NYT does Calipari

[RF2044]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calipari

I don't think you understand how those penalties were dispensed.

Calipari received zero sanctions / consequences. Zero. You misinterpreted what was conveyed in that link you provided as "evidence."

 

[RF2044]

Let's try:

e) interested in facts and not Homer/Hater BS.

I haven't seen anybody here effectively explain why Calipari shoud get the blame for Camby and Rose. Hell if JB were in that spot people here would be coming out of the woodwork to defend JB.

It is amazing the lengths Calipari apologists will go to to intentionally disregard the fact that he had major violations at two schools that led to final four appearances being vacated, and how he bailed both times to stay one half step ahead of the NCAA lynch mob.

It takes SERIOUS rationalization / denial / head in the sand to claim with a straight face that Cal had plausible deniability. Especially because it happened twice. At both his collegiate coaching stops. This isn't about a random infraction here or there that people are blowing out of proportion. We're talking about major infractions that crippled both programs he coached at prior to UK.

 

[weedsportwarriors]

BPO57 and two3 here is a link for you, go hang out there where you can feel at home and drink all the blue kool-aid you want.

http://www.aseaofblue.com/

 

[bpo57]

It is amazing the lengths Calipari apologists will go to to intentionally disregard the fact that he had major violations at two schools that led to final four appearances being vacated, and how he bailed both times to stay one half step ahead of the NCAA lynch mob.

It takes SERIOUS rationalization / denial / head in the sand to claim with a straight face that Cal had plausible deniability. Especially because it happened twice. At both his collegiate coaching stops. This isn't about a random infraction here or there that people are blowing out of proportion. We're talking about major infractions that crippled both programs he coached at prior to UK.

RF do me a big favor and detail these major infractions.

 

[bpo57]

BPO57 and two3 here is a link for you, go hang out there where you can feel at home and drink all the blue kool-aid you want.

http://www.aseaofblue.com/

Thanks, Weeds. I got my UK sweats and jersey on right now and I'm listening to "My Old Kentucky Home" while staring at a picture of Adolph Rupp.

 

[two3zone]

BPO57 and two3 here is a link for you, go hang out there where you can feel at home and drink all the blue kool-aid you want.

http://www.aseaofblue.com/

I may bleed Orange but I'm not blinded by it.

 

[RF2044]

RF do me a big favor and detail these major infractions.

Calipari's major infractions at the programs he coached prior to UK are a matter of public record--feel free to do your own research. And then factor in the timing of Calipari's narrow escapes to depart before the penalties set in, and get back to me.

His track record speaks for itself--both as a successful coach, and as an coach who was all too willing to flagrantly bend the rules. His plausible deniability charm rings hollow when both of his previous coaching stops got raked over the coals by the NCAA.

We had a similar situation to Rose / Bledsoe in Winfred Walton. That guy never suited up for SU, because our internal compliance and the NCAA red flagged him. Cal used both guys for full seasons. To say nothing of the large scale booster improprieties, amongst many other rules violations. No wonder he fled to the New Jersey Nets when he did--the NCAA lynch mob was about to hang him at UMass.

 

[bpo57]

Calipari's major infractions at the programs he coached are a matter of public record--feel free to do your own research. And then factor in the timing of Calipari's narrow escapes to depart before the penalties set in, and get back to me.

His track record speaks for itself--both as a successful coach, and as an coach who was all too willing to flagrantly bend the rules.

We had a similar situation to Rose / Bledsoe in Winfred Walton. That guy never suited up for SU, because our internal compliance and the NCAA red flagged him. Cal used both guys for full seasons. To say nothing of the large scale booster improprieties, amongst other things. No wonder he fled to the New Jersey Nets when he did--the NCAA lynch mob was about to hang him at UMass.

Nice dodge. I'll save you the time. Camby accepted $40 K from an agent and Rose was alleged to have had someone take the SAT for him. The Rose allegation came after the season was over. Rose's brother was also found to have accepted free travel worth $1,700. Importantly, Calipari was never mentioned by the NCAA in either case because they had no credible evidence he had any knowledge of either situation. Also, Memphis did not lose any scholarships or have any ban from postseason. Fled to New Jersey? LOL like a coach at a mid-major like UMass would turn down a high paying NBA job.

 

[two3zone]

Calipari's major infractions at the programs he coached prior to UK are a matter of public record--feel free to do your own research. And then factor in the timing of Calipari's narrow escapes to depart before the penalties set in, and get back to me.

His track record speaks for itself--both as a successful coach, and as an coach who was all too willing to flagrantly bend the rules.

