NYS proposes bill to directly pay collegiate athletes

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N.Y. senator proposes bill to pay college athletes N.Y. senator proposes bill to pay college athletes
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[FRANKIEFAN]

Is there any other program in NY State that turns a profit other than Cuse FB and BB?

I'd have to think travel costs and everything are greater than what UB takes in. Doubt the Johnnies clear anything after they pay all the rental fees etc at MSG.

Once you stop subsidizing non revenue sports while repealing Title IX and let all the other athletes be normal students playing club who have to pay for their own tuitition (and transportation to games etc) then you can cut checks to the FB/BB teams.

 

[Hoo's That]

Is there any other program in NY State that turns a profit other than Cuse FB and BB?

I'd have to think travel costs and everything are greater than what UB takes in. Doubt the Johnnies clear anything after they pay all the rental fees etc at MSG.

Once you stop subsidizing non revenue sports while repealing Title IX and let all the other athletes be normal students playing club who have to pay for their own tuitition (and transportation to games etc) then you can cut checks to the FB/BB teams.

The laws are set up for others to pay the athletes for endorsements, using their likeness, etc. No school, however rich or poor, is going to pay their athletes beyond the stipend they already get. And for state schools, that has to come out of funds not connected to the academic side of the house, both tax money and private contributions. You need to give up that pipe dream of repealing Title IX; that's just no gonna happen. Move on.

 

[Orange87]

What Tebow doesn’t mention in his ‘rah-rah, it’s all about the team’ sermon is that the universities and the media are making BILLIONS off of the athletes, and the vast majority will never have a chance to make any money at all off of their athletic endeavors. If nothing else, the kids that can, should be able to have financial control over their images and should be allowed to endorse products and make money off that.

You don’t want to straight up pay them? I’m sort of ok with that given that the scholarships they are given can be valued up to almost $300K depending on what school they are at.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

The laws are set up for others to pay the athletes for endorsements, using their likeness, etc. No school, however rich or poor, is going to pay their athletes beyond the stipend they already get. And for state schools, that has to come out of funds not connected to the academic side of the house, both tax money and private contributions. You need to give up that pipe dream of repealing Title IX; that's just no gonna happen. Move on.

I support Title IX under the current system there is no pipe dream.

If the floodgates open and athletes become employees there won’t be enough money to go around to fund non revenue sports at their current level. Programs that don’t turn a profit become club.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

What Tebow doesn’t mention in his ‘rah-rah, it’s all about the team’ sermon is that the universities and the media are making BILLIONS off of the athletes, and the vast majority will never have a chance to make any money at all off of their athletic endeavors. If nothing else, the kids that can, should be able to have financial control over their images and should be allowed to endorse products and make money off that.

You don’t want to straight up pay them? I’m sort of ok with that given that the scholarships they are given can be valued up to almost $300K depending on what school they are at.

For the most part the only athletes good enough to be marketable are going to go pro. Us college sports message board diehards are the minority. And they tend to graduate or leave for the pros within months of becoming famous. The exceptions are few and far between and would be a superstar like Dungey who didn’t have an NFL skill set despite being an all time great.

Making money off endorsements etc is just something that’s gonna happen at programs like Kentucky which they will use in recruiting to widen the gap. Is Billy Fucillo gonna give dozens of SU athletes their own commercials saying ITS GONNA BE HUGE!?!?! Probably not.

Now something like directly giving athletes a piece of the TV money and not letting the schools see it (deferred to graduation) makes sense to me.

 

[AlaskaSU]

The future.
Progressive States will authorize college athletes to earn money.
The disparity between have and have-nots will increase, and as a result
NCAA revenue will decline.
To save college athletics there will be a complete overhaul. Power 5 conference individual teams will align with NBA teams. NBA teams will determine the composition of college teams. They will draft the college players. Teams that come in last will get first pick. Players will not have a choice where they attend college unless they go to an unaffiliated school. This will restore parity. Attendance will increase. NBA teams will pay the college players a small salary. Rules will be created to determine what percentage of the roster have to be students. The rest will be older players such as G Leagues. They will add a measure of stability to college teams. New rules will determine when a Power 5 college player can be brought up to the big leagues, etc. The existing NBA G League will affiliate with non-power 5 schools.
Is this rant an LSD flashback from my student days of yore?

