Offense - This Year's Scheme

[stumpy78]

I must be a wack job, but I loved the offensive scheme Lester used this year. We played two young and inexperienced quarterbacks. We put points up on everyone. We had a nice balance of run and pass. I think the offensive line was over-matched in most of the games. Our wide receivers , beside Steve, were pitiful at catching, route running and making plays. The running backs and express backs were talented, and for the most part fun and exciting to watch in the scheme. If we had a higher end tight end, we would have really rocked. All this talk about offensive minded head coach is not going to mean anything if the talent on the offensive line, wide receivers and tight ends doesn't improve. I think the young guys for the oline are there, but skill positions are lacking in my view.

 

[Crusty]

I must be a wack job, but I loved the offensive scheme Lester used this year. We played two young and inexperienced quarterbacks. We put points up on everyone. We had a nice balance of run and pass. I think the offensive line was over-matched in most of the games. Our wide receivers , beside Steve, were pitiful at catching, route running and making plays. The running backs and express backs were talented, and for the most part fun and exciting to watch in the scheme. If we had a higher end tight end, we would have really rocked. All this talk about offensive minded head coach is not going to mean anything if the talent on the offensive line, wide receivers and tight ends doesn't improve. I think the young guys for the oline are there, but skill positions are lacking in my view.

When you adjust for defensive scores and overtimes scores, we averaged 23 point er game. On virtually every metric we were poor to terrible. As I have pointed out many times, we were actually worse than the McDonald offense.

If you liked it that's great - to each his own = but the facts are what they are.

 

[PAcuse]

I liked the offense, thought it was interesting. The results where terrible so time to move on.

 

[Millhouse]

I must be a wack job, but I loved the offensive scheme Lester used this year. We played two young and inexperienced quarterbacks. We put points up on everyone. We had a nice balance of run and pass. I think the offensive line was over-matched in most of the games. Our wide receivers , beside Steve, were pitiful at catching, route running and making plays. The running backs and express backs were talented, and for the most part fun and exciting to watch in the scheme. If we had a higher end tight end, we would have really rocked. All this talk about offensive minded head coach is not going to mean anything if the talent on the offensive line, wide receivers and tight ends doesn't improve. I think the young guys for the oline are there, but skill positions are lacking in my view.

opinions of lester's offense hinge on whether you blame talent for the inconsistency of the hybrid position or whether you think inconsistency is a natural consequence of having college guys trying to learn to many different things in limited practice time

when dungey was in one piece, they didn't throw enough.

they did a pretty good job making chicken salad when Mahoney was in there by finishing their rare drives but it's not something that matters much to me because you're cooked no matter what with guys that are that inaccurate.

 

[All4SU]

I loved the system. Always seemed like Lester had a play call that was part of a strategy, and forced defenses to react. As opposed to 2014 when we seemed to be just pulling plays out of a fishing hat. When Hunt went down, Lester made adjustments allowing Dungey to be successful. When Dungey went out, ditto for Mahoney. I believe we could have had a very good offense going forward.

 

[CousCuse]

I loved the system. Always seemed like Lester had a play call that was part of a strategy, and forced defenses to react. As opposed to 2014 when we seemed to be just pulling plays out of a fishing hat. When Hunt went down, Lester made adjustments allowing Dungey to be successful. When Dungey went out, ditto for Mahoney. I believe we could have had a very good offense going forward.

Lots of big plays for the 1st year and I can think of at least 5 balls dropped for TD's.

 

[OrangePA]

When you adjust for defensive scores and overtimes scores, we averaged 23 point er game. On virtually every metric we were poor to terrible. As I have pointed out many times, we were actually worse than the McDonald offense.

If you liked it that's great - to each his own = but the facts are what they are.

I disagree completely.

Lester did a very good job and developed a very good scheme.

The metrics mean very little when mere observation reveals an offense that was clever and far superior to anything that MacDonald presented.

 

[Crusty]

I disagree completely.

Lester did a very good job and developed a very good scheme.

The metrics mean very little when mere observation reveals an offense that was clever and far superior to anything that MacDonald presented.

Well then we shall just agree to disagree.

 

[Millhouse]

I disagree completely.

Lester did a very good job and developed a very good scheme.

The metrics mean very little when mere observation reveals an offense that was clever and far superior to anything that MacDonald presented.

being far superior than mcf***it and being good are not the same thing

 

[RF2044]

Hard to say, behind such a generally subpar OL.

We didn't throw enough. And it would have been interesting to see how a more experienced Dungey / Fredericks would perform in this offense, instead of being true frosh having to drink out of a firehose.

I'm inclined to think it would have worked [provided the young OL coming up are better than the incumbents], but we'll never know. We need several more WRs like Ishamel / Estime, and a better group of TEs. Not nearly dynamic enough at receiver.

 

[OrangePA]

being far superior than mcf***it and being good are not the same thing

In this case I believe they are.

The scheme is an excellent one that caused our opponents problems.

Had Dungey remained healthy and had the defense been able to get off the field to a reasonable extent, I have little doubt that the offense would have been far more productive.

Lester did a fine job this year - he took a kid who was four weeks from living at home with mom and dad in Oregon and made him into a QB the likes of which we really have not seen since McNabb.

And he did an admirable job with a walk-on sophomore QB when Dungey couldn't play.

I would have no problem with the next HC deciding to keep Tim and his system.