We had a similar situation to Rose / Bledsoe in Winfred Walton. That guy never suited up for SU, because our internal compliance and the NCAA red flagged him. Cal used both guys for full seasons. To say nothing of the large scale booster improprieties, amongst many other rules violations. No wonder he fled to the New Jersey Nets when he did--the NCAA lynch mob was about to hang him at UMass.

5 years at 15 million dollars I'm sure had a little something to do with "fleeing". Most people would flee to that dough, hell, even JB probably would have fled a few years back for that cash.

 

[RF2044]

Nice dodge. I'll save you the time. Camby accepted $40 K from a street agent and Rose was alleged to have had someone take the SAT for him. The Rose allegation came after the season was over. Rose's brother was also found to have accepted free travel worth $1,700. Importantly, Calipari was never mentioned by the NCAA in either case because they had no credible evidence he had any knowledge of either situation. Also, Memphis did not lose any scholarships or have any ban from postseason. Fled to New Jersey? LOL like a coach at a mid-major like UMass would turn down a high paying NBA job.

Dodge? That's about 25% of the relevant details. Again, feel free to do some research instead of myopically focusing on only a fraction of what the NCAA came down on both UMass and Memphis for.

As stated above, this level of denial takes some serious rationalization, given Calipari's track record.

 

[bpo57]

5 years at 15 million dollars I'm sure had a little something to do with "fleeing". Most people would flee to that dough, hell, even JB probably would have fled a few years back for that cash.

The other bail was to leave Memphis for UK. gee that's a head scratcher.

 

[bpo57]

Dodge? That's about 25% of the relevant details. Again, feel free to do some research.

As stated above, this level of denial takes some serious rationalization, given Calipari's track record.

When you have some free time give me the other 75%.

 

[RF2044]

5 years at 15 million dollars I'm sure had a little something to do with "fleeing". Most people would flee to that dough, hell, even JB probably would have fled a few years back for that cash.

The other bail was to leave Memphis for UK. gee that's a head scratcher.

Yeah--you guys are right! He only left for those reasons. It had nothing to do with the fact that the NCAA scorched the earth at both of the institutions he fled scant moments before the NCAA came down on them.

Silly me.

But hey--plausible deniability.

 

[RF2044]

When you have some free time give me the other 75%.

Why bother? You clearly are comfortable ignoring the other 75% and conveniently burying your head in the sand.

I'm not really a UK "hater" on this forum. I don't like them--full disclosure, haven't since they beat us in 1988--and I certainly don't like Cal. I also think that the NCAA is completely hypocritical, and hardly standard of morality that they proclaim themselves to be. So I don't accept their dispositions as gospel, but it is pretty clear that some coaches go a lot further than bending the rules, and Cal is one of them. And when two of the three coaching stops on your resume both have massive violations that result in final four appearances being vacated, it takes serious blinders to absolve the coach who presided over both debacles.

 

[two3zone]

UK must be a dumb dumb school to give a cheater almost 60 million dollars over 7 years, I bet they can smell the sanctions coming. Do you think they're stupid enough to invest that kind of money into a coach they think is cheating or questionable at this point of his career?

Please, also tell me why UK would have to pay ANYBODY to play for them? If a kid or a parent asks for money they can tell them to go to hell and grab another top recruit, I doubt they risk what they have by paying players or doing things that are against NCAA rules. I have a feeling none of these Kentucky kids will be scoreboard operators at a YMCA. I doubt they risk petty crap like that because it is a very easy way to open some eyes, I doubt they want to open any.

 

[two3zone]

Yeah--you guys are right! He only left for those reasons. It had nothing to do with the fact that the NCAA scorched the earth at both of the institutions he fled scant moments before the NCAA came down on them.

Silly me.

But hey--plausible deniability.

Why didn't they "show cause" him? They can still do that even if he is going to the NBA. If he's even 25% as bad as everybody makes him out to be on here he would have been banned from all basketball for the rest of his life. Why does the NCAA nail his former teams and not him? You think he is just untouchable? If they wanted to nail him, don't you think the NCAA is sniffing around there?

 

[RF2044]

Why didn't they "show cause" him? They can still do that even if he is going to the NBA. If he's even 25% as bad as everybody makes him out to be on here he would have been banned from all basketball for the rest of his life. Why does the NCAA nail his former teams and not him? You think he is just untouchable? If they wanted to nail him, don't you think the NCAA is sniffing around there?