 

[Cusefan0307]

The future.
Progressive States will authorize college athletes to earn money.
The disparity between have and have-nots will increase, and as a result
NCAA revenue will decline.
To save college athletics there will be a complete overhaul. Power 5 conference individual teams will align with NBA teams. NBA teams will determine the composition of college teams. They will draft the college players. Teams that come in last will get first pick. Players will not have a choice where they attend college unless they go to an unaffiliated school. This will restore parity. Attendance will increase. NBA teams will pay the college players a small salary. Rules will be created to determine what percentage of the roster have to be students. The rest will be older players such as G Leagues. They will add a measure of stability to college teams. New rules will determine when a Power 5 college player can be brought up to the big leagues, etc. The existing NBA G League will affiliate with non-power 5 schools.
Is this rant an LSD flashback from my student days of yore?

The NBA is never aligning with college teams. You are off your rocker there.

The entire thing is going to end up being based off the Olympic model where kids can earn endorsements.

 

[Cusefan0307]

For the most part the only athletes good enough to be marketable are going to go pro. Us college sports message board diehards are the minority. And they tend to graduate or leave for the pros within months of becoming famous. The exceptions are few and far between and would be a superstar like Dungey who didn’t have an NFL skill set despite being an all time great.

Making money off endorsements etc is just something that’s gonna happen at programs like Kentucky which they will use in recruiting to widen the gap. Is Billy Fucillo gonna give dozens of SU athletes their own commercials saying ITS GONNA BE HUGE!?!?! Probably not.

Now something like directly giving athletes a piece of the TV money and not letting the schools see it (deferred to graduation) makes sense to me.

No. Just stop. Exaggerating.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I haven't followed closely, but based on the California situation, if this bill passes, will the NCAA threaten to expel all NYS member schools?

 

[Cusefan95]

Two things I feel comfortable predicting:

1) College athletics is going to look radically different 15 years from now compared to the current model.

2) Due to all the various stakeholders involved now, the future system will be even more corrupt and unjust than the current model. Won't be better...just different than current.

 

[Orange87]

I haven't followed closely, but based on the California situation, if this bill passes, will the NCAA threaten to expel all NYS member schools?

The NCAA has backed off their initial threat to expel schools. What else they can and will do remains to be seen.

 

[Brooky03]

The idea that there is a shortage of money to pay college athletes is a weird one. There are bad coaches who can’t consistently win mid-major conference championships who make a quarter million or more... to coach basketball... poorly. The money is there, even for schools that don’t show a “profit” (net revenue)

Nobody is saying college athletes will have to be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars either. If we go the route of letting them profit off their likeness, they’ll get whatever they get. Zero for some, maybe millions for others. That’s capitalism and fair. If they get paid by the schools, we’re probably talking about something like a grand per month. These schools aren’t going to be required to pay athletes hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe not even tens of thousands.

Based on reported football and basketball revenue and expenses, there are no less than 150 colleges that could swing the added expense. That includes paying athletes in sports that don’t make money.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Pay athletes the market rate. They then pay for school.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

The idea that there is a shortage of money to pay college athletes is a weird one. There are bad coaches who can’t consistently win mid-major conference championships who make a quarter million or more... to coach basketball... poorly. The money is there, even for schools that don’t show a “profit” (net revenue)

Nobody is saying college athletes will have to be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars either. If we go the route of letting them profit off their likeness, they’ll get whatever they get. Zero for some, maybe millions for others. That’s capitalism and fair. If they get paid by the schools, we’re probably talking about something like a grand per month. These schools aren’t going to be required to pay athletes hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe not even tens of thousands.

Based on reported football and basketball revenue and expenses, there are no less than 150 colleges that could swing the added expense. That includes paying athletes in sports that don’t make money.

It's not pure capitalism. Joe's Buick in Tuscaloosa will pay tens of thousands for recruit A, and may never even realize gain from the ads

 

[Brooky03]

It's not pure capitalism. Joe's Buick in Tuscaloosa will pay tens of thousands for recruit A, and may never even realize gain from the ads

What’s the argument? If Joe’s Buick in Tuscaloosa is willing to pay 10 G’s, Tom’s Ford in Norfolk, or Bill’s Chrysler in Des Moines will probably be willing to pay the same.

Whether or not they realize a profit is inconsequential.

