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Okay, so we had a small discussion this morning on the offers that our recruits have and what their other options were. My argument is that the offers as well as the competition for recruits has increased significantly during the past however many years. ( 7 years for the purpose of this exercise) So, in an effort to try and prove this point with the data that I have available I've done the following breakdown.
Using Scout's offer lists, which I know has been criticized over accuracy in the past, I've listed the commits and offers for the three past Head Coaches at Syracuse University. I took each coach's, Greg Robinson, Doug Marrone and Scott Schaffer, 2nd class so that we use a full recruiting cycle for data. I broke them down into categories of total offers and offers to p5+ teams (which consists of the current p5 + former Big East Members - Temple), which seemed like the most fair way to total them.
Now, because each class size was different, I broke it down to offers per player and P5+ offers per player.
Note, I used players signed to those classes whether they ever made it to campus or not.
This is strictly for fun and to drum up conversation. Onto the data:
Greg Robinson’s 2nd Class - 2006
Lou Falzone –
Larry Norton –
Andrey Baskin – Iowa, Mich, Nebraska, N.C. St., Ohio State, Tennessee
Derrell Smith –
Jermaine Pierce – Pitt
Tucker Baumbach – Maryland
Dan Sheeran – Kentucky, UCF, Vandy, Wisc
Parker Cantey – Iowa Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia, Wisc
Taj Smith –
Ian Hammond –
Nico Scott – BC, Cinci, Kent State, Oregon State, Rutgers
Jim McKenzie – Colorado, Kentucky, Rutgers, WV
Ryan Bartholomew –
Jonathan Meldrum –
Delone Carter – Akron, Bowling Green, Kent State, Kentucky, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Anthony Perkins –
Adam Rosner – Buffalo
Matt Reid – Akron, Kent State, Rutgers
Jared Kimmel –
Andrew Robinson – Wisconsin
Kerek Hrinya –
Mike Williams – Buff, Pitt, Temple, Wisc
22 Players – 41 total offers / P5 (+ Big East – Temple) 31
1.86 offers other than Cuse per player / 1.41 offers per player P5+
Doug Marrone 2nd Class – 2010
Jason Bromley –
Jarrod West – Cinn, Maryland, Missouri, Northwester, Pitt, Stanford, Vandy
Deon Goggins – Baylor, San Jose St., Utah State, Wash st.
Malcolm Cater – Rutgers
Charlie Copa –
Micah Robinson – Akron, Bowling Green, Cinn, Kansas, Louisville, Marshall, Pitt, Toledo, W. Mich
Sean Hickey – BC, Illinois
Keon Lyn – E. Mich, Marshall, Miami (Oh), N. Ill., USF, Utah State
Lou Alexander – Oregon, UCLA
Olando Fisher –
Beckett Wales – Duke, Fla. Atl., Indiana, Iowa, Towson
Michael Hay – Arizona St.
PTG – Akron, Ball St. C. Mich, Kansas, Ohio, Toledo
Jeremi Wilkes – Fla. St., Georgia Southern, Louisville, Rutgers, Troy
Marquis Spruill – James Madison, Temple
Max Beaulieu – Arkansas, Nebraska, Purdue, South Carolina, Tennesee, Wake Forest, Wisc
Lewellyn Coker –
Brice Hawkes –
Dyshawn Davis –
Adrian Flemming – Delaware, Marshall, Ohio, Old Dominion, Temple
Jerome Smith – Wisc
Robert Welsh – Hofstra, New Hampshire
Jeremiah Kobena –
Johnny Miller – Fla. Int., Illinois, Indiana, New Mexico St., Wisc
Steve Rene – Hofstra, Stony Brook
Ross Krautman – Miami (Oh)
Dom Timbers – E. Mich., Toledo
Mario Tull –
Macky McPherson –
John Kinder –
Myles Davis –
31 players – 77 total offers / p5+ 38
2.48 per player / 1.23 P5+
SS 2nd Class 2014
Alin Edouard – Arizona, BC, Cinn, Fla. Int., Lafayette, Miami (Fl) Miss, Nebraska, Penn State, USF, Tennessee
Aaron Roberts – Ball St., E. Ill, Illinois, Indiana St., New Mexico, N.D. State, USF, Southern Ill
Jamal Custis – Uconn, Umass, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, UCF, Virginia
Wayne Williams – Temple, Texas A&M
Ervin Phillips – Temple
Lamar Dawson – Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Cinn, E. Mich., Mich St., N. Ill, Ohio, Toledo, W. MIch
KJ Williams – Uconn, Michigan, Missouri, Pitt, Rutgers, UCLA, Vandy, Wiscy
Parris Bennett – Akron, Ball St., Bowling Green, Buff, C. Mich., E. Mich., Ohio, Pitt, Toledo, W. Mich
Rodney Williams – Temple
Corey Cooper – Uconn, E. Carolina, Illinois, Iowa St., Kentucky, Louisville, Maryland, Miami (Fl), Minnesota, NC St., UNC, Ok St., Pitt., S. Carolina, Tennessee, Tulsa, Wake Forest
Colton Moskal – C. Mich, Cinn, E. Mich, Minnesota, N. Ill, Toledo, W. Mich. Yale
Zaire Franklin – Arizona, BC, Uconn, James Madison, Umass, Navy, Pitt, Temple, Tulane, ‘Nova
AJ Long – App. St., Arizona, Umass, Ohio, Southern Miss, Temple, UCLA
Naes Howard - Buff
14 total players – 100 total offers / P5+ 52
7.14 offers per player / p5+ 3.71
Breakdown:
Greg Robinson: 1.86 offers per player / 1.41 offers per player P5+ (2006)
Doug Marrone: 2.48 per player / 1.23 P5+ (2010)
SS: 7.14 offers per player / p5+ 3.71 (2014)
Using Scout's offer lists, which I know has been criticized over accuracy in the past, I've listed the commits and offers for the three past Head Coaches at Syracuse University. I took each coach's, Greg Robinson, Doug Marrone and Scott Schaffer, 2nd class so that we use a full recruiting cycle for data. I broke them down into categories of total offers and offers to p5+ teams (which consists of the current p5 + former Big East Members - Temple), which seemed like the most fair way to total them.