Because he bailed to the NBA, where they couldn't touch him. So instead, they devastated the school with massive penalties. Things were done differently then--I can't defend the NCAA. It is absurd that they impose brutal sanctions on a school but let the coach escape unscathed. But the pendulum has started to swing the other way in terms of them holding coaches accountable. If the same thing transpired at UMass today as what happend under Calipari's watch in the 90s, he wouldn't get off scot free like he did then.

BTW, I'm not faulting him for going to the NBA for the $$$. But I think it was just as much about avoiding the long arm of the law as it was the challenge or the money.

 

[two3zone]

Because he bailed to the NBA, where they couldn't touch him. So instead, they devastated the school with massive penalties. Things were done differently then--I can't defend the NCAA. It is absurd that they impose brutal sanctions on a school but let the coach escape unscathed. But the pendulum has started to swing the other way in terms of them holding coaches accountable. If the same thing transpired at UMass today as what happend under Calipari's watch in the 90s, he wouldn't get off scot free like he did then.

They could still suspend him from coaching even if he went to the NBA.

 

[Orangezoo]

What exactly drives you bpo and twothree to standup for calipari? You want infractions? Well i will not post .. for the 4th time.. the in person experience i had with a former cal recruit whose life he seriously messed up as it is far too time consuming. You can read through the archives for that one.

So when calipari finally bones it up and UK feels the pain it will be interesting to see your opinions. But it amazes me to see you two so staunchly support and defend a guy who makes a mockery of coaching at the collegiate level.

 

[bpo57]

Why bother? You clearly are comfortable ignoring the other 75% and conveniently burying your head in the sand.

I'm not really a UK "hater" on this forum. I don't like them--full disclosure, haven't since they beat us in 1988--and I certainly don't like Cal. I also think that the NCAA is completely hypocritical, and hardly standard of morality that they proclaim themselves to be. So I don't accept their dispositions as gospel, but it is pretty clear that some coaches go a lot further than bending the rules, and Cal is one of them. And when two of the three coaching stops on your resume both have massive violations that result in final four appearances being vacated, it takes serious blinders to absolve the coach who presided over both debacles.

I agree that the NCAA is very hypocritical. And Cal may bend every rule in the book for all I know or maybe he doesn't. I don't know. But I'm not ignoring any 75%. If you did any research on it you'd know that the Camby and Rose allegations are essentially the entire crux of the matter. And I know that if that were JB and not Cal then most folks here would be defending JB to the hilt (and I really wouldn't blame them). And you wouldn't be calling them apologists.

 

[pearl31]

Let's try:

e) interested in facts and not Homer/Hater BS.

I haven't seen anybody here effectively explain why Calipari shoud get the blame for Camby and Rose. Hell if JB were in that spot people here would be coming out of the woodwork to defend JB.

So we're gonna go ahead and say this fun "atmosphere of compliance" game the cartel is playing with JB doesn't apply to fellas like Cal, are we?
:rolling:

 

[two3zone]

What exactly drives you bpo and twothree to standup for calipari? You want infractions? Well i will not post .. for the 4th time.. the in person experience i had with a former cal recruit whose life he seriously messed up as it is far too time consuming. You can read through the archives for that one.

So when calipari finally bones it up and UK feels the pain it will be interesting to see your opinions. But it amazes me to see you two so staunchly support and defend a guy who makes a mockery of coaching at the collegiate level.

If he gets busted for cheating I'll say he cheated. Until then I'm not going to join with the pitchforks and burn someone at the stake when there is no proof. If Cal was JB he'd be getting raped here, and if JB was Cal he'd be defended to the death.

 

[bpo57]

Yeah--you guys are right! He only left for those reasons. It had nothing to do with the fact that the NCAA scorched the earth at both of the institutions he fled scant moments before the NCAA came down on them.

Silly me.

But hey--plausible deniability.

Scorched the earth? lol neither UMass nor Memphis lost any scholarships or had any postseason bans.

 

[Orangezoo]

If he gets busted for cheating I'll say he cheated. Until then I'm not going to join with the pitchforks and burn someone at the stake when there is no proof. If Cal was JB he'd be getting raped here, and if JB was Cal he'd be defended to the death.

I disagree.. completely. Cal has been a flash in the pan from a tenure standpoint vs JB. If Cal had been the foundation of the UK program for the last 40 years it would be a much different convo. And at the heart of the issue is cal has yet to get caught. That has been at the epicenter of his career is his ability to leave at the right time and cover his tracks.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don't think you understand how those penalties were dispensed.

Calipari received zero sanctions / consequences. Zero. You misinterpreted what was conveyed in that link you provided as "evidence."

The final fours are vacated. Whether by the schools or by JC himself is a matter of semantics. He carries those asterisks on his record.