made around who should get the minutes in them being major portal additions but I don’t think it’s fully correct to point to it as 3 Siena guys in the rotation.
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That’s fine. I’m just already exasperated at how small people are thinking.

We have the money, go get big time players. Stop with the inferiority complex. Talent wins.
 
Scooch said:
I’m familiar. They’re low major players. Maybe one, maybe, can hang in the ACC.
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I can't speak for the 2026 recruit, Moesch. But Doty and Folefac can absolutely hang in the ACC. Doty could potentially start with his current trajectory. And you know what, if he does everything better than the other guards who may have more raw talent, he will start, even if he isn't playing starting minutes overall. Because that is how Boeheim did things as well is that talent gave you the advantage to starting, but you had to be a good role model as well to get that starting role.
 
Scooch said:
That’s fine. I’m just already exasperated at how small people are thinking.

We have the money, go get big time players. Stop with the inferiority complex. Talent wins.
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We will see what happens, but the glue guys to me are even more important than the top tier talent. That was one issue last season, we had no glue guys or players that bought into being glue guys.
 
To start with, I have no idea and I hope a lot of the guesses in this string are wrong. I don't think what Gerry did at Siena gives one iota of an idea of what he will do at Syracuse as far as recruiting or roster construction. If I were to guess Moesch will get out of his commitment and follow Gerry. Likley Doty. But how many other players would we want from a 3rd place MAAC team that lost 12 games? As far as current roster my preferences in order are Kingz, White, George, Anthony and Betsey. I like Donnie but he is not aggressive enough. I am looking forward to seeing what kind of roster Gerry can assemble to match whatever style he wants to play. I just hope most of his transfers are from power conference teams like Kingz and Kyle were.
 
sufan59 said:
We will see what happens, but the glue guys to me are even more important than the top tier talent. That was one issue last season, we had no glue guys or players that bought into being glue guys.
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The “glue guys” are *absolutely* not more important than top tier talent. We didn’t become an elite program because of “glue guys”. We became an elite program because of Pearl and Coleman and Wallace and Anthony and Flynn and Johnson, etc.

Yeah we all love the bench guys but it’s the stars that get SU to final fours and win conference titles.
 
Scooch said:
That’s fine. I’m just already exasperated at how small people are thinking.

We have the money, go get big time players. Stop with the inferiority complex. Talent wins.
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We are on the same page here. I want to see P4 tournament team portal entries being our primary portal targets.
 
I don’t get the Kingz love around here. He smacks of the “he’s a decent player for Cuse, so we overvalue his worth” syndrome that has plagued these boards for so long. He’s an okay player. Nothing more. We certainly need a lot better than him as a primary player if we’re ever going to get a lot better and return to competing for top conference finishes. Filling your roster with players like Kingz will get you a nice fat 8th - 12th place finish in the ACC. Is that what we all want? No, we need to step up the acquisitions big time.
 
Scooch said:
I’m familiar. They’re low major players. Maybe one, maybe, can hang in the ACC.
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I can say for a fact that the one you are talking about has every coach hitting him up to come play there. They all think he can contribute at a high level.
 
SU91 said:
I don’t get the Kingz love around here. He smacks of the “he’s a decent player for Cuse, so we overvalue his worth” syndrome that has plagued these boards for so long. He’s an okay player. Nothing more. We certainly need a lot better than him as a primary player if we’re ever going to get a lot better and return to competing for top conference finishes. Filling your roster with players like Kingz will get you a nice fat 8th - 12th place finish in the ACC. Is that what we all want? No, we need to step up the acquisitions big time.
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I like Kingz on both sides of the ball. We have an entire roster to fill, not just a few spots, which can be a tall order. So if he's already here and wants to stay, we definitely should keep him. But then go get superstars from the portal and let Kingz play a role.
 
One thing about Doty- he’s got two more years. It’s not going to hurt if he’s a 6th man this year to then be able to adapt and be a bigger piece his senior year.
 
Orangezoo said:
In fairness Moesch is a top 160 recruit who has outplayed guys rated well above him and is only Siena via a large NIL commitment choosing them over PC. Folefac is probably the 9th man which I would argue is outside the rotation so technically it’s just Doty who would be in the rotation. Doesn’t reduce the point being made around who should get the minutes in them being major portal additions but I don’t think it’s fully correct to point to it as 3 Siena guys in the rotation.

Folefac is a high potential physical body 5-10 mpg player unless he has a monster summer. A year away as a key contributor at this level but reasonable depth.

Moesch is the unknown. His tape and how he played against much higher rated guys is eye opening especially given he’s a good athlete too. All that is nothing to what matters most and that’s the bigtime additions we get in the portal. Can’t get that wrong.
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My minor pushback on this would be whether or not Folefac would come here if the time is that insignificant. Maybe he would, honestly no idea.
 
Sbucketball said:
I like Kingz on both sides of the ball. We have an entire roster to fill, not just a few spots, which can be a tall order. So if he's already here and wants to stay, we definitely should keep him. But then go get superstars from the portal and let Kingz play a role.
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I agree. He’s a role player. To your point, keep him if he wants to stay for sure. But he’s not something to “build around”. I hope we can get the players that we need to supplant players like Kingz because so many thought we had a roster to compete based on players like him, but clearly we didn’t. This years roster was sub par to compete at the top of the conference. So, agree with your take. I’m just saying, he cannot be a primary player or we’re in trouble again. I’d say the same for most of our current players actually. He just seems to be a bit overrated by most.
 
Scooch said:
That’s fine. I’m just already exasperated at how small people are thinking.

We have the money, go get big time players. Stop with the inferiority complex. Talent wins.
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I think this would be more fair if people were saying we just need to add Doty and our team is set. The idea is you get Doty and the other two guys that likely come cheap and then have money to make your big splash at PG and C. Those two positions and whatever combo of White, Kiyan, and Donnie that we keep are going to cost us a ton.
 
Melancer46 said:
This is where things get real tricky for me lol. Liked him a lot in high school but he has done almost literally nothing in 3 years of college. If we're taking 3 players from Siena, he should not be one of them but I am definitely curious to see how he does where ever he lands.
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I wouldn’t even want him for the 15th roster spot given his struggles…
 
Scooch said:
Three guys from Siena in our 8 man rotation?

Please no. The NIL infusion is supposed to prevent that kind of thing.
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Not sure who you are responding to but for me, I would like to redshirt Moesch to give him a year to get stronger and use Fennell or.someone like him as the backup PG. Moesch will need some time to be ready to play at this level IMHO.

I think Doty and the strong 6’7 guy would been in our rotation this past season and are good enough to be in our rotation for next year. Nether should be expensive and we need hard workers to set an example for more entitled folks.

Of course we need a starting PG, a shooting guard who can shoot and a center. Don’t think Kiyan has a place on this team unless he suddenly becomes a 37.5% shooter from the 3 point circle.

Again, he is too small to play SF for us and a SG who can’t play defense and shoot from the outside is not what we want.
 
Orangezoo said:
I wouldn’t even want him for the 15th roster spot given his struggles…
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Yeah I think at this point he has to go somewhere where he can get serious minutes and try to build himself back up. At best a year too soon for us.
 

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