Now, because each class size was different, I broke it down to offers per player and P5+ offers per player.
Note, I used players signed to those classes whether they ever made it to campus or not.
This is strictly for fun and to drum up conversation. Onto the data:
Greg Robinson’s 2nd Class - 2006
Lou Falzone –
Larry Norton –
Andrey Baskin – Iowa, Mich, Nebraska, N.C. St., Ohio State, Tennessee
Derrell Smith –
Jermaine Pierce – Pitt
Tucker Baumbach – Maryland
Dan Sheeran – Kentucky, UCF, Vandy, Wisc
Parker Cantey – Iowa Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia, Wisc
Taj Smith –
Ian Hammond –
Nico Scott – BC, Cinci, Kent State, Oregon State, Rutgers
Jim McKenzie – Colorado, Kentucky, Rutgers, WV
Ryan Bartholomew –
Jonathan Meldrum –
Delone Carter – Akron, Bowling Green, Kent State, Kentucky, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Anthony Perkins –
Adam Rosner – Buffalo
Matt Reid – Akron, Kent State, Rutgers
Jared Kimmel –
Andrew Robinson – Wisconsin
Kerek Hrinya –
Mike Williams – Buff, Pitt, Temple, Wisc
22 Players – 41 total offers / P5 (+ Big East – Temple) 31
1.86 offers other than Cuse per player / 1.41 offers per player P5+
Doug Marrone 2nd Class – 2010
Jason Bromley –
Jarrod West – Cinn, Maryland, Missouri, Northwester, Pitt, Stanford, Vandy
Deon Goggins – Baylor, San Jose St., Utah State, Wash st.
Malcolm Cater – Rutgers
Charlie Copa –
Micah Robinson – Akron, Bowling Green, Cinn, Kansas, Louisville, Marshall, Pitt, Toledo, W. Mich
Sean Hickey – BC, Illinois
Keon Lyn – E. Mich, Marshall, Miami (Oh), N. Ill., USF, Utah State
Lou Alexander – Oregon, UCLA
Olando Fisher –
Beckett Wales – Duke, Fla. Atl., Indiana, Iowa, Towson
Michael Hay – Arizona St.
PTG – Akron, Ball St. C. Mich, Kansas, Ohio, Toledo
Jeremi Wilkes – Fla. St., Georgia Southern, Louisville, Rutgers, Troy
Marquis Spruill – James Madison, Temple
Max Beaulieu – Arkansas, Nebraska, Purdue, South Carolina, Tennesee, Wake Forest, Wisc
Lewellyn Coker –
Brice Hawkes –
Dyshawn Davis –
Adrian Flemming – Delaware, Marshall, Ohio, Old Dominion, Temple
Jerome Smith – Wisc
Robert Welsh – Hofstra, New Hampshire
Jeremiah Kobena –
Johnny Miller – Fla. Int., Illinois, Indiana, New Mexico St., Wisc
Steve Rene – Hofstra, Stony Brook
Ross Krautman – Miami (Oh)
Dom Timbers – E. Mich., Toledo
Mario Tull –
Macky McPherson –
John Kinder –
Myles Davis –
31 players – 77 total offers / p5+ 38
2.48 per player / 1.23 P5+
SS 2nd Class 2014
Alin Edouard – Arizona, BC, Cinn, Fla. Int., Lafayette, Miami (Fl) Miss, Nebraska, Penn State, USF, Tennessee
Aaron Roberts – Ball St., E. Ill, Illinois, Indiana St., New Mexico, N.D. State, USF, Southern Ill
Jamal Custis – Uconn, Umass, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, UCF, Virginia
Wayne Williams – Temple, Texas A&M
Ervin Phillips – Temple
Lamar Dawson – Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Cinn, E. Mich., Mich St., N. Ill, Ohio, Toledo, W. MIch
KJ Williams – Uconn, Michigan, Missouri, Pitt, Rutgers, UCLA, Vandy, Wiscy
Parris Bennett – Akron, Ball St., Bowling Green, Buff, C. Mich., E. Mich., Ohio, Pitt, Toledo, W. Mich
Rodney Williams – Temple
Corey Cooper – Uconn, E. Carolina, Illinois, Iowa St., Kentucky, Louisville, Maryland, Miami (Fl), Minnesota, NC St., UNC, Ok St., Pitt., S. Carolina, Tennessee, Tulsa, Wake Forest
Colton Moskal – C. Mich, Cinn, E. Mich, Minnesota, N. Ill, Toledo, W. Mich. Yale
Zaire Franklin – Arizona, BC, Uconn, James Madison, Umass, Navy, Pitt, Temple, Tulane, ‘Nova
AJ Long – App. St., Arizona, Umass, Ohio, Southern Miss, Temple, UCLA
Naes Howard - Buff
14 total players – 100 total offers / P5+ 52
7.14 offers per player / p5+ 3.71
Breakdown:
Greg Robinson: 1.86 offers per player / 1.41 offers per player P5+ (2006)
Doug Marrone: 2.48 per player / 1.23 P5+ (2010)
SS: 7.14 offers per player / p5+ 3.71 (2014)