 

[Cusefan95]

What’s the argument? If Joe’s Buick in Tuscaloosa is willing to pay 10 G’s, Tom’s Ford in Norfolk, or Bill’s Chrysler in Des Moines will probably be willing to pay the same.

Whether or not they realize a profit is inconsequential.

Professional leagues have a draft, so you can't go to a place (immediately) because you can make more money off the court. Paying athletes via likeness is either going to have significant restrictions attached, or is going to be wildly corrupt.

A business paying an athlete with no expectation of a return is no different than just handing a kid an envelope under the table; in some ways it's worse because you're going through the effort to create a veneer of legitimacy for what is in actuality a sham.

 

[Cusefan95]

Based on reported football and basketball revenue and expenses, there are no less than 150 colleges that could swing the added expense. That includes paying athletes in sports that don’t make money.

It'd be great if compensation was tied to revenue by sport, but we all know that's not how it will work if politicians dictate the process. I'm generally ok with revenue sport college athletes getting a bigger piece of the pie. I'm not ok with field hockey chicks making as much as football players because people with political clout feel that is "fair".

 

[Brooky03]

Professional leagues have a draft, so you can't go to a place (immediately) because you can make more money off the court. Paying athletes via likeness is either going to have significant restrictions attached, or is going to be wildly corrupt.

A business paying an athlete with no expectation of a return is no different than just handing a kid an envelope under the table; in some ways it's worse because you're going through the effort to create a veneer of legitimacy for what is in actuality a sham.

This assumes drafts are appropriate and necessary. There are valid arguments that professional leagues should not have drafts. It also assumes college athletics should be run like professional leagues if players are going to be paid. But that’s not necessarily the case.

In the current college basketball landscape, two teams are getting practically all of the top talent. When lesser schools break the rules to lure top athletes to their university just so they have a chance at competing, they get caught and punished, and relegated to mediocrity. In an environment that allows adult humans with a marketable skill set to seek top dollar for said skill set, the top teams will still get top athletes. That stays largely unchanged. Lesser teams might be able to have donors fork over more money to get some more top athletes who fall through the cracks, though. What’s more, they don’t get punished for it. The result? More parity and better competition, especially at the top.

 

[Cusefan95]

This assumes drafts are appropriate and necessary. There are valid arguments that professional leagues should not have drafts. It also assumes college athletics should be run like professional leagues if players are going to be paid. But that’s not necessarily the case.

In the current college basketball landscape, two teams are getting practically all of the top talent. When lesser schools break the rules to lure top athletes to their university just so they have a chance at competing, they get caught and punished, and relegated to mediocrity. In an environment that allows adult humans with a marketable skill set to seek top dollar for said skill set, the top teams will still get top athletes. That stays largely unchanged. Lesser teams might be able to have donors fork over more money to get some more top athletes who fall through the cracks, though. What’s more, they don’t get punished for it. The result? More parity and better competition, especially at the top.

The likelihood that paying athletes leads to more parity is a pipe dream. I get why you're support it now - if it comes to pass you are going to be incredibly disappointed in the actual result. There's a lot of potential outcomes based on the final system design - "more parity" is not one of them.

 

[Brooky03]

The likelihood that paying athletes leads to more parity is a pipe dream. I get why you're support it now - if it comes to pass you are going to be incredibly disappointed in the actual result. There's a lot of potential outcomes based on the final system design - "more parity" is not one of them.

I don’t see the argument for less parity

 

[tbonezone]

i'm against paying college athletes more than full ride scholarships. i could get behind losing the draft.
players no longer stick out careers at one place. go free market NBA and leave college sports alone.

 

[jncuse]

If football and basketball players have to support other athletes, when are we going to start splitting football coach salaries amongst all programs?

 

[Alsacs]

If football and basketball players have to support other athletes, when are we going to start splitting football coach salaries amongst all programs?

This bill isn’t going to pass.

The CA Bill is the one that should be the model.
Let kids make money off endorsements/likeness.
Giving kids a piece of profits will kill non revenue sports.

 

[jncuse]

This bill isn’t going to pass.

The CA Bill is the one that should be the model.
Let kids make money off endorsements/likeness.
Giving kids a piece of profits will kill non revenue sports.

Why don't they cap football or basketball coaching salaries at $1,000,000 to fund non-revenue sports?

Why is it always the players to benefit others?